Topic started by mfm (@ 203.120.115.1) on Tue May 12 22:59:35 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Shall we imagine what would have happened to TFM, if there is no IR since 1976 till say, the debut of Deva, ARR etc., Ofcourse, everybody said that he made Tamilians to divert from Hindi songs. Won't it be interesting, if we can go into more detail
Without the debut of IR,
1. would MSV continued to rule TFM? for how long?
2. who would have took TFM from MSV? again for how long?
3. what would have happened to those films in which IR is the hero? (Not to mention everybody knows)
4. would there be so many no. of tamil films produced/released in that period
5. would TFM sought a MD from North India like RD Burman etc.,
Note: I would say IR is the inspiration for the present MDs.
Firstly Deva, he won't even exist without IR 'cos his compositions is Deva's Film Music Reference Manual, Dictionary, Encyclopaedia. Sirpi, SA R.Kumar etc., would also fall into this category
I welcome any corrections to my second point. Thin k about ARR... (1) he breathed the air that IR breathed (2) he was brought up under the shelter of IR (3) he learnt what is the definition of a complete Film MD (4) he is a sincere student(which ARR failed to mention) from the SCHOOL of IR specialised in complex orchestration & mixing(manual) (5) Can anybody add more...
All these not for 1 yr or 2 yrs or even 5 yrs but for 10 years - a DECADE experience for ARR with IR.
Can ARR or his fans rule out the fact that he did not benefit anything under the shadow of IR to attain the place he is enjoying now?? As many of us exclaim that IR is great creation of GOD, I think GOD also created ARR [not as great as IR anyway :-) ] to grew with IR and oneday get atleast a group of people to say that he replaced IR(which I do not agree anyway).
A few would ask why not VS Narasimhan or other veteran player in IR's team did not come like ARR. Well that's why I say ARR is a sincere STUDENT of IR School. GOD created ARR to be smart, intelligent and courageous enough to study IR for such a long time and get ARR to perform something different from what IR did. I think it can happen only for a limited period, but I wish ARR a long life in TFM & otherFM. B'cos IR is a ocean by himself, it will be a miracle if anyone can do things different from him for a long time.
Before I continue, let me get my views validated by the experts out there in DF.
Though I am hard-core, devotee of IR, I do not dislike or "hate" other MDs(ofcourse I do not listen to their songs:-). I believe there are geniune TFM fans/experts who can contribute to the imagination of "TFM without IR" and make this topic interesting & healthy.
mfm
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- From: amma (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Wed Jan 24 17:23:06 EST 2001
Don't cry baby don't cry. Ir maama has aged and become IR mama thatha now. All bala mama is saying is mama thatha should leave way for new ammaanjis who have young blood and better system. Otherwise the system would get along without the mamathatha. That's all. It is for the good of mama thatha that bala mama says so.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 17:42:39 EST 2001
Unga Appa Uvaacha!
You're better in speaking Tamil than English ( Are you???). How many times have I requested you to construct a good english sentence? OK this time I will surely gift you Wren and Martin...till then TFM DFers please ignore whatever Amma Says...because Amma donot know how to communicate that IR has played a very important role in the evolution of current trend in the Indian Film Music. Amma thinks something and write something else...
Appa
- From: ammaavin piLLai (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Wed Jan 24 17:47:11 EST 2001
Mr poda or is it pagoda?,
I like your idea of numbering your replies but I think you are using a different numbering system than the one we know. Also like a typical IR interlude the numbers are not in a proper sequence or a system thus creating an illusion of having answered more questions than actual questions are.
for eg,
898. Same with rajni kanth and others.
cannot be tied to the proper answer to find what is same.
- From: appaavin veppaatti (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Wed Jan 24 17:53:55 EST 2001
appa,
"...because Amma donot know how to communicate "
Instead of gifting me wren and martin you can use it first to understand the construction of sentences with third person singular.
adhu sari, isaikkizavanai pathi yEnungO thamizla pEsakkoodaathu?
- From: baby (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Wed Jan 24 17:58:57 EST 2001
amma & appa ipoo neenga poi vilayadunga...
msv kolluthata,ir thatha, rahman anna ellam bore...
na deva mams gana patu kekapoooren...
hppa hppa...iyepa......kanula kashu kathu ppa...
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:16:59 EST 2001
Amma:
Meanwhile listen to the following song and let me know if you are in a position to appreciate the following song - if not I think you donot belong to this thread:-))
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/rgireesan/926473588/kaakkai/kaakkai7.ram
Guys, without Ilayaraja, I am sure about one thing that not just TFM but the whole India would have been devoid of this kind of melody.
Appa
Thanks to Ramaswami Gireesan...
- From: baby (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:26:26 EST 2001
EppA,
idhu namma kolluthatha oda "chinna kanne chitirai kanne patu pola iruku...illai....Charanam part emppa isthatuku pOrdhu...konjam enna thavam seidhanai patu pola vera iruku...tabla vera ore nadai vasikudhu...hppa hppa...iyepa......kanula kashu kathu ppa...
- From: amma (@ 129.253.193.141)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:28:42 EST 2001
appa,
Thanks but I do not have sound card in my workplace. Besides nobody disputes that IR was great. But the point is he is dispensable today. Keep harping on old glory is no good.
