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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 5 17:15:31 EDT 2001
  
  I got your point long before....
  
  well there is something called "the truth is out there"... the "out there" is here :-)
  
  this place is an accumulation of all allegations and i/p's regarding copying or inspired songs...the validity of the allegation is for other DF'ers to discuss and analyze..
  
  cant excempt any MD from this DF ...
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Oct 5 17:22:11 EDT 2001
  
  i was listening to the song
  
  "nadodi..poga vendum ododi..adicha kudumi saracha mottai" from Anbe vaaa
  
  it looks similar to "madi mela madi katti....viswanathan velai vendum" in kathalikka "no time"
  
  any comments
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68) on: Sat Oct 6 16:35:13 EDT 2001
  
  Has anyone mentioned this before ?
  
  Was listening to a friend's MP3 collection - it had a song "Mummer's Dance", I think by Loreena McKennit. The guitar fill-in from the "Paarthaale Paruvasame title song...seems to be inspired from the guitar bit in the Mummers Dance. Both the songs are poles apart otherwise. Could someone clarify ?
  
  
• From: fan (@ 213.122.90.236) on: Sat Oct 6 17:33:10 EDT 2001
  
  The song vinothamaanavane by Deva in lovely...
  second verse first line is kannil varum kaatch ellam line from varaaga nathi karai oram and further on comes the line from enthan nenjil neengaatha
  
  
• From: fan (@ 213.122.90.236) on: Sat Oct 6 17:34:20 EDT 2001
  
  o mama mama(minnale) = columbus(jeans)
  venmadhi ('""") = evano oruvan(alaipayuthey)
  mudhal kanave(majnu) = sowkiyama(sangamam)
  gulmohar malar(majnu)= pachai niram(alai)
  mercury ragam(majnu) = hum rahi jab(pukar)
  poopol poopol(minnale)= taal se taal(taal)
  western
  punnagai poove(12B) =Aayirathil naan(iruvar)
  jodhi neranjava(12B) =ottagatha katti(gentman)
  mutham mutham (12B)= muthamma(super police)
  
  i had more copied versions of harris jeyaraj from rehmans previous tunes,which i'll be giving later.hope we have heard all this before and we don't need a harris jeyaraj to remake them again. there are others to do it. i hope we are not deaf anyway. it is sad to hear there is someone to say this fellow is starting to rule tamil film music.
  this is not in support for any other music directors or because of any envy on harris jeyaraj. this is true he has re-written the lyrics for the previous rehman tunes. if he would have been under anyone else,he might have surely reflected them as well.i want anyone to take this as a positive comment,and encourage him in giving really new good numbers.
  we are always ready to welcome new sincere guys,like yuvan and karthickraja who are working hard to give better music.let jeyaraj learn from them first than to blindly compare himself unnecessarily with Rehman as papers say nowadays
  
  
• From: .. (@ 24.4.253.20) on: Sat Oct 6 21:52:11 EDT 2001
  
  o mama mama(minnale) a direct lift from
  Fur Elise by Beethoven.
  
  
  
  
• From: swati_ramani (@ 210.214.242.28) on: Sun Oct 7 03:10:55 EDT 2001
  
  Love Pannu (12 B) - Kikku Yeruthae (Padayappa)
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Sun Oct 7 05:00:58 EDT 2001
  
  ir has himself accepted that he was inspired by msv, sdb and many other western musicians. he is not alone.
  
  every artist will be inspired by some good work and he will try to improvise it. that is the part of creativity.
  
  but, if an artist turns EVERY TIME to some other's creation for his own, then that is a serious problem.
  
  msv and ir are fortunately not like that.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Sun Oct 7 06:13:15 EDT 2001
  
  Do anyone remember, "Chim Chimny" song from Mary Poppins?
  
  Boom Boom Boom Maatukaaran song resembles the above mentioned.
  
  
• From: Travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Sun Oct 7 06:48:58 EDT 2001
  
  There was a prabhu movie recently and a tune he was singing seems to be directly lifted from Man Ke Manjeere of Shubha Mudgal. Should be one of those deva movies I think...
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Sun Oct 7 23:52:52 EDT 2001
  
  Cosmician:
  
  I dont see any similarity between the PP title guitar fill and Loreena's Mummer's Dance. You can download Mummer's Dance from here...
  
  http://www.sevgilim.com/mp3/themummer.mp3
  
  The instruments used in both for the fill are exactly same and thats why the doubt. Tune wise they have nothing in common, more so, Mummer's Dance's guitar fill is way too short.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Mon Oct 8 09:11:26 EDT 2001
  
  >>>There was a prabhu movie recently and a tune he was singing seems to be directly lifted from Man Ke Manjeere of Shubha Mudgal. Should be one of those deva movies I think...
  
  That film is Super Kudumbam. It has also an other copied song. The "Selai nazhuviyadeno" song is a note by note copy of Phalguni patak's "meri chunari ud ud jaye"
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Mon Oct 8 10:53:13 EDT 2001
  
  not exactly a TFM song but nevertheless quite popular..the song "tu mile dil khile" from criminal tuned by Maragathmani..the prelude is a straight lift.. (from some Enigma song?) I saw the tune being played in the BGM of a movie called "Sliver" ..does anyone know the song name here? its probably before 1993..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Mon Oct 8 10:55:26 EDT 2001
  
  also the prelude for the first few seconds in the song "Vaa sakhi " from Aarasiyal is a straight lift from "Return to innocence" by Enigma..there are different versions for this song, but in the extended version, right in the middle of the song, you can hear this piece..however the length is so short(6-8 secs) I wonder why VS wanted to flick it at all..
  
