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KBalachander padangalin paadalgal

Topic started by Ramki (@ nas01ppp208.apts.wmich.edu) on Thu Mar 5 22:36:44 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

We had a discussion on songs from Sridhar and Bhimsinghs movies.Why dont we do a similar analyis on
Balachanders films too?To ease the discussion I have given a listing of KBs films(it may not be complete,so
please add to the list if anything is missing)



neerkumizhi(VKumar)
edhirneechal(VK)
bama vijayam(MSV)
irukodugal(VK)
vellivizha(MSV)
kannaa nalamaa(MSV)
pathaam pasili(VK)
naanal(MSV)
navagraham(MSV)
kaavyathalaivi(VK)
punnagai(VK)
naan avanillai(MSV)
major chandrakanth(VK)
edhiroli(no songs in this film)
nootrukku nooru(VK)
poova thalaiya(MSV)
arangetram(VK)
aval oru thodarkadhai(MSV)
sollathan ninaikkiren(MSV)
aboorvaraagangal(MSV)
avargal(MSV)
nizhal nijamaagiradhu(MSV)
apoorvaraagangal(MSV)
moondru mudichu(MSV)
thillu mullu(MSV)
varumaiyin niram sivappu(MSV)
manmadha leelai(MSV)
47 naatkal(MSV)
thapputhaalangal(VijayaBhaskar)
noolveli(MSV)
thanneer thanneer(MSV)
achamillai achamillai(VSN)
kalyana agadhigal(VSN)
agni saatchi(MSV)
enga oor kannagi(MSV)
poi kaal kudirai(MSV)
pattina pravesam(MSV)
punnagai mannan(Ilaiyaraja)
unnaal mudiyum thambi(Raja)
sindhu bhairavi(Raja)
manadhil urudhi vendum(raja)
pudhu pudhu arthangal(Raja)
oru veedu iru vaasal(no songs)
jaadhi malli(Maragathamani)
vaanamae ellai(Maragathamani)
azhagan(Maragathamani)
duet(ARR)
kalki(Deva)

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Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: MSK (@ dhcp-877019741.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Mar 6 21:42:58 EST 1998
  
  NOV.,
  
  I did not comment anything abt IR here . So u'r comment " Blind worship of IR " does'nt hold water here .
  
  Next we are discussing how good the songs were/are in KB's movies and not the story line.
  
  Coming to Duet, I still have a doubt whether KB directed it or his assistant Amir jaan as the movie was pathetic. Anyway, we are not discussing the storyline here . So let it go.
  
  Take Kalki. The movie is abt a great singer - So the movie's BGM/songs are supposed to portray such an effect.? But how pathetic was Deva's Job in that movie. I could'nt help laughing when i saw the movie. I could only pity KB. Compare this with Sindhu bhairavi where every visual where Sivakumar's musical genius is portrayed. Compare with Duet .?? That's what I meant by saying songs and music in KB's movies is sub-standard these days.
  
  
  Again, Coming back to IR (remember u started abt IR - Not me ), KB was one of those BIG directors , who resisted using IR for his movies for a long time. And he was giving quality movies all the time. But finally he yielded to IR and the combo worked great. But when they broke up, I thought IR lost a good director - But looking at the quality of the movies of KB today -looks like IR's decision was good.
  
  So in Kalki/ Jaathimalli/ Vaaname ellai why was the music so sucking.?? Does'nt this mean the Music standards has come down.?? Or Kalki is a movie in a class of it's own.? Jaathi malli in a class of it's own.??
  
  Can i come up and say "Don't let u'r blind worship of KB " cast doubts over the state of the music/songs in his movies.
  
  If u liked kalki and it's great music , SO be it. But don't cast aspersions that the rest of us are Blind worshippers of IR .
  
  have a nice weekend.!
  
  Bye
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Mar 6 22:03:39 EST 1998
  
  OK. Getting back to the topic of the thread...
  
  I feel, for some reason, KB used TMS very sparingly
  in his movies. Does anyone know why?
  
