Topic started by mfm (@ 203.120.115.1) on Tue May 12 22:59:35 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Shall we imagine what would have happened to TFM, if there is no IR since 1976 till say, the debut of Deva, ARR etc., Ofcourse, everybody said that he made Tamilians to divert from Hindi songs. Won't it be interesting, if we can go into more detail
Without the debut of IR,
1. would MSV continued to rule TFM? for how long?
2. who would have took TFM from MSV? again for how long?
3. what would have happened to those films in which IR is the hero? (Not to mention everybody knows)
4. would there be so many no. of tamil films produced/released in that period
5. would TFM sought a MD from North India like RD Burman etc.,
Note: I would say IR is the inspiration for the present MDs.
Firstly Deva, he won't even exist without IR 'cos his compositions is Deva's Film Music Reference Manual, Dictionary, Encyclopaedia. Sirpi, SA R.Kumar etc., would also fall into this category
I welcome any corrections to my second point. Thin k about ARR... (1) he breathed the air that IR breathed (2) he was brought up under the shelter of IR (3) he learnt what is the definition of a complete Film MD (4) he is a sincere student(which ARR failed to mention) from the SCHOOL of IR specialised in complex orchestration & mixing(manual) (5) Can anybody add more...
All these not for 1 yr or 2 yrs or even 5 yrs but for 10 years - a DECADE experience for ARR with IR.
Can ARR or his fans rule out the fact that he did not benefit anything under the shadow of IR to attain the place he is enjoying now?? As many of us exclaim that IR is great creation of GOD, I think GOD also created ARR [not as great as IR anyway :-) ] to grew with IR and oneday get atleast a group of people to say that he replaced IR(which I do not agree anyway).
A few would ask why not VS Narasimhan or other veteran player in IR's team did not come like ARR. Well that's why I say ARR is a sincere STUDENT of IR School. GOD created ARR to be smart, intelligent and courageous enough to study IR for such a long time and get ARR to perform something different from what IR did. I think it can happen only for a limited period, but I wish ARR a long life in TFM & otherFM. B'cos IR is a ocean by himself, it will be a miracle if anyone can do things different from him for a long time.
Before I continue, let me get my views validated by the experts out there in DF.
Though I am hard-core, devotee of IR, I do not dislike or "hate" other MDs(ofcourse I do not listen to their songs:-). I believe there are geniune TFM fans/experts who can contribute to the imagination of "TFM without IR" and make this topic interesting & healthy.
mfm
Responses:
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- From: sats (@ 139.177.224.100)
on: Thu Jan 25 11:27:19 EST 2001
y cant we start a thread
"TFM WITHOUT DEVA"
i think it will be more interesting
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.202)
on: Thu Jan 25 11:38:11 EST 2001
Ithayum setthiko:
Ellame thoongittu irukkupothe thedeernu nai Katthu, Pei Katthu Sattham varum. Udane ennamo ethonnu Payandharathe. Radiolirundhu varuthu. IR thaatha solluvaaru, kozhandhe ithu thaan inniku thaalatu paatunnu. Unakku mothalle kathu valikkum. Udambu verkkum. Appuram pazhaki poyirum. Konja naal aana appuram athu illena unakku thookam varaathu.
Drums ellam "Saavu Adi Adikkum". Music Instruments ellam alarum. Nee thaatha kitte keppe
"Thaatha ithu ellam eppadinnu". Thaatha solluvaaru "Ithu ellaam foreignle 100 varushama irukku, namma oorukku puthusu athanaale thaan ellam peyaattam aadaraanuga. Maariamman koil thiruvizhale veppila eduthuttu aadarathu patirukke ille. Ithu konjam modern, oru step mele.
Poosarikku bathila sukku (sukvinder singh), karuvadu (kavita krish..), Injinnu aven aveno paduraan. Thamizh vaarthigala theda vendi irukku. Maariamman koil thiruvizhala saami varum. Ithu ketta "Janni" varum. Avvalavuthaan. Nee thookathile aadura theriyuma. Naan bayandhu poi doctorukku pon panninen. Inimel itheyellam patthi kavalai padamaaten.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 12:00:17 EST 2001
Fliflo:
Man! it's a bouncer...may be there's a good message in your response. I know some of the best emotions may not be possible to express in english...Anyway I will try to refer it in my Tamil to English Dictionary...
I hope you donot hate Non-Tamils to visit here.
Appa
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Thu Jan 25 12:08:12 EST 2001
Appa:
I just continued the story of vbg. It's hard to translate as you may loose the real sense of it. I am sorry for that. Appa, why should I hate you. I enjoyed all your postings. Especially, the one with all bgm's.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 12:40:23 EST 2001
Fliflo:
Thanks. Why does people hate IR in this forum so much? I understand if they hate some mediocre MD.
According to me, mother's food is always tasty...It's because the taste is acquired from the childhood...but when I taste your mother's food, it may not taste the same way as it did for you...Now you get married to some lady and her food is initially compared with your mom's prep...and after a while you acquire this taste...
Then would anybody forget their mother's food after they acquire this new taste...Yes they do because of the unavailability of the mother's proximity...The whole transition of acquiring a new taste just happens unknowingly...but there's a hidden similarity with your mom's taste that's really being FOLLOWED which brings the acceptance...
According to me, IR is kind of MOM who introduced the category of tastes Sweet, Hot, Sour, Bitter...So I respect him eternally...For others it may be some TOM...So they respect them eternally...And they SHOULD...
So it looks to me as though any successive MD is just showing the same categories...I may acquire the taste as the journey of life goes... I can't think of my current taste without the existence of my MOM...For you it might be somebody...
