Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
Neel's VJ Songs
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- From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152)
on: Wed Jan 8 04:05:38 EST 2003
Ilangayin Ilam kuil -the tune recycled by MSV from his Maro Charithra "Bale Bale" (LRE-SPB)-atleast the pallavi is similar.
Pilot Premnath-General Chakravarthy -Jutice Gopinath
Cho made fun of this with a story in thuglak "An eight year old boy writing 4th std exams"-D Yoganand picks up the title "Student Sainath" with Sivaji in the lead!!!!!
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.211)
on: Wed Jan 8 06:09:58 EST 2003
Saravanan,
1. As far as I remember, the Kalaignar-Jai films were directed by Mr Amirtham, who, I think, is related to MK and Murasoli MaaRan. Given Jai's Tamil Brahmin backdrop, it was expected that he won't be able to continue for long with the fiery Dravidian dialogues! In Kumudam, there was a 'kisukisu' (without mentioning Jai's name!) that Jai protested in one of the films about some dialogue! ' edhai ezhudhik koduththaalum Sankaraannu pEsida mudiyuma?' was the Kumudam nakkal!
2. I think 'Pilot Premnath' was based on Venkat(?)'s play 'mezhugu bommaigaL'
3. Parts of 'General Chakravarthy' were shot in Madras Regimental Centre, Wellington, where I had gone (a little after the shooting!)as a cadet for a 3 week camp in May 1978! The song 'nee enna kaNNanaa? naan enna kamsanaa?' had beautiful lyrics! 'kuyil itta muttai enRu kaakkaikkuth theriyum! adhu koovum pOdhum thaavum pOdhum yaarukkum puriyum! kaakka kathai veettil kooda nadakkuthu kaNNaa ! kadavuL kaNNai dheepap pugai maRaikkuthu kaNNaa!'
4. In an earlier film (jeevanaamsam)also, NaagEsh plays the role of a divorce lawyer, who does it only for money, but internally believes strongly that the 'pavitra bandhan' of marriage cannot be wished away by signing a few papers!
- From: vajjar (@ 203.129.223.227)
on: Wed Jan 8 06:15:20 EST 2003
plz someone tell me where i can download he song
sorgam mathuvilae from sattam en kayil movie....
i tried some sites they are allowing only to
hear songs but not to download.....plz tell
me if u know....
mail me to this id vajjar@yahoo.com
- From: OISG (@ 217.17.235.2)
on: Wed Jan 8 06:41:23 EST 2003
CV
You are right.I think even "Kalam badhil sollum" from the same group was by Amritham.Amritham is the cameraman (or editor?) for EngaL thangam.
He directed MSV s waterloo "amara Kaviyam" *in Sivaji,Sripriya ... a remake of Mukkadar ka Sikandar
- From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.211)
on: Wed Jan 8 07:41:54 EST 2003
Saravanan,
One more small tidbit! The second Kalaignar-Jai film 'aadu paambey' had MR Radha in it. Must have been one of the handful of films he acted in after his release!
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.175)
on: Thu Jan 9 04:05:31 EST 2003
OISGyaare,
Indha siruvanai mannitharulga! kannathil pottukkolgiren!
I haven't seen VM, but have a vague memory of seeing this song on TV. You must be right.
Nedu naal aasai theerndhadha?! :-))
Appuram, unga 'Nath' listla 'Hitler Umanath' seems to be missing!
CV- thanks for the interesting tidbits, as usual!
Digression:
Tonight I am going for a musical event
'Pongal Isai'- Unnikrishnan, Srinivas, Shankar Mahadevan, Sujatha and Anu Sriram have landed in Dubai for this, and are busy giving interviews in the papers/ radio. Programme jollyaa irukkumnu ninaikiren!
- From: Kaumudi (@ 210.210.55.100)
on: Fri Jan 10 03:24:20 EST 2003
CV
That programme I mentioned took place in Hyderabad. TANA wanted to make its silver jubilee celebrations special, hence they decided to do it in Hyd rather than the US. Sorry for the delayed reply.
- From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203)
on: Mon Jan 13 01:59:49 EST 2003
Anuradha (BM) - if you are still around and following the proceedings of this thread could you please email me at this address: naaz99@yahoo.com
I'd like to forward an essay that might be of interest to you. Many thanks.
