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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: kk (@ 172.173.93.31) on: Tue May 15 01:56:11 EDT 2001
  
  lv,
  
  Most of the 15 were remakes. Only two or there were original scores. In that logic there are few rajnikanth/kamal movies remade from hindi to tamil, they all went unnoticed in tamil.
  
  Sadma, had good music and did well too. Later, he didnt get chance from good directors, most of them were unknown films. Recent HeyRam had great music and got good reviews and an award for BGM.
  
  All these movies you are talking about are they hits?. But IR made a hit music out of Sindu bhairavi.
  
  BTW mr. lv who are you? Please try to establish a identity in the forum. Guys like you use differnt nicks every time and couldnt get who is talking.
  Realy irritating. ( I guess I know you, you must be that ....... )
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.82.181) on: Tue May 15 02:42:50 EDT 2001
  
  well kk - I am LV and have posted only as LV and BY NO OTHER NAME AT ALL. I am not the same as 'Indian Music fan' at all. Check out the IP ADDRESS.
  
  Well, like you even I am a fan of IR. I have learnt Hindustani and western classical, and I love IRs abundant and fecund raga-based compositions. Even I know that he has even created ragas with only 3 swaras, that he has mixed ragas very beautifully and even used only the aroham of a raga in some songs.
  
  But his Hindi film music has been bad. The songs of Hey Raam lacked his usual creativity. Even Sadma and others for that matter. Unlike ARR who has bridged the gap between N & SI music, IR was never able to. Even many of his movies of late do not have the kind of heavenly stuff that he gave in the 70s and 80s. All this is not to undermine IRs magnificent contribution, but to draw attention to the fact that there were others - ARR,MSV,KVM and a few from the North - Hridaynath,RDB,SDB,Salil C,SJ,Roshan,mADAN mohan,Chitragupt ,Ravi etc -- who have been very innovative too.
  
  Some of them - MSV,Roshan etc have surpassed him as far as melody goes. So there you are!!Where IR scores is in his versatility.
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.82.181) on: Tue May 15 02:44:08 EDT 2001
  
  kk:
  
  Have you haerd those classical LP scores i mentioned?
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.199.130.144) on: Tue May 15 08:58:50 EDT 2001
  
  mr kk:
  
  These movies were hits in their days and were candidates for awards like 'best classical song of the year' from Sur Singar parishad. Lata and Kavita K call these songs amongst their best classical songs. As far as use of classical music goes there was ONE very underrrated music director by the name of SN Tripathi whose classical scores are the best anyone has given - probably better than IR.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Tue May 15 11:13:16 EDT 2001
  
  lv,
  I never said IR gave the best of classical, obviously he is best among the true blue carnatic legends.
  
  BTW, here is a review on Heyram music by shubash k jha,
  
  "The way Hey Ram got ignored was extremely tragic. It speaks a lot about the ignorance that is fashionable among a section of self-styled critics in Mumbai that Ilayaraja’s brilliantly atmospheric music score, capturing all the tensions, tumult, passion, fury and tragedy of those violent times when the country got splintered in two, was written off as “uninspired” and “dull”.
  
  Let us state once and for all that it is impossible for any composer in Mumbai to achieve what Ilayaraja has done in Janmon ki jwala thi tan mein. Man, what a melody! And what heights Asha Bhosle achieves as she goes at Sameer’s uncharacteristically articulate poetry! Hariharan gives Asha ample support. But this is primarily her song. And the composition is to die for. Note this Janmon ki jwala is one of the finest love ballads in the last five years. Ilayaraja hasn’t composed words, he has composed feelings in this unsurpassable and sweet ballad"
  
  May be that words about mumbai MDs was too much, the content is honest.
  
  And whats wrong about sadma? if its good in tamil, it will be good in hindi also.
  
  Now where did ARR come from, we were only talking about LP, IR and RDB. if you want to talk about creativity of ARR go start a new thread we will join you there. BTW, briding gaps are not job of MDs, their job is to stick with that they do well. If we try to stick music from whole world together, it will lack nativity and sound monotonous.
  
  I wrote a page long posts because Indian music fan is chating here for a about two weeks and I can sense he is here for a decent chat.
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.80.70) on: Tue May 15 13:03:29 EDT 2001
  
  dear kk:
  
  Well maybe I personally dislike Sadma's music. I also disliked Hey raam, not the BGM , but the songs. Its true that today no MD from North can do such a song, though I personally did not like it too much. Anyway, thats a matter of choice. Howvere we are not comparing AM or Rajesh Roshan with IR are we? definitely not. I am talking about LP(of the 60s to early 80s) and of composers like Roshan,Salil Chaudhary and Madan Mohan,RDB,SDB etc. There is NOTHING I have against IR at all. Mind you. But see the variety given by Salil C - is it less than IR?? No.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 206.47.240.86) on: Tue May 15 13:41:19 EDT 2001
  
