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Advantages of composing prewritten lyrics

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 64.136.27.31) on Tue Aug 12 11:51:47 EDT 2003.
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While listening to many old songs, the advantages of prewritten lyrics for composers and singers became evident. I will start with two examples and we can add more as we discover them.

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• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Aug 29 10:01:28 EDT 2003
  
  guys,
  After reading the lyrics excercise idea by Sriram, I will now give a melody and a song situtation to the lyric writers out there!.
  
  You can download this from
  
  http://www.srikanthd.com/media/v1.doc
  (rename it to mp3 some (work)servers dont allow you download mp3)
  
  Situation: (basic idea was given to me by my friend, who is also a popular producer for tamil movies:),
  First the idea might sound negative however this is comedy subject. There are 2 wanted persons by law, they are petty robbers or pick pockets , One is a Senior guy with tons of experience, and other one is a juninor guy, who has started, Junior wants to learnt the art, But Sr. warns him about this dirty job he does explain and gives methods to do it, but also warns him on evil side of it.
  
  In the second bgm we open with a flash back the SR guy is chased by cops, we go back to the song here the advice becomes more to avoid this nature of job. Bottom line It should be really funny!..
  
  The backgrounds will be changed , I have not played the completed version of the backgrounds.
  i call this version as vanila edition, just basic groove + chords to keep the flow. All the best!..
  Thanks..
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.122) on: Fri Aug 29 10:53:12 EDT 2003
  
  Welcome to the thread Aditya! Will listen to your version tonight.
  
  Srikanth, welcome to your tune too!
  
  Did anyone get a chance to listen to the new version:
  
  http://www.geocities.com/rjaymidi/RJAY-PadhiRaavil7.mp3
  
  
  
  
  
• From: sriram (@ 163.181.251.10) on: Fri Aug 29 11:41:39 EDT 2003
  
  Srik, I am not able to access your site. I couldn't get the v1.doc file and I couldn't get to Sridhar's song in your website. Sridhar, I couldn't download your song from your website as well.
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Aug 29 11:45:04 EDT 2003
  
  sriram, it does work for me can you please try again, thanks:)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Fri Aug 29 11:46:43 EDT 2003
  
  Aditya:
  
  Wonderful orchestral pieces ! I have become a fan of your arangements. Always pleasant. Keep up the good work !
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.110) on: Fri Aug 29 12:17:17 EDT 2003
  
  MS, thanks for your appreciation.
  
  Srik, I downloaded and renamed the .doc file to an mp3 file but still i can't play it in any media players. Is there anything more I need to do for this file?
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Fri Aug 29 12:23:28 EDT 2003
  
  aditya, it is mp3 stream.
  (you many want to check the extension, if you windows sometimes windows explore is quite brilliant in renaming, it would be v1.mp3.doc
  :)
  
  
• From: sriram (@ 163.181.251.10) on: Fri Aug 29 12:24:29 EDT 2003
  
  Srik, got it! throroughly enjoyed your song for the comedy situation. I was able to clearly visualize the scene for the second BGM. hats off!
  Sridhar, heard your song too. let me echo the others' feeling that your voice reminds us of MSV's. I could feel the steady flow in emotion, maybe because you did it in one sitting.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Fri Aug 29 15:43:03 EDT 2003
  
  Srikanth
  
  Very interesting tune, brings the action live..
  
  Here's my quick, rookie attempt at lyric-busting. Two characters - A (Arumugam, trainer pickpocket) P (Peter, student trainee)
  
  .....................
  [A]
  Yenda Peteru ethana vaatti solluven
  namma businessu unakku vaanaanda
  [P]
  Enna maamu nee mattum asathariye,
  chinna pasanga naanga uruppada venaama?
  
  [A]
  Romba thaan risku, romba romba hard worku,
  unakku ithellam sarippaduma?
  [P]
  Ayyo collegukku poikittu bus-su mela kallerinju ponnungala dagaladichathu pothumappa
  
  [A]
  Ada sonna ketkalenna naan enna pannuven, sari
  kathu tharean uruppadiya kettukko
  
  BGM 1
  .............
  
  Musically naive as I am, I got confused where the 1st BGM ends and the charanam starts. Would it be too much to ask for the charanam alone to be spliced into a separate file?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.121) on: Fri Aug 29 16:47:08 EDT 2003
  
  Here is my first cut:
  
  Junior:
  
  Bsc Msc Periya padippu padichu
  Velai thedi kalaichutten
  
  Vazhionnu kaattu vadhiyaaru annaannu
  Kaalil vizhundhu vanangitten
  
  Senior
  
  Kathikkida vishayam ekkachakkam irukku
  Mudinchadha sollitharaen kaettukko
  
  Ulagam perisu Karpadhu sogusu
  Maththadha neeyae kathukko
  
  Wrap-around:
  
  Kalavum Katru mara-nnu periyavanga sonnanga
  Kattayam Adhai Nee Kathukko
  
  CHARANAM 1
  Jebiyil kaiya vittu
  Purse-ai edukkum samayathil
  Thodai mel kai padaama pathukko
  
  Thirudina porulai
  Thirumba vaika koodathu
  Naethu edutha idathilayae
  Naalai edukka koodatha
  
  Junior:
  Sari Sari Thalaiva
  Vera Edhum irukka
  
  Senior:
  Police kaiyil maatakoodathu
  Podhujanam Kaiyilum sikkakoodathu
  
  Annadam sikkum mudha Mudha Boniya
  Anjaneyar undiyalil Saerthukko
  Adichu Pudichu KOTTTTEESWARAN ayitta
  Aspathiri School-ellam kattikko
  
  Aayiram perundu Analum un pola illennu paer nee vaangikko
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.121) on: Fri Aug 29 16:54:04 EDT 2003
  
  Srikanth
  
  Percussion is amazing, very ethnic and authentic! Good job.
  