  
• From: Leo (@ 200.31.63.245) on: Mon Oct 8 13:35:12 EDT 2001
  
  ORIGINAL SONG: ARIYA PARUVAMADA MANA AMBAIYE
  VEESATHEDA MADHANA ARIAYA
  PARUVMADA .
  
  FILM:MISSIAMMA
  M.D.:S.RAJESWARA RAO
  
  NEW SONG: KANNAMUCHI YENADA EN KANNA
  FILM:KANDUKONDAEN KANDU...
  M.D.:A.R.REHMAN
  
  REHMAN POLISHEDLY COPIED THE ABOVE SONG.
  
  
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Tue Oct 9 02:23:48 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks for the clarification Karthik, I've to admit..I had listened to PP long back and the guitar in Mummers Dance..just jogged my memory..I didn't bother to relisten to PP...
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Tue Oct 9 07:39:36 EDT 2001
  
  Leo:
  
  Intelligent you are...is n't it? The Kanna Moochci song is primarily based on naatta kurunji raagam. When, KKKK song was released this song was highly praised by many for the blend of this raaga and there was an article in some magazine about it. If you are talking about the raagam similarity then you have totally misfired it.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Oct 9 10:27:30 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  
  after the song gets over mamooty asks aishu as to why she changed the raagam from "X" raagam to sahaana in the middle of the song...
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Wed Oct 10 07:22:34 EDT 2001
  
  That X is natta kurinji (I think). I am just a lay man in carnatic. All kelvi gnyanam.
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90) on: Wed Oct 10 16:46:07 EDT 2001
  
  Here are some latest "inspirations" by ARR and YSR.
  http://www.geocities.com/isaikallan/
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.244) on: Wed Oct 10 17:27:29 EDT 2001
  
  Now, more people know there is a song called "Padakottum Pattama" in Chinnavar by IR.
  ARR should be thanked for that.:)Just kidding!
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.34) on: Wed Oct 10 17:28:20 EDT 2001
  
  Peter Pan,
  great...Hope u come up with some more LATEST tamil songs which r suruttals.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.156.137) on: Wed Oct 10 20:16:01 EDT 2001
  
  PP great work man
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.126.12) on: Thu Oct 11 05:20:41 EDT 2001
  
  >>http://www.geocities.com/isaikallan/ <<
  
  Who is this Master Venu ? He is good...arrangements and instrumentation in this song are good !
  
  Song Name: Aagaaya Veediyil
  Film Name: Manjal Mahimai
  Music Director: Master Venu
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.126.12) on: Thu Oct 11 05:24:25 EDT 2001
  
  Trend
  
  I feel that ARR takes Tamil folk tunes for certain Hindi songs for a bit of novelty....remember in Rangeela , the "Yaaron Sun Lo Zara" number...it is actually a map of "Yen Soga Kadhaiya Kelu Thaikulame"...maybe Padakotu Pattamma is based on a standard folk tune...could someone clarify ?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Thu Oct 11 08:13:22 EDT 2001
  
  Cosmician:
  >>>maybe Padakotu Pattamma is based on a standard folk tune...could someone clarify ?
  What you say is true?
  Infact, I mentioned about Rajashthani folk song some time before. Also, now I made a huge posting explaining this. It did not upload for some reason. I don't have time and patience.
  But, beleive me, IR also should have used similar such folk tune for that Chinnavar song.
  
  All IMHO.
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.40.182) on: Thu Oct 11 10:32:08 EDT 2001
  
  come on now that the chinnavar song was clearly lifted by ARR.
  
  Master Venu, is an old Telugu MD. I don't think you can find his works on the net. Try www.sailu.com, in the old songs section
  
  Jag
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Oct 11 11:20:02 EDT 2001
  
  Common Friend..agAya veedhiyil pattu kEtkathavangellAm villupuram pakkam thalai kAtta koodathu :) (I am from that town).
  Anyways, I think there might be some standard folk tunes like what cosmician says. I dont think ARR ever does anything like IR (atleast consciously :)). I know he lifts sandhams from old songs and rhythm arrangements from western pop songs but a tune from IR..hmmm..not so sure.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Oct 11 11:20:45 EDT 2001
  
  seriously that "chinnavar song" is not a good song at all...for ARR to lift and put it in nayak (the saiyyan song also is average)... if it was "andhiyile vaanam" then i grant there is a probability...but this "padakotta... " ..nah!
  
  i wud be surprised if ARR or most of the tfm world knew abt this chinnavar song....
  
  it will be interesting to know what theory ARR adapted in composing "sayyan" and what IR adopted in composing "padokattam..."
  
  maybe we cud find some commonality in both approaches that led to both songs sounding the same (in the initial phases).. i guess thats the correct way for a true inquisitive researcher..
  
  the other can simply think i am an ARR fan and so am siding for him... its more convenient for u to be smug and satisfied with such a trivial explanation... bcoz otherwise it might be too hard for the brain...i wudnt care less.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.248) on: Thu Oct 11 11:25:23 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  
  "the "Yaaron Sun Lo Zara" number...it is actually a map of "Yen Soga Kadhaiya Kelu Thaikulame". "
  
  That's interesting.I will listen to both the songs and see if I can find the similarity.It's been quite a while since I listened to the latter song.
  Do you mean the "pallavi" ?
  
  

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