  Quiz: Name all TMS songs in KB movies.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Mar 6 22:12:17 EST 1998
  
  One more quiz:
  
  piLLaiyaadi vara selvam kOdi perum nalla kaalam varuga
  uLLam pOla ini ondru sErndhuvida dheivam kaaval tharuga
  
  --indha varigaL endha paadalil varugindrana?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ nas01ppp207.apts.wmich.edu) on: Fri Mar 6 22:20:27 EST 1998
  
  SK probably bcoz TMS voice didnt suit for the heroes of KBs films.In 60s and 70s either Gemini or Kamal were the heroes in most of his films.
  TMS voice doesnt match to these 2 actors.But whenever Jaishankar was used TMS was the singer.
  
  ok TMS songs for kB movies:)
  
  1)oru naal varuvaal mummy -vellivizha
  2)2 songs for Nagesh in irukodugal
  3)muthukulikka vareegala-anubhavi raja anubhavi
  4)one song in kanna nalamaa
  5)varavu ettanna-bhama vijayam
  6)madhuraiyil parandha meenkodiyai-poova thalaiya
  7)poda sonnaal pottukuren-poova thalaiya
  8)one more song for jaishanker in poova thalaiva(the fight song)
  9)netru nee sinna pappa-major chandrakanth
  10)vellai manam konda - pathaam pasili
  11)for the Nagesh duet in baamavijayam
  12)one song for jaishanker in 100/100
  13)aduthathu ambujathai - edhirneechal
  
  avvalavu dhan theichu Keerthi
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Sat Mar 7 01:13:00 EST 1998
  
  MSK - I am sorry if I have offended you; that was not my intention. I had just seen your posting on Taj Mahal (which I admit upset me) and then had responded to your posting here.
  
  A few clarifications: I did not say blind worship of IR. What I said was your "IR-worship" (for want of a better word. :-)) Although, you had not mentioned IR, I could sense your irritation at KB, for using other MDs. FYI, I still believe that KB's best songs were when he was with IR (Manathil Uruthi Vendum and Puthu Puthu Arthangal are testimony to this - my all-time favourites), but also firmly believe that his choice of MD does not undermine his capability. It is also my firm belief, that apart from his musicals, songs in KB's movies complement his story-telling, but are not really necessary for his movies.
  
  While respecting your views on Duet, I still think that your desciption of the movie as pathetic is unfair. When you say: we are not discussing the storyline here are you trying to imply the songs were bad. Excuse me, I beg to differ!
  
  About Kalki - the movie is not about a singer, great or otherwise! I'm sure that you have confused it with some other movie. The singer plays a very small part in the movie, and as such songs were of even lesser importance. As Ramki had said, Porul thedum boomiyil and Yezhudhugiren oru kadidham were very appropriate. Comparing Kalki's storyline with that of Sinthu Bharavi is irrelevant.
  
  You are right about KB was one of those BIG directors , who resisted usingIR for his movies for a long time. Without making excuses for him, please remember that he has always been slow to changes and new technologies. Do you remember that he was still making movies in b&w, while colour was already in vogue. I don't think he had anything, per se, against IR.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu) on: Sat Mar 7 10:27:44 EST 1998
  
  
  Guys lets not bring the usual boring MSV-IR-ARR-Deva sandai here. We had enough of it.
  Lets discuss on the songs and the situations and please not on the MDs. There are several other threads for us to do those sandais:))
  
  Hoping to have a meaningful discussion ...
  
  Ramki
  
  
• From: Ramk (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu) on: Sat Mar 7 10:29:23 EST 1998
  
  Sathyakeerthi ..KB padangalil PBS evvalavu paadalgal paadiyirukkiraar???
  
  Iam able to recollect only one song
  
  'thaamarai kannangal then malar kinnangal'in Edhirneechal
  
  Are there any more songs??
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu) on: Sat Mar 7 11:09:51 EST 1998
  
  one more song by TMS in 'Major Chandrakanth'
  is 'kalyaana sappadu podavaa thambi koodavaa'
  
  
• From: RV (@ 1cust30.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Sat Mar 7 12:51:56 EST 1998
  
  TMS: Anubavi Raja Anubavi : Azhagirukkudhu Ulagile ( with Seerkazhi )
  Madras Nalla Madras
  
  Poova Thalaiya: Poova Thaliaya Potta Theriyum ( with Seerkazhi )
  Ada Saridann Podi vaayaadi
  Podac Chonna Pottukkiren
  Maduraiyil Parandha Meen Kodiyai
  
  Nootthukku Nooru: Nittham Nittham Oru Puttham Pudhiya Sugam
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Sat Mar 7 13:04:34 EST 1998
  
  who sang for (Maadi Padi Maadhu Song..) for Muthuraman in ethirNeechal?
  Boy what a movie!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ cs517.cs.wmich.edu) on: Sat Mar 7 13:40:16 EST 1998
  
  GoKul i think its by ALR but im not sure!
  