  Lv is right. Some of the people here haven't heard the songs of LP in the 60's and 70's as well as 80's. LP not only created all those songs for Lata, but for Rafi as well. They were truly more meledious than LP. Now another question i want to ask is who do you guys find more better and versatile?. LP or RDB ??. Who was more versatile and who had better arrangements ??. LP literally took over RDB in the seventies. I also like RDB alot. His music was very innovative and the way he combined instruments was excellent. BTW have you guys heard the song by LP "Main na bhooluga" by Mukesh and Lata. It has excellent interludes as well as "Sari khushiyan he" by Rafi and LP. And to kk, LP didn't just have instruments playing the same tune in their songs. To make a statement like this one has not heard alot of songs of LP. Also, LP have not had that much media hype like RDB or Illyaraja or other MD's but the joys that they have brought with their music remains unparalled.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Tue May 15 14:25:56 EDT 2001
  
  "Indian Music Fan"...to light a candle to your darkness...I was brought up by my dad on a strict diet of English books and films...Tamil films were a strict no-no...I didn't have the opportunity of staying in Tamil Nadu also..we were always shifting around...dad introduced me to Beatles, Boney M, Abba, old Hindi and Tamil songs..he never encouraged late 70s and 80s tamil films then as he felt the quality had degenerated but we did see the latest Hindi movies from time to time...and I can say that I had the choice of either totally avoiding IFM by taking upto rock like some of our pseudo-indians do, or become a fan of HFM...tamil film I used to hear in short bursts on vacation for a month in my home town down south...and my family was not that kind of a family where music or films were encouraged...that's when the Agni Natchathiram score fell on my ears...and I was floored by the rich instrumentation and creativity, call it what you may...HFM had not at all enriched my ears like this (this could be a purely personal preference)..melody in HFM of 70s and 80s..I agree..it is abundantly there..period..that's it..a completeness is lacking...this you will find in IR's music..I started listening to a lot of IR after that..and started dissecting HFM songs, rock, pop etc. and found that IR stood out with his individuality, unique patterns, brilliant arrangement..as Kiru calls it..."polyphonic music"...yes polyphonic music at its best - that is IR..among the world's best...maybe even the world's best from this part of the world...one day he will be definitely recognised there is no doubt about it...people only have to re-discover him...genius cannot lie hidden for long...
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Tue May 15 14:38:46 EDT 2001
  
  IMF and lv, please provide links to songs to songs that u want us to ear..
  
  regarding 'who do you guys find more better and versatile?. LP or RDB ??' well.. this is not the right place.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 15:04:14 EDT 2001
  
  IMF and LV, if you know Ilayaraja, you know music. Peroid. Just don't compare him with ANY composer. He is a gift for India. Its only a pity that Hindi Filmdom doesn't recognize his genius - because hindi film music has never grown equivalent to music u hear in tamil movies. And that was purely because of IR - although I shouldn't be saying this - but it is a fact. Just dont argue with me or waste time with others because you are attempting to change the truth. If you seriously love music, you will not even dream of comparing IR with others - leave alone his success in Hindi Film world.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Tue May 15 16:51:31 EDT 2001
  
  Excuse me Swamiji. You are saying that hindi film music has never grown equivalent to tamil film music. Are u joking around ???. Hindi film music has always reached higher success than tamil film music. Listen to all the songs of the golden era (50's to 80's) and you will hear the best of music that ever came. Tamil and other southern films also copied tunes from HFM. Why do you think today southern composers are still trying to take some of the tunes of the old HFM directors and trying to make their new songs. This is the case in HFM as well. Illyaraja hasn't been recognized in HFM wrld because he hasn't done good scores for them. It's not because TFM is more supreme over HFM. Get your facts straight first before you say things. If he did good scores, ofcourse HFM would appreciate them like they have done to anyone else. Also, why do most southern MD's or singers or actors/actresses look up to the people of their same profession in HFM. They also have favourites from HFM because HFM has been unique in it's nature.
  
  To cosmician, i don't think you have heard many songs in HFM to say that it is lacking completeness and only Illyaraja has it. I think you haven't heard that many songs of LP or RDB or other MD's like SJ and Madan Mohan.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue May 15 17:15:40 EDT 2001
  
  Indian Music Fan:
  I have no use talking with u anymore. If I do I will waste my time.
  My point was don't compare IR thats all. Ans yes I reiterate - Hindi Film Music has not grown. If you want to know why IR is great, this lifetime of yours is not enough. So Bye.
  
  
• From: bm (@ 152.163.201.208) on: Tue May 15 17:30:53 EDT 2001
  
  Guys talking of versatility,melody, richness of composition in hfm blah blah blah...tune in to shakthifm.com rightaway ( its 5.20 pm est as iam writing this ) for vintage IR for the next 1 .5 hrs...its pure bliss..
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Tue May 15 17:45:43 EDT 2001
  
  Hindi film has not grown. Ok then how come the whole of India thinks it has then. You are wasting your own time by saying all this crap. Swamiji please get your facts straight then come here and talk. I am not comparing Illyaraja with anyone i am just saying listen to the songs of HFM directors and look at how LP managed to stay at the top more than any MD including Illyaraja. That is what i am saying. You are mis- understanding me. But don't come here saying that HFM hasn't grown because you have to face the facts of life. Please get some people who know about Indian music and both HFM and TFM to make such comments.
  
  

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