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The Rhythm of Raja

Topic started by Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.167) on Sat Mar 31 09:28:42 EST 2001.
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Dear Friends,
I am starting this thread as of late I happen to hear people saying that "Raja is for Melody and Rahman is for Rhythm"! But in my opinion, Raja is the King of Everything! Because in Rhythm, He has done songs with rhythm instruments only like :

1)"Raja Rajadhi" - Agni Natchathiram
2)"Ilam Nenje Vaa" - Vanna Vanna Pookkal

etc.,etc., I would like to get more of His special rhythms! Please post relevant postings only!

NOTE : THIS THREAD IS FOR TFM FANS ONLY WHO KNOW RAJA'S HISTORY AND WHO DON'T MAKE ANY USELESS AND MISLEADING COMMENTS! PLEASE BE DECENT TOO!

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Responses:

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• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Apr 3 10:11:46 EDT 2001
  
  Kumar your statement is like 'shenbaga pandiyan' muthuraaman saying pulavargaLae santhamaaga viLayaadungaL pulavargaLukku indha shakthi thaevaithaan aanal adhu sandayaaga maarakkoodadhu
  
  now, im waiting to see the reply of 'Siva'ji ganesan sandayum sachharavum pulavargaLin paramparai sothhu... Vijay & Bala ready..jute... :-))
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Tue Apr 3 13:27:32 EDT 2001
  
  flifo:
  In my earlier posting, I asked a doubt. I asked others to correct me if I am wrong. The reason for me to write so is all these days I have been beleiving that that perticular song is by chandrabose. I played bangos on some function for that song when I was probably 13 or 14. I was taught by a guitar teacher, who probably did not like IR and I remember him saying that IR over uses flute very much almost in every song. I think that he told me that the perticular song is by CB and since he taught me to play bangos for that perticular song I beleived that IR could not have done music for it. I did not cross check.
  
  Can you give me a link to prove this. I am still not convinced as I have been beleiving it otherwise for years.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Apr 3 14:25:56 EDT 2001
  
  A guitar teacher who does not like IR (strange :) ) and who thinks IR overuses flute teaches somebody to play bangos for a song which relies on guitar and flute..Interesting..
  Did Chandrabose do songs with this level of guitar or flute playing ? With strings, carnatic and rockish style interludes in one song ?
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Apr 3 14:34:28 EDT 2001
  
  CF: pUvE chempUvE was composed by ir. the movie has two more good songs: enathu vizhi vazhi mElE and thEnmozhi anputh thEnmozhi. chandhrabose started out as a good composer. he could have been a tough competitor to ir if he had retained the magic of "mAmpUvE ciRu mainAvE"; but no.], he lost it soon and did movies like viduthalai (which had a sweet song - nIlakkuyilkaL reNdu) and rAja chinna rOjA (both of them in the late 80's as was chollath thudikkuthu manasu).
  
  re. flute and ir: yeah! ir did "over use"flute in his songs. he uses flute as a "filler" instrument in lots of his songs. maybe, he read cilappatikAram before he entered tfm and wanted to put in practice the principles outlined by iLangkO!
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 199.67.140.20) on: Tue Apr 3 14:42:15 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  I was taught by a guitar teacher, who
  probably did not like IR and I remember him saying that IR over uses flute very much almost in every song. I think that he told me that the perticular song is by CB and since he taught me to play bangos for that perticular song I beleived that IR could not have done music for it. I did not cross check.
  
  It seems, you also learnt to hate IR from him also:-)
  
  e.hari
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 166.90.248.158) on: Tue Apr 3 15:09:10 EDT 2001
  
  e.hari..
  you got it...CF Nallatha maatum guru vidam irunthu katru kollunga
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Tue Apr 3 15:19:08 EDT 2001
  
  
  "I am still not convinced as I have been beleiving it otherwise for years."
  