- From: Siva (@ 61.11.83.113)
on: Tue Jan 14 03:37:16 EST 2003
Saravanan
I appreciate for your Random thoughts of TFM and your hardwork to make list of VJ songs with interesting events.
So I like to help you some way,Hence I choose to list-outing VJ'songs for you.
When you make posting of VJ song please consider my list also. If it's already discussed please forgive me.
NB: If you give me the name of Movie i will try to find VJ songs in that.
Some of VJ songs.
1.Pinju Manam-Vanam Pozhidaathu......With KJJ
2. " -Only one peg....solo MD SG. 1975.
3.Alli durbar-Naan paadanjcholi koduppein....MD shyam. 1978.
4.Urangatha Kangal-Urangatha kangal......with SPB MD SG. 1979.
Porter Ponnusamy-Sarasaramaai shenbagappoo......MD MSV. 1979.
5.Rajarajeswari-Palukku aadai.....With Jolly Abraham. MD SG. 1979.
6.Oru Koil Iru Deepangal-Naam vaazhum naalellam.......solo MD V.Dakshinamoorthy. 1978.
- From: s0 (@ 163.181.250.2)
on: Tue Jan 14 09:54:29 EST 2003
naaz, enna aaley kaanom?
- From: rk (@ 210.187.11.122)
on: Sun Jan 19 10:49:29 EST 2003
urangatha kanga-IR
pandiya mannanin rajakumari-solo by VJ from Velum Mayilum Tunai.somebody please tell me music director for this song.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.167)
on: Sun Jan 19 22:35:47 EST 2003
Sorry for the break in the chronology. Hope to resume shortly.
Siva, thanks for your sincere and kind offer. I really appreciate it and will definitely approach you when I am in doubt. In the meantime, can you please go through the earlier posts and see if you can help with any additions/corrections? Thanks,once again.
rk-Urangatha Kanngal was by S-G. Urangatha Ninaivugal was by IR.
S-G were the MDs for Velum Mayilum Thunai.
- From: Siva (@ 210.210.35.249)
on: Sat Jan 25 07:26:10 EST 2003
Saravanan
Thanks for your courtesy.
Now I'm looking your earlier postings. And i'm sure that,i will come here with some additions very shortly.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.164)
on: Thu Jan 30 11:17:27 EST 2003
-1978- Part 3
1.Andhamanai paarungal azhagu- Andhaman Kathali- KJY- MSV
Muktha films’ Andaman Kaadhali starred Sivaji Ganesan, Sujatha, Kavitha, Thengai Srinivasan, Manorama, YGM, Senthamarai, Kaathadi Rammamoorthi, Sukumari, CID Sakunthala, Typist Gopu and others. Story and dialogues by Prakasam. Produced by V Ramaswami and directed by V Srinivasan.
Muktha Srinivasan, along with his brother Ramaswami started his career in the Accounts Section of Modern Theatres. He learned the ropes of film craft under the tutelage of trendsetters like K Ramnath and S Balachander. He got his break as a director in Mudhalaali-1957 produced by MA Venu. Under his own banner- ‘Muktha Films’, he made a mark in his early ventures like Idhayathil Nee, Poojaikku Vandha Malar, Ninaivil Nindraval, Niraikudam, Aayiram Poi, Bommalattam etc. The 70s and the 80s were the decades when the Muktha flag was flying high. The last film to come from the house- Kanngalin Vaarthaigal-1998, (directed by Muktha Sundar, and starring a pre-Sethu days Vikram) sank without a trace. Though Srinivasan has worked with generations of actors like SSR, Gemini Ganesh, Muthuraman, Ravichandran, Jaishankar, Sivakumar, Kamal, Rajini, Murali and Pandiyarajan, his films with the Nadigar Thilagam are the most memorable.
Srinivasan, an old Congressman, quit the party along with GK Moopanar in 1996 and was one of the founder members of the TMC. He has also written a collection of short stories which fetched him critical acclaim.
The Muktha movies always boasted of wonderful songs. Whether the score was by V-R (it was Srinivasan who introduced Vaali to MSV during the making of Idhayathil Nee), V Kumar, Shankar-Ganesh, Ilayaraja or Chandrabose, the films had great music. Even the disastrous Kanngalin Vaarthaigal had that alluring ‘Alli Sundaravalli (Arunmozhi, MD-IR). However, it was with MSV that Srinivasan enjoyed a special rapport and the Mellisai Mannar would repeatedly come out with awesome scores in Muktha’s films.
