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Dheena Release

Topic started by Surya (@ 213.122.244.153) on Fri Dec 1 15:22:56 EST 2000.
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YSR's Dheena starring Ajit should be coming out soon. Has anyone any info about it?Also what are his other upcoming projects?

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• From: Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Jan 3 16:10:57 EST 2001
  
  Kiru:
  
  I meant that "to perform something we need a training but to appreciate we need to listen".
  I thought I messed up the meaning out of excitement. Donot get me wrong.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 16:22:10 EST 2001
  
  I think it has something to do with time factor. When there is a lot of pressure to produce quality work in a short time, the work deteriorates. Even a good wrapper cant hide imperfections. Well, if we are to expect serious music from movies, we need to bring out quality movies too. All that needs is a lot of awarness, responsibility, and a very good taste to give only good stuff to people. But seems like this is a cycle of blaming. The MDs claim they give the people what they want, and junta claim they have been deprived of good music. What i seriously believe in is, people should keep advancing in their tastes. If peoples expectations rise, MDs would perhaps give us better stuff.
  
  
• From: sethu (@ 193.113.185.165) on: Wed Jan 3 16:55:17 EST 2001
  
  Guys, I think that YSR has done a great job on Dheena. Okay so maybe, it was hyped up a lot, but can't you be greatful that at least we have some new MD on the scene and the TFM forum won't just be consumed with endless discussions about IR and ARR. YSR has done really well with Dheena. If you look at the TFM top 10, he is occupying places 2 and 3 so that warrants a lot. True, if the MD's had better movies to work for, maybe they would feel inclined to work harder to produce better results. Overall I think Dheena is well worth the money and as for Velai-Vetti-Nothing, maybe you need to find something to do rather than offend peoples taste and judgement with your crass comments.If you feel that a head cleaner CD would have been more use, you should have bought one and not come to discuss it here. YSR is excelling at what he does, and all the best to him in the future.
  
  
• From: Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Jan 3 16:55:50 EST 2001
  
  Swamiji:
  
  Are we dying for so many movies - 20 in a week.
  Wasting time and money of theirs as well as many.
  
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Jan 3 17:00:14 EST 2001
  
  
  What do you mean when you say "people should keep advancing in their tastes"?
  My opinion is if one sincerely involves oneself with the music and observes his/her own reaction to it is the best way.This is something anyone can do in between their precious time without the scientific and mathematical aspects of music(notes and scales).Pardon my ignorance.
  
  I would also like to know how to determine which music junta like and which they blame.When you say junta do you mean "our circle of friends"?
  
  I enjoyed your comment "Even a good wrapper cant hide imperfections".I assume you would like this extension "Even a bad wrapper contains gems"
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Jan 3 17:08:55 EST 2001
  
  I dont think this is a matter of time. There are many factors/reasons. But in simplistic terms it depends on the individual concerned. Take a programming example, given a specific amount of time a good/ethical programmer will try to write clean/modular code, good error reporting, debugging hooks and it will be commented. But if you are only interested in getting the feature working so that your manager is happy I dont think these aspects are going to be given attention. Same goes for music. If you are really interested in music then the quality will be really good ..approaching that of classical music.
  
  
• From: Responsible_Critic (@ 160.231.1.20) on: Wed Jan 3 17:20:22 EST 2001
  
  Sethu:
  
  Please donot set any standards for excellence.
  YSR has done good job in dheena - you have every right to proclaim that he did well but we need not be grateful as it's his duty. Nothing to be offended...I hope you wouldn't come off me saying that who needs better music than dheena or friends or rhythm or thenali or some crap...
  
  Let's come out of this favouritism... Let the MDs do their duty of giving only their best...
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Wed Jan 3 17:22:39 EST 2001
  
  sethu, NOM , It was just a loud thinking, no doubt dheena is a good album for many.
  
  I did get friends CD based on the reviews here, I was irriated so I wanted to be careful.
  also in dheena I see many arr kind of ideas, these ideas were recjected here calling it as a gimmick (including me), now when YSR does it, people like it, and i felt people like it just for the reason his initital happens to be captial I. if you like it get the cd and hear. It was just my opinion, I think I have the right to post it.
  
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 17:34:10 EST 2001
  
  Trend, what i meant by junta is someone not you. Have fun.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 17:47:02 EST 2001
  
  kiru, unlike programming, music has to be approached with a good taste. A good programmer needs only to ensure that his program is bug free, and works well in general. But a music compostion needs some perspective too. A musician is first an artist and only then a manipulator. As an artist, he/she understands what things will reach the heart of people that listen to them. As a manipulator, he/she tries a few things which can better what had been done with a rough sketch. But without a purpose in compostion and a good taste, both these will come to no help. A "composition" means arranging the parts in a way to make a whole meaningfull. Sorry, if someone like Trend who is totally ignorant cant understand what iam talking about. If an artist is pressed for time, he can only provide us with rough sketch slightly manipulated. And that would seriously affect the creativity in that you would find it nothing but recycle slightly manipulated.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Jan 3 17:56:51 EST 2001
  
  RC;
  
  You mention about immortal musicians. Can you give some examples of immortal musicians? Are you going to name Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Richard Wagner etc. Only 20-30% of their tunes are popular. Does it mean that other creations of them is mortal? What this means is even the so called "immortal musicians" were not able to give everything popular. For your info. Bach became more known only after his period. Born in Leipzig and being a father of dozens, he spent his 90% of time playing music in the Leipzig church. Certainly at that time, he would not have thought that his music was going to be popular later. I remember the occasion that once when IR was asked about how he felt about chinnathambi song hits he mentioned various unpopular songs that he felt were equal or better than Chinnathambi songs. That impressed people may or may not create same impression in musicans mind. So, I do not think that all the musicians are choosy. In IR's music there are many songs that had wonderful symphony like interludes. To mention some 1.Ennulle Ennulle (Valli) 2. ...(Nandhavana Theru) 3. Viralil Suthi Meeta Vaa (Nandhavana theru) (a total veena song) etc. etc. I can mention in hundreds like this. If they don't become hits whose mistake is this? Putting blame totally on MDs is unjustifiable.
  
