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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Venki (@ 216.115.36.65) on: Fri Jul 20 12:33:16 EDT 2001
  
  Niluja+okulan Chandrasekaram
  Niluja...neenga pugai vidarathu nalla theriuthu...
  neenga endha ooru...
  
  Venki
  
  
• From: jacob (@ 203.199.203.194) on: Sat Jul 21 09:21:33 EDT 2001
  
  niluja odhai vaanga pora,yaarudaa nee
  
  
• From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sat Jul 21 19:20:40 EDT 2001
  
  I was watching 'Eye on Asia' here in Canada. It featured an ad abt how this Pakistani group called Janoon is coming here. I heard one of their songs, it was the exact copy (Urdu) of Solomia by Deva ( i think it was Prasanth in that movie)...I thought to myself...now...NOONE is stupid enough to copy Deva so I supposed Deva copied it from this group...
  Can someone please verifiy this??
  Thxs all:)
  Let the power of the copy button be with u all, PeACE!
  
  
• From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sat Jul 21 19:21:22 EDT 2001
  
  oops i think u spell that sAlomia not sOlomia
  
  
• From: Sriram Raghavan (@ bootp-155-235.bootp.virginia.edu) on: Sat Jul 21 21:20:25 EDT 2001
  
  Listen to Hasima Hasima from Chocolate by Deva.
  The background beat is DITTO from an MJ song. I think it is "GHOST" but I am not sure.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.93.131.46) on: Sun Jul 22 10:27:03 EDT 2001
  
  ~~arochordidae~~.,
  
  Salomia is a copy from Junoon's 'Sayyoni' (Not sure how to spell it :-)
  
  The funny thing is, around the same period, SAR copied the same song and used it in his 'ThuLLaatha Manamum ThuLLum' - Megamaay Vanthu pogiraay is the song !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jul 22 11:40:45 EDT 2001
  
  Hey guys..heard the promo of a dance album on MTV featuring many Asian and Middle Eastern dance tracks and guess what...I heard "Dhoothuku? Dhothuku? Dhoothiya?"...the dance number from Rajni's Arunachalam...that was an exact lift ! The chorus had exactly the same words. Has this already been mentioned in this thread ? Anyway it is common knowledge that Middle Eastern music has become "open source" for some of our MDs.
  
  
• From: ~~arochordidae~~ (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Sun Jul 22 12:49:15 EDT 2001
  
  thanks NagaS:) I had a feeling Deva copied!
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sun Jul 22 13:48:45 EDT 2001
  
  hi cosmician: thooththukku thooththukku thooththiyA is a punjabi folk tune. i have seen people dance to this tune six seven years ago.
  
  
• From: HarrisWatch (@ adsl-64-173-8-102.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Sun Jul 22 17:44:31 EDT 2001
  
  Guys..listen to the prelude (the flute and drums) of en jeevanin padalai song in ilaiyavan by IR and vaseegara by Harris. Ilaiayavan is available on musicindiaonline.com
  
  
• From: HarrisWatch (@ adsl-64-173-8-102.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Sun Jul 22 17:44:44 EDT 2001
  
  Guys..listen to the prelude (the flute and drums) of en jeevanin padalai song in ilaiyavan by IR and vaseegara by Harris. Ilaiayavan is available on musicindiaonline.com
  
  
• From: Normal Man (@ 1cust200.tnt1.mel2.da.uu.net) on: Sun Jul 22 22:38:14 EDT 2001
  
  I was seeing 'Karnan' for the (n+1)th time last weekend, and man what a performance & a presence he made on the screen. I wonder if there are any actors till date to have a dialog delivery as good as him. We will miss you Sir !!
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Mon Jul 23 06:53:20 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks hihi:-)
  
  
• From: sankar (@ 202.125.94.46) on: Tue Jul 24 03:17:52 EDT 2001
  
  not bad
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Jul 24 05:48:13 EDT 2001
  
  Latest copy. From the movie Super Kudumbam. I think Aadityan is the composer. He has done cut and paste of the Phalguni Pathak number 'meri chunar udd udd jaaye'! Atta copy!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 63.109.248.50) on: Tue Jul 24 07:09:51 EDT 2001
  
  Yes Karthik.,
  
  Tune as well as the chorous is a ditto from the Phalguni Pathak song.,
  Too bad for Aadithyan., He got a tamil movie after a loooooooooong gap and doing such nasty thing !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.185) on: Tue Jul 24 08:45:32 EDT 2001
  
  >>>He got a tamil movie after a loooooooooong gap and doing such nasty thing !
  
  
  That is the reason why he is doing so. Might be , the pressure from higher ups.
  
  
• From: :-| (@ bangalore-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 24 09:15:37 EDT 2001
  
  The producer might've wanted to show some loss for the IT deptt...Hence Adityan as the MD !
  
  
• From: :-| (@ bangalore-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Tue Jul 24 09:16:02 EDT 2001
  
  Sorry, read it as...
  The producer might've wanted to show some loss to the IT deptt...Hence Adityan as the MD !
  
  
• From: SAITAN (@ ce1.time.net.my) on: Tue Jul 24 14:04:08 EDT 2001
  
  SRIRAM IT WAS FROM MJ'S JAM SONG MAN HEHEH . DEVA COPYCAT ILEPA PLS APADI SOLATHINGE. DEVA COPYCAT ODE APPAN. KARMAM KARMAM
  
  
• From: jokerman (@ proxy.hud.gov) on: Thu Jul 26 10:56:59 EDT 2001
  
  i dunno if anyone else has mentioned this already..
  