Time and again our filmmakers have taken stories revolving around the Andamans. Andaman Kaithi was a MGR-Thikkurasi Sukumaran Nair starrer that came out in 1952. Kaalapaani (Siraichaalai) –1996, brought the focus back on the Andamans. Kaakka Kaakka and Iyarkkai are two films, parts of which are being currently shot in these lush isles.
Muktha Srinivasan chose the Andamans to be the enchanting milieu for the film, and in the process, exhibited, in glorious colour, the breathtaking beauty of the islands. In 1979, he would shoot another Sivaji starrer-Imayam, almost entirely in Nepal.
AK is the tale of the loyalty of a wife to her husband from whom, she has been separated for long, by a quirk of fate. Sivaji (Prabhu) and Sujatha (Maragadham)-a tribal Andaman lass, fall in love. Sujatha, however, is terrified of the repercussions that will follow if her clan comes to know. Presently, as is the rule in tamil films, they are forced to spend a night together, and the inevitable happens. Sivaji does the honorable thing by marrying her the next day, with a village temple deity as the witness, and they are all set for a happy married like. But fate wills otherwise. When Sujatha falls seriously ill, Sivaji rushes to Thengai (Dr.Banerjee). Thengai adamantly says that he would come only if Sivaji pays an exorbitant sum. In the heat of the moment, Sivaji strikes him, and Thengai falls still. Thengai’s wife Manorama screams that her husband has been murdered. Horrified that he had killed Thengai, Sivaji flees to Tamil Nadu. There he happens to save a rich man from drowning, and this selvandhar is sufficiently grateful to take Sivaji under his fold, and also presently dies, leaving Sivaji as the guardian of his only daughter, Kavitha.
Years roll by. Kavitha is now grown up, and she is a great enthusiast of art forms. She wishes to see the works of a young sculptor, Madan, who is based in Andaman. Sivaji is reluctant to go to Andaman, as he fears that his nemesis will catch up with him. Nevertheless, he has never refused Kavitha anything, and so they travel to Andaman.
Is it any surprise that Madan happens to be Sivaji-Sujatha’s son, or that Thengai isn’t dead after all or that Kavitha falls in love with Madan?
But what follows gives the story unexpected and interesting twists. Sujatha’s uncle Senthamarai, is after Sivaji’s blood, since he feels that Sujatha had been let down very badly by him, and Madan too wants to know who his father his, as he wants to make a statute of him, and tell the world what a scoundrel the man was. Due to this, Sujatha refuses to reveal that Sivaji is her husband, fearing for his life. Madan is adamant that he can think of marriage only after finding his father. Sivaji tries in many ways to make Sujatha reveal that he is her husband, but she thwarts all his moves. How the knot is untangled forms the engrossing climax.
The other two songs are by TMS- ‘Adi Leelakrishna Radharamani Jiginarangamma’ and ‘Panam ennada panam panam’
VJ: Andhamaanai paarungal azhagu-
ilam paavai ennodu uravu;
Andha thennai thaalaattum ilaneer-
Indha theevu penn thoovum panneer!
KJY:Indha mega koondhal kalaigal-
kadal neeril aadum alaigal;
Undha moga raga naadham-
indha ezhai paadum vedham;
Andhamaanum unpola azhagu-
ilam paavai unnodu uravu;
Andha thennai thaalaattum ilaneer
indha kaadhal penn thoovum panneer!
VJ: Nalla poovum thenum thirandu
sugam pongum ullangal irandu;
Idhu raja raga swargam-
ini pesa enna vetkkam?
KJY:Idhu yekkam theerkkum thanimai-
enna inbam amma un ilamai;
Indha devi meni manjal-
naan thediyaadum oonjal!
VJ: Ungal kaigalendra siraiyil-
varum kaalakaalangal varaiyil-
Naan vaazha vendum ulagil-
Andhamaanai pola arugil!
Notwithstanding the fact that KJY’s voice was completely unsuited for Sivaji, these two songs were among the biggest hits of the year. They remain to this day immensely popular. And this goes only to show the timeless appeal of MSV’s magic.
