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Music directors !!

Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: Sugrutha (@ 65.11.240.45) on: Thu May 17 20:02:16 EDT 2001
  
  "HFM directors of the past such as MM, RDB, SJ, Naushad all created complex numbers which to this day are unmatched by anyone. as Raj said, They have created more complex numbers than Illyaraja and that is true."
  After the mega test matches between IRR and AR, it is now the turn of HFM vs TFM matches ?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Thu May 17 20:30:24 EDT 2001
  
  FYI: http://newtfmpage.com/forum/16129.02:21:57.html
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu May 17 20:43:49 EDT 2001
  
  IMF, can u please give links to some of the songs of MM, RDB, SJ, Naushad that u consider have complex tunes/arrangement than (raasaa!! and other music lovers please forgive me for typing this sentence for this sentence is a musical fantasy/fallacy :-( ) IR?
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Thu May 17 21:27:29 EDT 2001
  
  My general feeling is Northies think they are the best, when they cannot define what is best. It is something like "Hey look at my kidney, when all the time he was talking about his brain". These people have little exposure to rich culture that existed in Southern India.
  There were few idiots discussing if there were freedom fighters from Tamil Nadu (I was in Northern India at that time). They were commenting something to the effect that Southern states had nothing to give to India, and North was their benefactor all the time. IMF is no different from them. Can I ever excuse him? I am angered at him as much as I was after seeing this picture of our CM being saluted by an a#$%#$.
  IMF, please stop this so called discussion and play your noise to HFM fans. You have not even one iota of "arugathai" to discuss IRs music. I warned you not to compare first. Now u come back saying the same BS that u did when u first startes this thread. Your intention was to compare South and North. If that was your intention I proudly say South is the BEST.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu May 17 21:49:34 EDT 2001
  
  First of all Swamiji, you just took the parts of my post and made it swing in favour of the South. This shows that you did not even take time to think about what i said. A person who knows good music would take time and think about the true facts which i have laid out.
  
  Secondly, kk, tell me why you are bringing up songs out of the blue or songs which only have an identity with tamil. All i said was that the musicians from the North have defined IM to an extent that what we have today in our music culture is thanks to them. I also mentioned South musicians having made up our music culture as well. I didn't say that a north musician made up a tamil or a telegu or a kannada or a malayalam treasure, i SAID that people should not think that North indians take music lightly. I was proving that they take music as an art just as south Indians do because a certain cosmician doesn't think so. I don't know why you brought up the topic of have they done this in tamil or that in tamil when i am not even discussing that aspect !!!
  
  Next, i mentioned HFM has more variety than TFM because of all the people and influences it has received throughout India. That is a given fact. TFM does have variety in terms of different compositions and different songs, but it is not as varied as HFM which had influences from all over India. Though tamil music is good you cannot compare it with Hindi Film music because of the different influences. That is why HFM is more varied.
  
  You said HFM had all the tv coverage and everything. Well ofcourse if it is the national language and most of India understands it (I am not talking just of Hindi but of Hindustani as well) then it will get media coverage. Different states such as Tamil Nadu and Bengal also have TV coverage. Let me ask you a question. Why would all these legendary MD's come to HFM and make a name for themselves there when they easily could have done so in their own states !!. RDB could have stayed in Bengal. LP could have stayed in UP. MM could have stayed in Punjab. ARR could have stayed in Tamil Nadu. Everyone could have stayed put where they came from. But because it is a common language, and because it has a big industry, they showcased and displayed their talents in HFM. ARR is known around India because he came to Bollywood. He now gets all the coverage everywhere he goes in India.
  
  I NEVER said that South Indian musicians were bad or anything like that. You just make it sound to all these people like i believe that or i mentioned that. I was trying to prove a point based on what cosmician thinks about the North and it's music. And you can't even support the truth. I am just saying that North Indian musicians have defined and taken music seriously as well and it's not only south indians who take it seriously. I never said that TFM was not Indian !!. I laugh when i read those comments. Where does it come from. I think you are just making words out of the blue to go against what i say !!. It's pathetic really.
  
  And as kiru said if he wants to listen to variety he can go and listen to jewish or arabic or whatever other music other than hindi. He can if he wants to but if he wants to listen to variety in Indian Music, then he can listen to HFM. I don't know why you don't want to listen to HFM. Ok, it's your wish you can listen to your own home music if you want but then PLEASE don't say other Indian Music sucks or is this or is that because you don't even know about it. I never said tamil music sucks though i don't know alot about it. I said it was good. I just said HFM has more variety than TFM because it had more influences. Simple as that. Ofcourse if something has more influences than another thing, ofcourse the one which has more influences has more variety. We are talking about music from most different states of India into one HFM and comparing it to music from just one state which is TFM. Talking about individual MD's is a different topic all together.
  