  Being critic is good. But being unnecessarily critic is not so good. I think the present music is healthy and there is a lot of competition to bring something really good out of each musician.
  
  And to finish in oneline
  " Uyiril Kalandhu paadum pothu ethuvum Paadale". Same for hearing too. If there is a song that touches your heart (irrespective of the nature of music, tune etc.) that must certainly be appreciated. I think many of us here do.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 18:07:02 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, you are being a critic of the Critic. I guess RC had a point, that being total disappointment. I always feel critics have a point to make. You either discard a critics view or take it(if you are keen on improving). If you critic a critic, you are deviating from the cause of first comment. So be a critic of the first cause rather than a critic of the critic itself.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Jan 3 18:16:09 EST 2001
  
  Swamiji:
  
  Well. I understand from your note that a critic should not be criticized (whatever they say). You're criticizing me being a critic of the critic. Am I right if I mention you as "the critic of the critic of the critic" (grammer excused).
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 18:17:23 EST 2001
  
  Hahaha...aala vidungapaa...
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Wed Jan 3 18:27:37 EST 2001
  
  swamiji, "you are incorrect..."
  by this statement i become
  
  the critic of the critic of the critic of the critic.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Jan 3 18:29:53 EST 2001
  
  Swamiji and VVN:
  
  Thalai Vanangukiren. Ungal kaal enge?
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 18:44:41 EST 2001
  
  VVN, Iam turning to be a VVN myself. Please excuse me....
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Jan 3 18:46:34 EST 2001
  
  VVN, you shouldve said that to Flifo only then you are awarded with 4 critics. If u say that to me, its only 3.
  
  
• From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Wed Jan 3 18:56:31 EST 2001
  
  Swamiji...Athe Athe.
  
  
• From: Responsible_Critic (@ 24.4.252.137) on: Wed Jan 3 20:25:55 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo:
  
  Why are you jumping to conclusions that I am going to name that these are immortal composers.
  BTW didn't Thyagaraja Swamy, Mutthuswamy Dikshitar and Shyam Sastry etc., struck to your mind along with the Western classical maestros as a remotest possible guess? First of all it's combined effort from both MDs and listeners to keep up the healthy music. Just for example I consider IR's bharathi and ARR's Zubeida( because you guys talk about only these two composers always but I am sure there are lot of other albums and other capable great composers ), When we heard them...they are indeed a very promising immortal albums, do you think they are respected they should be...it will be a sort of depression to the composer and never attempts thru the movie media to give such taste and go away from the listeners...I believe that films are the best media to make the people realize lot of things. They would not be able to market their intent and so it will be a sort of unfinished wish ( if they are a serious composer ). We clap and encourage something else which is good temporarily and in longer run shows up as a desert of melody and far from immortality.
  How many songs can a layman be able to hum these days...but I bet the older ones though they are not immortal but atleast possible to hum. I never negated that the composers of these days are not capable of being immortal. You got me wrong. I don't know if I expressed my intent properly. However just in case you missed my point...Even I can count 1000s from IR which are immortal - but for many of them we didnot clap. Anyway it's partly our responsibility too.
  
  Please donot think that I am a old granny who likes only devotional music...well I vibe with every good immortal music but not with names...
  
  Let's Make the music environment healthy...
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.68) on: Wed Jan 3 21:43:53 EST 2001
  
  RC;
  
  I enjoyed your writing. I feel one reason for songs to stay out of our mind might be due to "n" number of movies and "mxn" of songs. before you grasp the song of one MD another MD gives another song and another, another one and so on to which we keep humping. I agree with your point that the best songs ever stay in mind. However, we don't get the best songs always. But we must agree that we do getting them frequently. In olden days (till 80) there were about 10-20 movies released a year and one had enough time to sit, grasp and memorise the whole song. There were not too many MD's to confuse us. 'Haridas' was told to be screened for more than 700 days. But now the entire world appears fast. People prefer 'fast beats' and fast songs. The difference between old and new is more like having lunch in "Chettinadu Hotel" and and evening tea in a "Fast food Restaurant". Remember, food has never been fast, but the people. But don't ask what and where they hurry for? That's the pace of life now. Good and bad movies come and go away. If we sieve all of them we still find a decent number of songs that sounds good.
  
  One other reason is possible exhaustion of tunes. Composing an easy, momorable tunes nowadays is difficult as they seem to exist already. That is the reason sometimes we say that this song sounds like the old one or so.
  
  Thirdly, there are many pre-matured MD's. They start their career without having good music background. But these guys can be neglected as they are not always successful.
  
  Good music definitely has good appreciation. I am optimistic about this. My sincere feeling is having large number of young MDs there is a lot of fresh music coming out. I am sure you agree with me with the point that a healthy competition paves way for good things (just like an interview).
  
  
  
  
  
  

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