  "thudikindra kaadhal" from nerukku ner borrows heavily from a late 80's hit called "Im nin alu" by Ofra Haza
  
  So does "veesum kaatrukku" in ullasam from "Listen to ur heart" in the disney movie Pocahontas
  
  A lot of pieces from the lion king have been used in the movie "vaanmathi"(thatz the name of the movie i think)
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-246.maa.sify.net) on: Fri Jul 27 08:41:33 EDT 2001
  
  There's a male singing prelude for the song `snEhidhanE' in alai pAyudhE. Looks like that portion is heavily inspired from the song `qurbani, qurbani, qurbani' (film-Qurbani, K-A music). Clever ARR!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Jul 27 13:18:30 EDT 2001
  
  eden:
  The alaap or the solo that the male sings in that snegidhane song is a typical qwaali style. There are hundreds and thousands of qwaali hindi film songs. I think you have probably heard only few of these kinds of songs. For a person like ARR, whom we know is good at sufi and hindustani musics, needs no exclusive inspiration from one particular film music. It would have been a quite natural tune for him .
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.80) on: Sun Jul 29 01:28:16 EDT 2001
  
  eden:
  
  Qawwali-styled tunes are often similar sounding. ARR is great for Sufi tunes (as good as Roshan previously was). He does not NEED to copy.
  
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ host62-7-87-51.btinternet.com) on: Sun Jul 29 06:31:26 EDT 2001
  
  when ARR's songs sound similar to some other songs-it does not matter, oh..he knows sufi,oh..he is this blah blah..
  his recent siyan from wqas ditto IR's tune from chinnavar-you guys ver...y conveniently pooh poohed it saying it is a typical rajasthani number as if you have been listening to rajadsthani folk songs.give us a break.I am yet to listen to a recent ARR song wothout being reminded either a previous tunes by himself or others.As that chap who has written exhaustive anlysis of IR songs in lolluexpress said-I am doing a C&P-
  Rahman said in one of his early interviews that he avoided listening to contemporary music as did not want to get influenced by that music. He wants his music to be original and new! Alright bro, make music without the influence of your forefathers! Let us see, if you can! -C&P ends.
  forefathers my foot-he cant even avoid reminding us of his contemporaries.
  
  
• From: Keerthi (@ 203.199.242.51) on: Sun Jul 29 08:03:21 EDT 2001
  
  The latest Rahman songs as on date are melody based like those of MSV. He is giving a lot of melody numbers these days apart from the beat oriented songs. This has to be accepted. Singer Deepan chakravarthi revealed this on 29th July music show in vijay TV.
  
  
• From: Sangeeth (@ ac916127.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Jul 29 11:10:12 EDT 2001
  
  sing 'narumukaiye narumukaiye' in a faster beat. Now sing 'mudharkanave mudharkanave' from Majnu.
  Can anyone see the close similarity?
  
  
• From: MusicMouse (@ 61.1.212.246) on: Sun Jul 29 14:59:50 EDT 2001
  
  Which is the original song of 'Kathal Arraroe' song from Vijaykanth's Narasimha. Is it a IR song? Can Anybody tell that song?.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-242.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 30 01:56:02 EDT 2001
  
  Qawwali-styled tunes are often similar sounding idhukkuppEr dhAn `sappaikkattu':-) One can always claim that all those Raja folk numbers are often similar sounding & Deva never copied them? Or all those rock numbers sound similar / arabian numbers hear alike / carnatic songs are all `aaaaahahahahaha' etc?
  
  What'll you say for the following specifics, note-for-note copies?:
  -`thangapathakathin mElE' into `enna vilai azhagE'
  -`kodutha sandhangaLil en manadhai' into `roja roja'
  -`maNippuRAvum mAdappuRAvum' into `uppukkaruvAdu'
  will you say there're so many MSV-TKR songs with similar sounding?
  
  I have posed a specific query on a song which sounds similar and if possible please do a note by note analysis for similarity. Then accept or discard. Please don't do sappaikkattu for ARR or whoever. It's ullangai nellikkani that the way ARR does is clever, like he picks the last line of saranam or some anupallavi of some MSV song and use it as pallavi / add some multi-voice gimmick to distract the naive listener that it's all new. OK, let them be, but at least the discerning DF'ers should be able to identify????
  
  Like it's straight on the part of IR admirers to admit that he COPIED Sunny (darling darling darling), kasme wadhe number (kanavu kANum vAzhkai), money money (kaN malargaLin azhaippidhazh) & those few more odd numbers, it'd be manly to accept those lifted by others too. (The difference is quite obvious because while it is negligible for IR & he didn't make his mainstay with them, it's not so for others. Especially for ARR who does so few in a year with so much of backing of money/producers/HCFs etc, still so much of recycles & collage speak volumes about his musical creativity:-()
  
  
• From: eden (@ dialpool-210-214-5-242.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 30 02:02:59 EDT 2001
  
  Those RECTians who used to visit Bhelec theater & are familiar with a trumpet /sax based music that used to be played during intervals etc.: one of them is note-for-note copied by Harris for a few lines in azhagiya theeyE. Unfortunately, I don't have info on the instrumental piece & I couldn't discern on the exact wordings of HJ song either. Can someone (esp Rectian / Bhelec visitor) give the details?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Mon Jul 30 04:47:48 EDT 2001
  
  Eden....
  
  I dont want to draw up an IR-ARR comparison here...suffice to say that we can point out far more so-called anamolies in ARR's music because it is far few and current...old film albums...nobody spends time analysing and comparing - I am sure you will find a lot of similarities too. The fact is you have to pick on ARR and stamp him down with your perceived and biased notions of "creativity".
  
  

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