  I donno whether you have habit of buying golden oldies..Being a music lover of everybody's, I believe you do so. Do you have any stipulations in going for IR's gems. Then let me explain you. If you happen to buy 5 different albums of IR atleast 3 of them contain the above said song. Conversely, buying KJY albums, you find this particular one so often repeating in many albums, if not in every one. I am sorry if are unaware of this song. However, you being both IR and ARR listener (what you profess), I was little surprised to see such a doubt. Moreover, if you get a chance listen to the song deeply, (I post it for you http://www.swara.com/index3.shtml?string=Solla%20Thudikkuthu%20Manasu&index=movie)
  it is so typical of IR and listen to the total, effortless fluency with which instruments transform. How unfeelingly can you offer this Regal chair to Chandrabose. Oh man...don't devalue your future claims by committing such slip-ups....
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Philosopher (@ 12.29.192.65) on: Tue Apr 3 15:51:53 EDT 2001
  
  I'm 200% sure Poove Sempoove is IR - I saw the movie, have CD and Cassette and it is IR.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.167) on: Wed Apr 4 01:45:59 EDT 2001
  
  CF, Sun TV pAkkaRathundA? Some early mornings they play `Ilayaraja hits' (many of them gems)...poovE sempoovE is often telecast as part of this...In the movie Radharavi sings it as a part of a band...
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.53.235) on: Wed Apr 4 02:22:58 EDT 2001
  
  yes, the only consoling factor in that JUNK JUNK UGLY UGLY movie is the music by IR... man, what great songs wasted in a totally junk movie... in my whole life time, thats the most JUNK movie i have ever seen...
  
  
• From: vd (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Wed Apr 4 04:01:14 EDT 2001
  
  Fundamentally, what's the different between melody and rhythm, even tough one knows them distinctively...?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Wed Apr 4 13:16:01 EDT 2001
  
  guys,
  Don't blame my teacher who taught me guitar. I was with him for just one and a half years. It was my mistake for not cross checking the fact. No body else told me either, before this.
  I have not listened so much of this song. Yes, I come accross this song in tv, but that heroin looks too bad and I usually pass on to some other channel. I might have did so as I have been thinking that it is by CB and I don't have any facination to listen to him.
  
  Another good reason, why I thought it is by CB is, if you listen to that song in between the charanams the music becomes very noisy and hard. And suddenly, the melodious voice of KJY comes. I still don't like this transition in that song.
  I happened to say the same thing to some of my friends, when we used to listen this song by chance and I used to say that that is how an ameture MD used to compose, bringing in non related transitions in between the song.
  
  Any how, I accept my mistake.
  
  
• From: arai drouser senthil (@ 207.188.29.249) on: Wed Apr 4 14:12:38 EDT 2001
  
  "I happened to say the same thing to some of my friends, when we used to listen this song by chance and I used to say that that is how an ameture MD used to compose, bringing in non related transitions in between the song. "
  
  CF Annaen - ithu eppadi Neenga school la (manichukungO office la)
  ARR'n Vanthe Matharam paadina kathai mathiri thaana?
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.124.253.221) on: Wed Apr 4 14:20:47 EDT 2001
  
  CF
  I'm saddened that even 18 months (or more) of music training couldn't help instil a sense of appreciation or a ear for the unique in you.....
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.54.19) on: Wed Apr 4 14:38:00 EDT 2001
  
  CF - u r wrong..... if u really have the patience to watch the movie, u will know why that sudden change in the music was there..... but u really really really have to have a hell lot of patience.... (u know that was the intro movie for that heroine, and she did DOUBLE role.... i have never heard any actor/actoress making a DOUBLE role on their introduction movie).....
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.36) on: Wed Apr 4 16:22:40 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan
  
  Wasn't it Saranya, who played the heroine? Wasn't she intoduced in Nayagan?
  
  Anyway, as kumudham said, the name of the movie should be
  
  'so'vukku badhil 'ko'
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.54.19) on: Wed Apr 4 16:38:47 EDT 2001
  
  saranya ? u confused me doubter :-)
  
  but i doubt it is Saranya..... i think she was an "arimugam" only in that movie..... not sure....
  