- From: baby (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:33:38 EST 2001
amma antha pattu enna hunumar bakthi pAta...?
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:44:44 EST 2001
Amma:
I think the Topic was what will be TFM without Ilayaraja...we are not here to judge whether he's dispensable...yes he's dispensable if you never wanted to listen the following kind of songs...
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/rgireesan/926473588/pm/pm2.ram
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/rgireesan/926473588/varusham/varusham5.ram
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/rgireesan/926473588/kalyanam.ram
Just to Name among few...Thanks to Gireesan...
Appa
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:49:10 EST 2001
Hey Baby:
What's going on with you? DO you need a soothing a pacifying music to sleep...Here comes one for you...Sleep don't make noise...
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/opapa.ram
BTW, this is from IR's Geethanjali ( Telugu ).
Appa...
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 18:57:55 EST 2001
TFM DFers,
Can you imagine somebody else capable of touching your emotions with BGM...Here are few to listen...then comment what will be the state of TFM or rather FM itself...
Title Music...
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/titles.ram
Heroine Says I Love you For Fun...
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/gitasays.ram
Hero Plays the Piano
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/prakashpiano.ram
Hero Searches for the Heroine
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/prakashsearch.ram
In Warmth of Hero;s Hands...
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/warmth.ram
Climax
http://www.sailu.com/ir/media/finale.ram
Now decide...
Appa
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.168.222)
on: Wed Jan 24 20:45:31 EST 2001
Appa:
Konnuteenga. Inga Pechu Mooche Kaanom.
- From: Asareeri (@ 205.227.43.13)
on: Wed Jan 24 21:00:46 EST 2001
Bala,
>> 8. Sharing of work among MDs without greedy overbooking for themselves,
Do you think if ARR completes songs for a movie in less than a month, producers/directors would be using Deva and SAR and likes? Prods/Dirs know that ARR's songs sell-- but can't use him either because they can't release the film within a year, or because they can't afford him. Naturally, the next-line MDs get chances.
Where did greed get in? IR accepted movies because he knew he could deliver on time, not because he didn't want any one else to be in the scene. You make it sound like IR deliberately called every prod/dir in the field, and booked all their forthcoming movies for himself.
- From: Appa (@ 24.4.252.137)
on: Wed Jan 24 21:24:44 EST 2001
Appa can't understand Tamil, please can you speak in english. Appa loves Tamil Music and so comes here.
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.251)
on: Wed Jan 24 21:53:30 EST 2001
Appa:
Your name tells whether you can understand or not.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 09:07:47 EST 2001
Fliflo:
So why not help me?
Appa
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Thu Jan 25 10:18:11 EST 2001
Appa:
You can awake a sleeping guy. But you can not awake somebody, who acts like sleeping.
- From: vbg (@ 203.199.236.19)
on: Thu Jan 25 10:45:13 EST 2001
FYI:
Poda - 83898,'Azhaathe ma Kannu'!
12323 Appa tune post panni pottu kaatuvaru,
92129 Fliflo - samadhanapaduthuvaru,
IR Thathavoda paduthu thoongumma! Thaathavey inakki (?)Kolluthatha MSV, KVM paatu ellam kettututhan thoonguvaru! Avaroda neeyum thoongina nalla Paata kekkalam. Onakkum Gnanam varum!78788.
IR Thatha Pudhiya paravai, Aayirathil oruvan Rerecording tracks muttum kettutu, kadhayaye solvaaram,(Appa athaiyum gnanathoda download pannuvaaraam),Nee keppiyaam!
ARR anna, Deva Anna music ellam pottukaatuvaaraam! ARR anna Vande Matharam ketu, nee siricha kooda, 5545 IR thatha Azhuduruvaru!5234.
Desa bakthiyoda 'Manitha Manitha' orey oru communism paatum, 'Raam Raam HeyHey Raam' appidinu urumura paatum kettu nee azhudha kooda, Aananda kanniraa Fliflo mama mathiri, Appa mathiri nenachikuvaaru!Pullarichiruvaaru!888.
Mozart, beethoven maathiri ellam ezhuthi oneman show kaatuvaru! yella playarum vaasikkama thaniya kayyai aati music satham kondandhuruvaru.(Rock band illaye avaruthu 4399), Ketukkoma chellam, 8343 poda mama cholrarulla!
Inimey IR thata 'gouravama' retire aayi, padam edupparam, pullaingallam music pannuvaangalaam, kudumbahthukullaye paatu ellam mudichikalamaam. Koodave Arulmozhi chinna thathavum, VS Narasiman thathavum assistantaavey iruppangalaam 8798,. Ithuthando kozhande innaikku IR illatha TFM.
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 11:02:29 EST 2001
vbg:
I am sorry that I fail to understand Tamil - can you please take sometime to translate the same into english - or any noble soul can do this favor to the non-tamils like me. May be you are not aware of the fact that Tamil music is appreciated by all over india and there are a lot of non-tamils visit here to express their interest in MSV,IR,ARR,KR,YSR etc.,. Man! this is a wonderful site - I can't think of any good site of this kind. It's kind of addiction...Tamil Films have produced great composers for the world.
Appa
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