Though Sivaji had earlier featured in KJY’s ‘Malarey kurinji malarey’- this was the first time that he was actually moving his lips to KJY’s voice. KJY could never impress as a singer for Sivaji, though he was very successful whilst singing for MGR. KJY’s other songs for Sivaji were in films like Kavariman, Thirisoolam and Anbulla Appa.
The song is filmed on Sujatha, dressed in colorful tribal attires and atrocious headgears, and a bewigged and big-bellied Sivaji. The song begins with a bewitching humming by KJY and VJ. The opening music is unforgettable, and throughout the song, MSV dazzles with the polish and poise of his arrangements. VJ and KJY sound so wonderfully romantic- the song is a hypnotic experience--
2.Ninaivaaley silai seithu- Andhaman Kadhali-KJY-MSV
Another enticing song by the same pair- this time for an aged Sivaji and Sujatha, when they get together after years of separation. Greyhaired Sivaji, with a walking stick, and Sujatha, in simple cotton sarees, leaning on Sivaji’s shoulder, as they take long walks all over the island, and boat rides along the coast.
KJY:Ninaivaaley silai siethu unakkaga vaithen-
Thirukkoyiley odi vaa,
Thirukkoyiley odi vaa
Neerindri aarillai-
Neeyindri naanillai-
Verindri malarey edhamma-
Verindri malarey edhamma?
VJ: Ayya un ninaivethaan, naan paadum ragangal-
Appodhum ippodhum thappadha thaalangal;
Kanneeriley naan theettinen kannathil kolangal-
Kannathil kolangal!
KJY:Sendhoora bandham, nilaiyaagum vannam
Samsara theril naan eri vandhen-
Thirukkoyiley odi vaa!
KJY:Mullaikku kuzhal thandha, pennmaikku pennmai nee-
Pillaikku thol thandha annaikku annai nee-
Adhikaalaiyil naan ketpadhu nee paadum bhoopalam!
VJ: En kanngal rendum pallaandu paadi-
Sevvaanam aanen, unnai thedi thedi,
Thirukkoyiley odi vaa!
The song is a subject of a never-ending controversy that KJY mispronounced ‘Thirukkoyiley’ as ‘Therukkoyiley’. But to my ears, it sounds only as ‘Thirukkoyiley’. However, KJY does sing ‘Sendhoorabandham’ as ‘Sendhoorabendham’. But these are minor errors, considering the mincemeat that today’s singers make of our wonderful language!
That apart, this too is a mesmerising song by MSV. Slow and dreamy, perfectly befitting the reflective mood of the old couple, as they look back in a philosophical mien, the twists and turns in their life. The ‘Aaaa Aahaa’ before the repetition of ‘Thirukkoyiley odi vaa’ is a stroke of the Master’s genius- How much beauty it adds to the song! KJY’s voice, which always has a tinge of melancholy in it, fits in the scheme of the song so well. As for VJ,‘Appodhum ippodhum thappadha thaalangal’!
Ninaivaaley silai seithu vaikka vendiya arumayaina paadal.
3.Anandam tharum ragangal-Iraivan Kodutha Varam-MSV
Iravivan Kodutha Varam starred Rajinikanth, Sumitra, Srikanth and others. I have a vague memory that it was directed by A Bhimsingh, though I wouldn’t bet on it. If it was indeed by A Bhimsingh, then that great director had made 4 films in 1978. Oru Nadigai Nadagam Paarkiraal, Karunai Ullam, Iraivan Kodutha Varam and Kai Pidithaval. It was during the making of the last film that he passed away suddenly.
I have seen the film many years back on TV. I dimly recollect that Rajini played, with characteristic bindaas, a negative role of an unscrupulous womaniser. The other songs are ‘Mangai endraal’ by Jolly Abraham & BSS, and ‘Vellai kalai uduthum’ by MSV.
Anandam tharum ragangal-
avaladhu veenaiyil ganangal;
Kalam kadandha niyangal-
kanindhu pirandha nerangal!
Kalyana melangal irumurai kettaval-
ponnana menikku saandhi indru
ponnana menikku saandhi indru;
Kaanaadha kanavugal palamurai kandaval-
kannara kaangindra kaatchi-
Iru kannaara kaangindra kaatchi!
Thaan ondru ninaithathai-
thaan seithu mudippavan
Gnanathil sirandhavan Geethaiyiley-
gnanathil sirandhavan Geethaiyiley;
Sandhosham enbathai thaan thedikkondavan
thullugindraan aasaiyiley
thullugindraan aasaiyiley!