  
• From: Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.216.235) on: Wed Apr 4 17:08:21 EDT 2001
  
  Some more Unique rythms:
  1. Maasi Maasam Aalana Ponnu - Dharma Durai
  2. Kaviriye Kavikuyile - Adutha Varisu
  3. Ilamai enum Poongatru - Pagalil Oru Iravu
  4. Darling Darling - Priya
  5. Veenaikku Veenai Kunju - Ellame en Raasathan 6. Kadhal Oviyam - Alaigal Oivadhillai
  7. Muthumani Chudare Vaa - Anbulla Rajinikanth
  8. Poovile Medaiyai Naan - Pagal Nilavu
  9. Nila Adhu Vaanathu Mele- Nayagan
  10.Vedhalam Vandhirukkudhu - Soora Samharam
  11.Paadum Neram Idhudaan - Soora Samhaaram
  12.Ponmeni Urugudhe - Moondram Pirai
  13.Isai Medaiyil - Ilamai Kalangal
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed Apr 4 17:45:28 EDT 2001
  
  On the topic of Rhythm, I want to share my opinions on IR's usage of instruments. He has used tabla, mridhangam and drums very well. He has these percussion alone and in combination creating unique rhythms. For eg. his usage of drums will teach a trick or two even to a top level rock group (I would even say Mickey Hart would be impressed). I have never mridhangam used like in say, varam thantha sAmikku in sippikkuL muthu or andhi mazhai in rAja pArvai. We all how well he used tabla. This even prompted a UK tabla artiste of Indian origin (Talvin Singh) to collaborate with IR on a album.
  Also, it was not just percussion that was maintaining the rhythm in IR's songs. The interludes many times did not have any percussion but still managed to keep the rhythm and mood.
  Sometimes I think people are incorrectly thinking it is only percussion that can maintain rhythm. (In another thread on AM Raja I have mentioned how rhytmic the songs themselves are)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Apr 4 18:48:06 EDT 2001
  
  More rythmic songs of IR..some of them ought to give spontaneous dancing,
  
  Vennilavu Kothippathenna..
  Pani vizhum Iravu Nanaindhathu Nilavu
  Paatu Thalaivan Paadinaal Paatuthaan
  Naan Paadum Mouna Raagam
  Raasave Unna Nambi
  Puthiya Poovidhu
  Oh vasantha Raaja
  Aathaadi Paavaada Kaathaada
  Malai Koil Vaasalile
  Aadi Varum Pallaakku (I love India)
  Dilbaru Jaane (Kalignan)
  Kaatiloru (Kaathirukka Neramillai)
  Aasai athigam (Marupadiyum)
  Saandhu Pottu oru Sandhana Pottu (Thevar Magan)
  Muthirai eppothu (Uzhaippali)
  Chembaruthi Poovu (Chembaruthi)
  Kaatukuilu Manasukkule (Dalapathi)
  Aatama Therottama (Captain Prabakaran)
  Veetukku Veetuku (Kizhakku Vasal)
  Raajathi Raaja (Mannan)
  Vaanam Namakku (Anjali)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 5 11:26:53 EDT 2001
  
  Sabesan and suresh:
  
  I did not undergo a formal music trainig. It was just a class in one of schools and it was an hour period twice a week. I took up guitar class, just to escape from the sun , because I would have been doing gardening or something else if I had not taken up guital class.
  To be a music lover I don't think that one need to have a formal music knowledge. And to come to a conclusion that all musically knowledgable person should like IR is also cruel. Every body has their own taste. I have already mentioned what IR means to me. I have also mentioned that I have not listened to all his 4000 songs and many songs passed me without me knowing that it is from IR.
  
  I think you people are still caught up with VM. It's hard to digest fact.
  As I was answering to a specific question on VM on some thread, I can again very well say that VM still is popular ,if not amoung others, atleast amoung you.
  
  

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