  
• From: RV (@ 1cust19.max14.san-francisco.ca.ms.uu.net) on: Sat Mar 7 13:40:36 EST 1998
  
  
  Long Digression:
  
  Since there are lot of digression about KB the director instead of KBs contribution to TFM, let me add my mite too.
  
  I am not a big fan of KB. I like his light comedies; there are invaribly good. Some of his serious movies are quite good. Most of his serious movies are half-baked. Sorry, my opinion.
  
  I rate Thanneer Thaneer as the one of the best movies ever. But rightly or wrongly, I credit Komal Swaminathan for that movie.
  
  Among his "serious" movies, I liked Major Chandrakanth, Neerkkumizhi, Edhiroli, Aval Oru Thodarkathai and Avargal. Aboorva Ragangal was kinda artificial. People who like Punnagai should see the original - Satyakam in Hindi by Hrishikesh Mukerjee. Neither movie is great, but the Hindi one was better. Seeing the Hindi one also makes me feel that many props and componenets in Punnagai are cinematic and artificial. Of course, the saving grace for the movie is the great acting by Gemini, Jayanthi, Sahasranamam, VS Ragavan etc.
  
  In fact, that is true of many KB movies. Almost everybody in his movie acts well.
  
  
  Light comedy is KBs forte. Movies like Edhir Neecchal, Bama Vijayam, Nizhal Nijamagiradhu, Thillumullu, Poikkal Gudirai are very enjoyable even today. Poova Thalaiya, Nootthukku Nooru are very good. Anubavi Raja Anubavi is the probably his only failure in cinematic terms.
  
  Many of his props are artificial. Remember the "manasatchi" of Rajinikanth in Moondru Mudicchu ? The convoluted story of Aboorva Ragangal ? In Arangetram, Pramila is raped once when the Arangetram of her friend takes place. And then she becomes a prostitute. Is that rape scene there only to provide intercuts of a dance with the rape - so that the title is justified ? Sivakumar agrees to marry Pramila. Pramila doesnt go crazy when the family comes to know about her but goes crazy then. Why ? Did KB think that the solution is too advanced and the audience wont take it ? But the ending is not consistent with the story approach! In Sollatthan Ninaikkiren SV Subbaiah is introduced as a man who goes crazy as he didnt get a promotion. He never acts crazy in that movie after the first scene! Jaya, the first daughter, falls in love with Sivakumars cook. But the whole scene is so contrived! In Punnagai, Nagesh narrates Geminis story to Major. The setup is so artificial! The list is endless actually.
  
  
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 167-77-193.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 8 00:27:55 EST 1998
  
  I would not classify KB as a great director,
  though he is better than many others.
  
  Anyways he has used songs as a very effective medium to underline
  some situations. The way some songs have been used to exploit the
  depths & intensity of situations is amazing.
  
  SindhuBhairavi:
  
  Nothing would have brought the intense desire for Suhasini
  and the resulting agony of ShivaKumar more effectively than the song
  "Thom Thom Na".
  
  The Backdrop of Roaring waves against the
  invincible rocks symbollically paint the force of his desire for
  Suhasini battling against his sacred marriage to Sulakshna.
  The words of the song drive home the inner turmoil of Shivakumar.
  
  "Asai Ennum Puyal Veesi Vitedhadi.
  AaNi VeR varai Aadi Vitedhadi"
  
  What else can describe the total submission of Shivakumar better?
  
  Yet he does not want to go without a fight, but since his inner
  self is devoid of the strength to quell his abominal desires, he
  turns to God..
  
  "Moham Ennum Intha Theeyai KonDru Poda VenDum.. KaapAi Devi"
  
  IlaiyaRaja , KB & VairaMuthu indha Paadalil KoDi Katti
  ParandirukkirarGaL!
  
  The way ShivaKumar clasps Suhasini's Hands at the end of Nee DayaRadha
  looks so natural & the implication is so subtle that the viewer is not
  hit with abruptness of the extramarital implications.
  
  More Later!
  
  

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