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 138.88.63.139) on: Fri Aug 29 18:04:03 EDT 2003
  
  wow! guys great job
  Ravi and suresh very cool,
  
  suresh sure i will get an edited version with just the tune tonight.
  I am excited now I will schedule my singers now...:)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 219.65.108.112) on: Fri Aug 29 21:24:42 EDT 2003
  
  I dont know how relevent this is to this thread.. but check it out anyway!
  
  Interviews - Srikanth and Eswar.
  
  'It isn't hard to create original music'
  **Srikanth D is an inspiration for budding composers and musicians. His commitment and dedication has seen him build his own studio from scratch and create professional album with artistes-giants of the Indian music industry.**
  http://www.dhwanii.com/featuredartist/featuredartist.php
  
  "Don’t compromise on quality even if it means working 12 hours at a stretch."
  **Eswar Rangasubramoni, 30 years old, IT developer can be labelled a 'Virtuoso of Virtual Synthesis'. His creations are inspired by Carnatic ragas, painstakingly but lovingly woven with various digitally manipulated melody and bass lines. His compositions are a treat to listen to.**
  http://www.dhwanii.com/genesis/genesis.php
  
  and these articles on composing for beginners
  http://www.dhwanii.com/compose/compose.php
  
  There's also a special report on 'a website dedicated to software-based web musicians'.
  http://www.dhwanii.com/specialreport/specialreport.php
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 4.60.99.180) on: Sat Aug 30 11:37:36 EDT 2003
  
  Great discussions going on. i am too pressed to participate actively. i will post my opinions on the "advantages" issue later.
  
  RE: pAti iravil: my vote goes to RJAY's new age version... the melody is slow and fabulously introverted (which is what i think the song is). RJAY PLEASE record a full version and opst here. MS's version comes very close. The singing is first-rate. (i was wondering why there was a similarity with azhakan's songs, but later he described his inspiration :) ). sridhar's version is different; initially i didn't like it but after a couple of listening it started to grow on me; so i stopped listening to it :-).
  
  srikanth: this song is very good. when i first listened to it at school, i didnt like it, but when i listened to it at home (good speakers/headphones do help) i was bowled over, especially the drumming (specifically from around 1.45 to 2.06). i was "inspired" to write too :).
  
  i am appending my version with a delineation of the chandham as i see it (suresh, you could use this to "fix" the meter problems in your version, if there was any). this is in TSCII fonts. of course, i dont stick to the chandham "perfectly" but overall, i hope the flow is acceptable.
  
  
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• From: Udhaya (@ 67.124.238.234) on: Sat Aug 30 13:06:02 EDT 2003
  
  Aditya,
  Thanks for joining in. You're slowly gaining a signature style in your work.
  
  rjay,
  Your latest version is strikingly different with a semiclassical touch. The tune gains a lot of flavor with a female lead. Again, you will have to develop all these variations fully so they can be set as individual tunes with different lyrics. They all show that potential.
  
  Srikanth,
  A whimsical tune. Some of the interludes remind me of comedy songs from TFM's past (and no that's not a diss but a compliment). rjay and suresh have shown quite a sense of humor. I'm not sure I can compete there. aruL, I need to get back home to my computer to be able to read yours. Will do and respond to your lyrics. Thanks for pitching in.
  
  My lyrics for the male duet:
  
  
  0:01 - 0:37
  
  junior:
  veRuththup poachu
  vaervai sindha ozhaichu
  kottikka kaasillai enakku
  
  senior:
  kuRukku paadhayilae
  naeraap poaRavan
  paithiyakkaarannu kaNakku
  
  junior:
  poruLaathaarathulae
  samathuvam saekkuRa
  kaithozhil kaththukkanum vaathyaarae
  
  senior:
  hey, noattu sillarai
  vaLayal sangili
  oLichchu vechirundhaa viduthalae
  
  (veRuththup poachu...enakku)
  
  interlude 0:38 - 0:52
  
  
  0:53 - 1:22
  
  junior:
  saamip padamaa sevuthila vechukittu
  keezha adhi vatti pudunguraanyaa
  
  short interlude
  
  carula poaRavanai kandukkaama vittuputtu
  kaivaNdikkaaranappoi moRaikkiraanyaa
  
  short interlude
  
  1:23 - 1:45
  
  senior:
  kaithozhila purinjaa
  kaivilangu kedaikkum
  
  arasu vecha sattam
  paNamirundhaa mattum
  
  junior:
  thattina thiRappathu
  kadhavugaLaa? poottaa?
  
  senior:
  police thattina polakkum
  muttidaa matti
  
  1:46 - 1:51
  
  junior:
  kattuppattu vaazha
  naan piRavi edukkalai
  
  short interlude 1:52 - 1:59
  
  2:00 - 2:22
  
  senior:
  adipattu saaga
  naan aaLu edukkalai
  katchikkodi pudikka
  oru thalaivanum kedaikkalai
  
  junior:
  naermaiyaa vaazha
  oru naadu irundhaa
  enkitta vandhu solluyaa, yov
  
  seerthiruttha chemmalum
  oorukkuLLa vandhaa
  suttupoattu selaya vekkiRaan
  
  2:23 - 2:29
  
  senior:
  idhu naethalla innayalla...
  idhu naethalla innayalla
  endRum nadakkum sangathi
  
  interlude 2:30 - 2:36
  
  
  2:37 - 2:49
  
  junior:
  veRuththup poachu
  vaervai sindha ozhaichu
  kottikka kaasillai enakku
  
  senior:
  kuRukku paadhayilae
  naeraap poaRavan
  paithiyakkaarannu kaNakku
  
  2:50 -3:48
  final instrumental section
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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