Kaalathin vegam kuraindhadhendru-
avan kaadhalin vegam adhigarikka-
kaadhalin vegam adhigarikka;
Kaviya nayagan parappathenna-
than kaadhal nayagiyai anaithirukka-
kaadhal nayagiyai anaithirukka!
Namey ninaithu, namey magizhvadhai-
naatinar solvaar madhiyendru
Nayagi ninaithu nayagan mudippadhu
nallor solvaar vidhiyendru
Anandan ennum azhagiya yettil
avargal ezhudhiya kavithai ondru;
Avargal ezhuthiya kavithaiyai padithu
Aandavan seitha thitutham ondru---
A long song, sung expressively by VJ. It gives us a glimpse into the story too. Apparently the heroine’s first marriage was short lived, and she is now contemplating another marriage. MSV’s song ‘Vellai kalai uduthum kalaimagaley, nee vidhavai alla adhai naan ariven’ relates more of the story- her second husband dies suddenly. But the question is whether she is a widow, for her first husband is still alive!
The song begins with MSV’s lilting music, and VJ exudes an air of exultant exuberance in the excellent pallavi. The auspicious sounds of a marriage –the Nadaswaram and the Melam are heard in the first interlude. The next interludes are filled with MBSish chorus voices portraying the meandering moods of the heroine- the voices and the music suddenly become solemn just before ‘Naame ninaithu’, and VJ also sings these lines in a suddenly reduced tempo, and brings forth with characteristic grace, a feeling of restrained angst.
4.Nalla kanavunukku manaiviyaanaval-Ilaiyarani Rajalakshmi-MSV
I don’t know anything about this film other than that Jaishankar was the hero, with perhaps Srividya as his pair. The title suggests a historical tale- can anyone elucidate?
The songs were heard often on the radio- ‘Adi ponnaa’-TMS, ‘Paatondru paada’-TMS and ‘Manam kavarndhu varum’-MSV being the other songs.
Nalla kanavanukku manaiviyaanaval-
andha Kadavulukkey nandri kooruvaal;
Avan vallamaiyai endrumey virumbuvaal
anbu vaazhkkiyiley deepa oli yetruvaal!
SriRaman Mithilai nagar veedhiyil vandhaan-
angu Seethai avan thol kandaal tholey kandaal;
Kaadhal konda Janakiyai Kamban kandaan-
andha kaadhalukku veeramey kaaranam endraan!
ThiruMurugan veleduthu veeram kaatinaan-
andha Deivaanai Muruganukkey maalai sootinaa;
Kaalamellaam kaalaiyarkku valimai vendumey-
nalla kaariyangal saadhikkum thiramai vendumey!
Thanneeril irangaamal neendha mudiyuma?
Dhairiyamey illamal vaazha mudiyuma?
Thannai nambum manithanaiye ulagam nambum-
indha thathuvamey illarathil nallathu seiyum!
What a spellbinding sermon on courage, with hard-hitting mythological analogies! Indeed Dhairiyam is purusha lakshanam’, and this wife gently puts across this message to her husband. VJ brings out, with enthralling empathy, the feelings of the wife who urges her husband to be ‘Bold, and thus beautiful’. As in the case of many of MSV’s songs, the first and third interludes are similar, while the second is different. The opening flute notes give the song an arresting prelude.
Another song that comes to mind in the same situation, of a wife wanting her husband to be brave, though in a lighter vein, is ‘Oru asadaattam en aambadayaan azhuthaappidikkaathu’-PS, from the film Thanikkudithanam-1977. It is said ‘Cowards die many times before their death, the valiant never taste of death but once’, and it is quite understandable that a woman would want her man to be heroic. However, she ought not carry it too far, as James Leigh Hunt reminds us in his wonderful poem ‘The Glove and the Lions’!
-78 rpm isaithattu meendum adutha vaaram suzhalum-
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.28.203)
on: Thu Jan 30 21:05:49 EST 2003
Saravanan-
Just when I was beginning to wonder if you had abandoned this research and celebration of VJs songs...Thanks for reinforcing my faith in patience with the ode above!
All the songs you have explored in your chronology are little miracles of voice and artistry. What's more we have you and your words to recreate that lost magic all over again!
A heartfelt thanks!
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