Well this taste acquisition is for the prepared food...Nothing would have existed if SOME IMMORTAL ENTITY has not set the formula of the essential taste like Sweet, Hot.....
Appa
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 13:08:56 EST 2001
Since this is Lunch Time for me...I think of MOM making Sambar frm the Scratch...It tasted good and unique...Now TOM makes Sambar using MTR instant sambar powder...it also tastes good...So when you appreciate TOM ( 60% of credit goes to MTR ).
Finally it's the taste of the sambar that matters:-))
- From: Muni (@ 203.197.137.127)
on: Thu Jan 25 13:25:14 EST 2001
Flifo-
It was IR who brought in 'thaarai thappattai' into film songs. There was a period when tabla sound was not heard in IR compositions except for a chosen few like the BGM violin solo of 'Poove Sempoove'. Dont disturb the child with self side goals. Then what did you say? Words are not clear with North Indian singers? Didnt you listen to IRs songs in HeyRam? Do you still agree with that!
I'll be the first person to appreciate if IR uses tamil voices as in Bharathi. But it is too late for him.
Appa - This is the time for MOMs to rest, retire and feel happy looking at Daughters in law taking the responsibility and looking after the TFM family.
This is the right time. Remember MGR did it in the right time and got the right respect. Why not Raja? There are not enough qualified composers with a variety for devotional music or folk music. Why not take it in the right spirit and do something like Kunnakkudy (ofcourse, he is a classical vidwan), TR Papa (a vidwan and composer too)or for that matter do specialised subjects as what MSV does? Music is eternal!
- From: Amma (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Thu Jan 25 13:38:00 EST 2001
Muni,
Appa - This is the time for MOMs to rest, retire and feel happy looking at Daughters in law taking the responsibility and looking after the TFM family.
Whether or not Mom is retiring, she would be forced to do that. The problem is with these sister-in-laws like appa who keep complaining about the daughter-in-laws and creating problem in the family.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 13:51:33 EST 2001
Amma:
Ha Ha...Hearty Laugh I had.
Thanks for your Sense of Humour in the midst of the heavy work schedule.
Appa
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.167.80)
on: Thu Jan 25 13:58:22 EST 2001
"It was IR who brought in 'thaarai thappattai' into film songs."
Thaarai thappatai is an instrument solely invented and used in TN. But IR's melodies overcame thappatai songs. But now there is no song without "Saavu Adi". Saavu adi illena athu paate illa. Athukkaga don't show one or two examples.
Hey Ram is more for Hindi viewers than tamil ones. Film was shot mostly in north and many north actors acted in it. what's wrong in using hindi singers in a hindi movie. But it is certainly "Kodumai" to use sukku, karuvadu singers for tamil movies exclusively. because
more than melody aspect they want new sounds in their music. That's the reason to introduce n number of singers and solely not to give a chance.
Saavu adi songs are popular in western countries. Our present day MD's just copy and blend them. I am not saying IR did not copy. But present day MD's only copy.
Same side goal podara parambarai ille ennodathu!!
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:04:15 EST 2001
Amma:
No Offense...Just an Extension to what you say...
Does it mean Brothers like "Amma" have changed after marriage...They don't like our MOM and they are one sided always...forgot about the good deeds...Gives lectures to the MOM and all of us that their WIVES are only ultimate and we got to learn everything from them:-))
MathruDevo Bhava...
Appa
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:14:40 EST 2001
Fliflo:
What does "Saavu Adi" means?
Appa
- From: Amma (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:16:53 EST 2001
Appa,
No offense... Just an explanation,
When brothers like 'amma' were young enough not to know what is good taste, they took all that Mom fed and thought Mom is ultimate. When they grew up to have their own choice and chose the best for themselves , is it just for the sisters to complain since they were not mature enough to have their own choice and still clinging to MoM?
- From: Amma (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:23:43 EST 2001
appa,
" saavu adi" means danga takkara takkara takkara
danga takkaa danga takkaa takkara takkara...
You must have been familiar with it in all maamaathathaa songs or in short 'MoM's songs.
- From: yaaro (@ 202.169.129.84)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:28:17 EST 2001
dear all arr fans typing cr*#-
i think your man has delivered nothing decent over the past 6 months-and all the recently released arr albums have all been rehashes of his old songs.reviewss in north film websites have been generally discouraging.you all have nothing to write home about-so you all seem to be indulging in your favorite pastime-trashing IR.
one thing i noticed-you all have been harping about how the best albums voting is all rigged.did u notice that arr is tops this year as md-and i have not seen any postting questioning the validity of this poll.i suppose you will all now be singing praises about fairness in voting in newtfmpage.
another thing i noticed-your man has no decent album to talk about now -hence poor MSV has become your icon by proxy.suddenly ARR fans are claiming to have discovered how good MSV has been blah blah...
dont you understand the fundamental difference between MSV-post IR and IR-post ARR?MSV had little to offer creatively after raaja came-but IR is going strong.i hope you all have noticed that freinds is tops currently despite all the hype about Harris jeyaraj(who was projected as another icon by proxy).i hope you all noticed know about his award for heyram.dont be surprised if he walks away wth the national award this year.could you have imagined MSV doing this 10 years post IR?that is where IR scores over MSV!
you can go on creting new threads and trashing IR.
something to keep yourself till you patiently wait for ARR's next album sometime in next six months and you find that these songs are nothing but his some vague songs from a hindi film which bombed.
someone in one of the threads had the audacity to state that he can predict IR's next 10 songs.well,i think we all could do that to ARR'snext movie-you have to just guess which tamil/hindi movie is going to have its rebirth!
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