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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 5: Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Mon Aug 3 20:53:03 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but
a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal for this thread. Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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Responses:

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• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Wed Aug 5 18:17:14 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya, Bharat: It is Shankar who wrote pettai rap.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Aug 5 19:35:48 EDT 1998
  
  Song:aaLaanaalum aaLu; Film: Paalaivanachchoalai
  In this song a character teases a friend's sister who is about to be married. The tongue-in-cheek humor VM employs here suits the theme.
  
  aaLaanaalum aaLu
  iva azhuththamaana aaLu
  michcha vevaram venumunna
  machchaanaip poyee kaeLu kaeLu
  . . .
  maalaisoodum thaedhi enni
  paththu viralum theyum
  iva izhuththu vidum peru moochchil
  eerachchaelai kaayum
  . . .
  mudhamudhalaa paakkumboathu
  achchamaaga irukkum
  aana vidinja piragu
  vilakkil ennai
  michchamaaga irukkum
  . . .
  ulla poadi vellaththaayi
  innum enna paechchu
  varum vellikelamai kalyaanam
  veththalai maaththiyaachchu
  
  
  Song: first line not known; Film: Mann Vaasanai
  The following is a folk song where the man and woman pay two folk singers to derail each other.
  
  vikkirathu alva
  vikkaatti azhuva
  suppayee magalae
  en kuruvamma
  . . .
  pathaang classu benchilae
  varushamella kallikiriyae
  paasupanna manasu valliyaa
  . . .
  katti vechcha
  sowri mudi
  kanni ponna paarungadi
  unna vandhu kattugira
  paavi evandi
  . . .
  mochakkottai pal azhagum
  muttai muttai kan azhagum
  kai azhagum kaal azhagum
  enna piravi
  
  
  While this fight is going on, the folk singers have collected enough change in their towels that they sing the following:
  
  ada ennatha naan paaduvaen
  enna thaalam poaduvaen
  enakkaethum puriyalaiyae
  ini ishtaththukku rendu paerum
  saendhukanum edhukku vambu
  thuttu saendhu poachchudhu
  thondai katti poachchudhu
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Aug 6 12:10:34 EDT 1998
  
  One more KaNNadhasan's classic...
  
  The song
  kaNmani, en kadhali....
  from the film Chittukuruvi.
  
  Indha pattulu oru visEsham uNdu...
  paattula irukkira Orrai padai (1,3,5,7,9...) varigaLai pottaal oru pattu varum irrattai (2,4,6,8...) varigaLai pottaal innoru pattu varum.. (Pattu N-aduvaula vara "Thenampetai super market errangu..." pondra vasanagaLai thavirthu).
  
  Another N-agaichchuvai song from Theiva Magan...
  kadhal malar kootam ondru veethi vazhi pogum endru yaarO sonnaar...
  
  From N-inaithalE innikkum...
  N-amma ooru singari singaporu vandhaaLam
  pottu vechchu poo mudichchu N-innaaLam...
  
  and
  
  inimai N-iraindha ulagam irukku idhilE inimEl kavalai edharkku Joly bird.....
  oruthi BAvaam oruthi MAvaam irundhu serthaakka aduthava BAMAvaam....
  oru vettu iLam mottu mUNukkum N-aalaraik kaNNunga..
  
  
  mElum varum...
  
  Ennapa idhu indha part-kku yaraiyum kaaNOm????
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Thu Aug 6 14:08:08 EDT 1998
  
  Oops, sorry 'bout pEttai rap. That's why I should not butt into lyric-based threads :-(.
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Thu Aug 6 14:51:03 EDT 1998
  
  Raman
  varavu ettaNa.. is indeed by kaviyarasar.
  
  Udhaya
  
  maNvAsanaip pAdalin muthal vari:
  arisi kuththum akkA magaLE..
  
  Prakash
  
  en kaNmaNi..un kAthali.. is by panju aruNAchalam.
  
  The following kaNNadAsan's songs can be added into the list:
  
  vAzhaith thaNdu pOla udambu alEk..
  nAn vAriyaNaichchA thadukkuRiyE nEE alEk..
  
  (A duet by ALR/LRE. Film : ??)
  
  pOOnthamalliyilE oru
  poNNu pinnAlE..nAn
  pOyi vanthENdi..ava
  podavai nallAllE..
  
  manthaveLiyilE..oru
  manushan munnAlE..nAn
  nadanthu vanthEnyA..avan
  mOOnji nallAllE.. papparap pappA..
  
  (from karunthEL kaNNAyiram, I think)
  
  Another funny song from bommalAttam:
  
  vA vAththiyArE vOOttANdE..
  nEE varAngAtti nAn vudamAttEn..
  jAmbazAr jakku..nAn saithApEttai kokku..
  
  Another song (I have my own doubt, if its by vAli. Bones, any info?) that I can think of is:
  
  adi sarithAn pOdi vAyAdi
  saNdaikku nEEthAn sari jOdi..
  ada sarithAn pOyya sidumOOnji..
  sirichchA pOthum azhumOOnji..
  
  (a duet from pOOvA thalaiyA)
  
  Udhaya has already mentioned VM's pAlaivanach chOlai song. Another VM song with his kuRumbugaL is:
  
  kaththirikkA..kaththirikkA..
  guNdu kaththikkA..
  entha kadaiyilE..nEE arisi vAnguRE..
  :
  :
  nEE oththaiyilE pOnAkkOda
  OOrvalamthAn pOguthunnu..
  
  more later.
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Aug 6 16:09:54 EDT 1998
  
  Pagalavan,
  Are you sure about Chittukuruvi song... Some time back in India Direct and in RCS/RTM they mentioned it was by KaNNadhasn.
  