  Yes Illyaraja did get his influences from people such as RDB and MM which shows you that music from the north is taken seriously. If it wasn't then i don't think he would have been inspired by them. MSV when he was in a duo also acknowledged SJ as they were regarded the Shankar-Jaikishan's of the South. SPB, Yesudas, all admire and are influeced by RAfi. Janaki, and other singers all admire Lata and Asha Bhosle. ARR admires RDB, Naushad and MM. This is to prove to you all out there who think North Indians do not take music seriously. If they did not take music seriously then none of these inspirations would be true !!. I think all of you agree with me on that point. But these inspirations are true because these people have taken their art to a whole new level and have given their best for that art and have made that art stand out and have in time inspired others to do so as well. That is my point. I hope all of you see that now. People in the south who are in the industry are inspired by someone from the north industry because it is all Indian music. They do not differentiate between south and north as others do in this forum. I know most of you like RDB and Rafi or Lata because they excelled at their respective arts. So please don't say music in the NOrth is not serious just based on ARR statements because he was talking about the current trend in film music and not music in the North or the South as an art. If you say it is not taken seriously than you don't know the facts. One quick thing. Hindustani music is mostly based on instruments whereas Carnatic music is mostly vocal. So to all those who make such statements, how can you anyway ?. People in this forum who know good music will agree with me and i would like some feedback from them.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu May 17 21:58:06 EDT 2001
  
  I am talking about the North because some people here think music up there is not as serious as down south !!. If you are one of them, then there is no point discussing music with ignorant people like you !!. You say you admire RDB and SDB and this and that when inside you think that they weren't as serious as MSV or Illyaraja. How can you say this when they themselves were inspired by RDB and SJ and other MD's from the North. Let me ask you a question . WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WERE INSPIRED ????. Was it because they thought music in the North was a joke and they just wanted to pass time, or did they know it was an art and that these were people who glorified the art !!!. Answer this please !!. And i will mention again that i was never here to compare and i am writing all this here to prove a wrong ignorant statement. All of you should think about what other people in this forum are saying about HFM and music in the North generally and make them understand that they cannot be like that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not before they know all the facts. I am not taking any sides, i am just giving you basic facts.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu May 17 21:59:40 EDT 2001
  
  C'mon all of you. Let's not take sides and let's discuss music in the proper way based on facts and proofs and not the ignorant way !!!
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu May 17 22:13:41 EDT 2001
  
  hold on! hold on!!
  
  blunder#1 And i will mention again that i was never here to compare and i am writing all this here to prove a wrong ignorant statement. You did compare IR with LP. NOw u are saying u are not. Read ur statement u've as part of the topic of the thread. reproduced in bold for u here..I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.
  
  Hindustani music is mostly based on instruments whereas Carnatic music is mostly vocal What the he11 do u mean by this? and where did u get this crappy statement from?
  
  this guy is uncontrollable.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Thu May 17 22:15:39 EDT 2001
  
  bb. Whats your phone number?
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu May 17 22:24:44 EDT 2001
  
  Hey guys, i found this on the net. Just wanted your opinion on it. Don't think i am taking sides because i am not. I am just giving you the facts. I think this is true. This is part of an interview from Nikhil Banerjee the sitar player.
  
  "From the 12th century Indian classical music was bifurcated-one went to the North, one went to the South. The South preserved this rigid orthodoxy; it's still a long argument but they claim that they have maintained the purity of Indian classical music. If you keep something from any touch of the outside world perhaps that sanctity is there but it is like stagnant water. That broadness doesn't come, whereas in North Indian music, after so many invasions from Persia, Greece, Afghanistan, and so many other places, it was enriched with different combinations. That is one of the reasons why this music being so old still has got its power, whereas in Japan, China, Korea, and all these places with old civilizations, it has almost dried out. The North Indian music is always flowing, and still today also it is flowing very nicely, like "a rolling stone gathers no moss." It is very crystalline, and still full of power. Indian musicians have heard many other kinds of music, and have tried to take something from other music also, and they're still seeking. That's a very good point, I think. I like this. Unless you take some ideas from different cultures or different people, how can you really enrich your own ideas? If you do not expand, that means death and stagnation. So what happened to our South Indian music is really a great point to think about. Nowadays there are many great musicians, of course, but many of them are trying to take something from North Indian music. But perhaps you know many great musicians who often visit the U.S. are not accepted there in South India. Why? Because they have gone to the West, because they have heard other music; it's a very orthodox style. However, in North Indian music that constant flow is there. One thing my teacher Allauddin Khansahib used to say, he being a very conservative musician, but he always used to say, "Collect anything, good thing, from any music from anywhere in the world!" Allauddin Khansahib being such a strict and conservative type, every night I can very well remember, every night from 9 till 11 o'clock. All-India Radio used to broadcast Western classical music. And every day from 9 till 11 he used to hear that, and he liked that Western classical music so much that he used to say, "Just listen to this music, how much they have perfected a note! Each note correct and so much in tune!" In that respect he used to always say that you should collect and get whatever you get from anybody, from anywhere in the world. So naturally, I used to hear all kinds of music".
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Thu May 17 22:31:13 EDT 2001
  
  Yes it is a fact that Hindustani music is based more on instruments and carnatic more on vocal. A person who knows classical music will tell you this.
  
  AND HELLO i said i wasn't here to compare North vs South music as some people here are, NOT the above mentioned music directors because we are all comparing them in this forum aren't we ??. I am not comparing the two traditions but trying to prove a wrong statement !!.
  
  

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