  I think Pomalaattam song is by Vaali. Please some one confirm this..
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-78.intrex.net) on: Fri Aug 7 10:27:22 EDT 1998
  
  this song sung by TL
  i dont know who wrote this one.....
  may be kannadasan. illayel mannikavum
  
  "muthukutti naathana silaraya maathinaa
  kunakudi pogum vazhiyil kudumbam poora ethina"
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-78.intrex.net) on: Fri Aug 7 10:43:13 EDT 1998
  
  Ivan the song
  "kaathalikka neramillai kaathalippar yarumillai"
  has a very good humour in it.
  ofr eg the line
  "avvulagam sendru vanthen amudham kudithu vandhen
  pooulagam povatharkku puthu udal vaangi vanthen
  Indhiranai kandu vanthen ithu pathi kettu vanthen".
  finally the line changes to kaathlikka neramundu kanni undu kaalai undu".
  
  a nice imagination
  (sci-fi in TFM lyrics??)
  
  
• From: muthax (@ client209-42-213-78.intrex.net) on: Fri Aug 7 10:59:54 EDT 1998
  
  i did not understand the 1,3,5,7 and 2,4,6,8 funda in the en kanmani en kathali song from chittukuruvi.
  though i have the lyrics can u explain it?
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishna (@ gate6.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Aug 7 13:08:55 EDT 1998
  
  Muthax,
  Do you have the songs in the paper? Then no problem, You can easily understand.
  
  Another way you can understand...
  
  Song goes like this...
  
  1.en kaNmani
  2.en kathali
  3.enai parthathum
  4.orayiram kadhai solkiraL...
  
  1 & 3 forms en kaNmani, enai parthathum ....
  
  2& 4 forms en kathali oraryiram kadhai solkiraL....
  
  Now you listen the song again you can understand what I am telling.
  
  I am not having the lyrics with me. If I heard the song again then I can explain better.
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate2.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Aug 7 13:16:59 EDT 1998
  
  
  Few more KaNNadhsan songs...
  
  muththu kuLikka vaarigaaLa?
  muththai edukka vaarigaaLa??.... &
  anubavi raaja anubavi....
  
  from the film Anubavi Raja Anuvbavi
  
  sari... VM pattu oNNu...
  
  kokku saiva kokku veradham mudichiducham... from Muthu
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Aug 7 13:52:44 EDT 1998
  
  Pagalavan and Prakash you are bringing back many fond memories, thanks. Pagalavan, the Mann Vaasanai song is different from "Arisi Kuththum Akka Magalae". While I was showering, some of the pallavi came to me. Here goes:
  
  ada mookuyaera mookkammaa
  naakkuneenda ponnammaa
  pollaappu vaenaamamma
  naan paadivaraen paattamma
  en pattukkaetha pattammaa
  ?????????????????????????
  . . .
  ada puttupputtu vaikkattaa
  kizhichchupputtu thaikkattaa
  
  
  Song: Kondayil Thaazhampoo; Film: Annaamalai
  This love song by VM brims with playfulness as he writes about the stars' personalities:
  
  kondayil thaazhampoo
  nenjilae vaazhaippoo
  koodayil enna poo
  Khushboo
  . . .
  veeraththil mannan nee
  vetriyil Kannan nee
  endrumae raaja nee
  Rajini
  . . .
  minnal pola
  nee vandhu pona
  koottam kaiya thattumae
  koadi pookkal kottumae
  . . .
  panju meththai kaal mulaichchu
  nadandhu vandhadha pola
  
  
  Song:annaamalai annaamalai; Film: Annaamalai
  In this seductive song, the analogy used brings out a lighter shade of the emotions felt:
  
  Brahmanukku moodu vandhu
  unna anuppittaan
  adi Kaamanukku moodu vandhu
  enna anuppittaan
  
  
  Song: maanooththu mandhaiyila; Film: Kizhakkuch Cheemayilae
  The song celebrates the coming home of a pregnant sister. This following line always brings a smile to my face for its inherent "kurumbu":
  
  machchaanai thinnayila
  poaththi padukkuch chollu
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ dante.cs.wmich.edu) on: Fri Aug 7 13:54:47 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash 'en kanmani un kaadhali'is by Vaali-all the songs in this film(except adada maamara,which was by Panchu)are by vaali
  
  Indha pattu partheena rendu peru paadira maadhiri
  adhavadhu herovum avanoda manasum paadara maadhri irukkum.eppidinaa
  
  first he says
  
  en kanmani
  
  then his heart says
  
  un kadhali
  
  First: ilamangani
  second: unai parthadhum
  first: sirikkinradhen
  second: sirikkindradhen
  first: naan sonna jokai kettu naanamo
  second: nee nagachuvai mannan illaiyo??
  
  
  Heroinee
  
  first: en mannavan
  manasu: un kaadhalan
  f: ennai parthadhum orayiram
  M; kadhai solgiraan kadhai solgiraan
  f: ammamma innum ketka thoondumo
  M; nee rasikkindra kanniyillaiyo
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Fri Aug 7 16:22:33 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki...
  
  Source about the writer of the song 'En KaNmani...' please.I am not convinced that it was not by KaNNadhasan.
  
  

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