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Raja "upsets" Anu Malik and Lata sings her first Hindi song for Raja

Topic started by Fliflo (@ tnt1-161-95.cac.psu.edu) on Fri Jul 13 09:00:47 EDT 2001.
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• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Fri Jul 13 14:59:18 EDT 2001
  
  CF,
  
  RS would have certainly preferred ARR, more so, after Pukar's success. And yes AM could have been the next as he is a hit and quiet saleable now-a-days.
  
  And maybe this is where he might have seen an opportunity to be a little different and try something unusual. I'm sure he would have been impressed with IR's BGM in films like Guru, Hey Ram, Sethu etc and may have thought of utilising his services. This, in all likelihood, may not be his own decision. Someone else might have also made this suggestion to him and things might have materialised.
  
  Anyway, one can't be sure why he chosse so till one hears either from himself or from a reliable source!!!
  
  
  
  
  
• From: krishna (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Fri Jul 13 15:18:17 EDT 2001
  
  I would guess IR, having achieved "ego needs" (as in Maslow's theory of heirarchy of needs: fame, recognition, admiration, appreciation, being the the #1 in the industry for a long time)is not motivated by the same needs as others are....I think he is in the "self-actualization"phase which is very evident to me and hence you see his efforts to set BGM to symphony scores, accepting the challenge to set songs with different tune to already picturized shots as in "Hey Ram" or providing mind blowing music for projects like "Guru", "Bharathi", "Karuvelam Pookal"...accepting projects novel experimental like "Kutti", "Akka"..projects like "India 24 Hours" etc. I would think that he is less concerned about what Santoshi or Anu Mallick thinks of him...having recieved glowing accolades from people like Naushad and Chaurasia and others. I can relate to this...It may be worth noting that he may not be motivated by the same things that would motivate some one that are motivated by "physical" (wealth, money) or "ego" (fame recognition, power) needs.
  
  
• From: IR fan (@ h192-11-221-117.outland.lucent.com) on: Fri Jul 13 15:29:39 EDT 2001
  
  RS is very close to Kamal. Kamal was supposed to do Ghayal and Ghaatak(both had sunny deol in the lead). Infact Ghayal was co-written by Kamal with RS. The HFM market conditions wanted a co-hero along with Kamal for saleablilty which kamal refused.
  I am sure Kamal would have played a big part in in persuading raja to accept Laaja.
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Fri Jul 13 16:03:25 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  Ur "I wud strongly take offense to this statement" is more of an "ego" outburst. IR does'nt think that way. What Krishna said has sense. He would certainly care less as to what they think. In fact, don't you think he is not letting criticism affect him anymore!!??
  
  "I want IR's help in my bad times but I prefer to let go of him during my good times" - sure IR has seen a few of such instances. He knows such things happen in life...they don't bother him anymore
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ roswebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Fri Jul 13 16:15:05 EDT 2001
  
  I thought Kalapani was a hit in Hindi.
  
  
• From: rubb rubb rubbja (@ pppa51-resalerockford1-3r7238.dialinx.net) on: Fri Jul 13 16:18:53 EDT 2001
  
  i think Raja did play it cool by accepting the lajja song and bgm offer. in fact, today the public is not keen on the quality of the output but the noise behing a decision.
  
  so, IR must receive more notice now than he could get at the time of Sadma, Chaila, Mahadev or any other movies where he gave mindboggling compositions and went noticed because you had an audience of donkeys north of the deccan plateau....
  
  now, giving a absolutely straightforward and without frills number in lajja you will see the donkeys wake up and bray along with the song... it is a very simple lesson Raja has learned over 25 years that there are audiences where little is itself too much for them to take... step by step in small doses like plain dosas without massala the donkeys will enjoy it better i think...
  
  but, the point iss... lajja is no lajja for ir fans, but the donkeys should be given gajja, bajja,sabja and eventually ganja in small doses because so far ganja, sabja, bajja and gajja were given in the wrong order...
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 12.144.36.2) on: Fri Jul 13 17:31:20 EDT 2001
  
  Peter Pan,
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  "Anu Malik clapped after hearing IR's composition"
  >>>>
  
  I agree that Anu Malik has lifted a lot of IR's tunes and made his musical living. But I do not see anything wrong in Anu Malik Clapping for IR's composition. That is after all a nice gesture. If IR composes such a nice song and if I were with him at that time I would have also clapped my hands. That's a natural human reaction. As I have said many a times here, let us not make this forum as a "IR rasigar mandram" type of a thing. Be realistic!.
  
  
• From: (@ 213.40.67.66) on: Fri Jul 13 17:35:46 EDT 2001
  
  This is a review of Lajja - Thanks God for IR!
  
  From This disappointing score gets an extra star rating for the stroke of genius that closes this album. The divine Lata Mangeshkar teams up with musical maestro Ilayaraja for the first time in a Hindi film. The Nightingale has sung Tamil songs for the musical marvel. This is her first song in Hindi for him. And what a coming together it is!
  
  Usually, the mukhda is the most attractive part of a song. But Ilayaraja's Kaun dagar enters the stanzas with such rare and precise elegance, and his orchestration is so brilliant, you want him to do more Hindi films right away, especially now when the man who stole his thunder seems to be at his lowest ebb.
  
  A lyric about ravaged womanhood, Kaun dagar is a composition worthy of Lataji. Which is more than what we can say about the rest of the score by Anu Malik. His best bet in the album is the two-version Kalyug ki Seeta. One version is pepped up by the irrepressible Shubha Mudgal, who returns to Anu's territory after Aks with more fuel for the fire.
  
  One quibble about this track - We wish the credits had taken the trouble to acknowledge the lovely alaaps by Mahalaxmi that accompany Mudgal's singing. In comparison, Anuradha Paudwal's version of Kalyug ki Seeta is pretty pale. Pretty, but pale.
  
  Also, the lyrics about Ravan ravishing Sita in every era is cliched. The same holds true of the entire score, which doesn't seem to deliver the forceful melodic message that we expect from this album. Badi mushkil is another version of Chamma chamma, which Anu probably wanted to do in honour of Baz Luhrman. Originality be damned.
  
  Even Saajan ke ghar jaana hain (sic) (why the added "n" in the credits?), which gets the honour of being featured twice over, is pretty vapid stuff in spite of layer upon layer of orchestral affectations, when compared with Alka Yagnik's wedding song for A R Rahman in Zubeidaa.
  
  As for Jiyo jiyo, Sameer can certainly do better than Life is like ice cream, pal pal pighalti jaaye. A slurp on the face, what? And by the way, the usually capable KK sounds more like Anu than himself.
  
  Lajja's songs once again prove that Rajkumar Santoshi doesn't have much of a music sense. Thank God for Ilayaraja, who is doing the background score of Lajja, and whose one contribution to this soundtrack in Lataji's voice elevates the banal to the beautiful
  
  This disappointing score gets an extra star rating for the stroke of genius that closes this album. The divine Lata Mangeshkar teams up with musical maestro Ilayaraja for the first time in a Hindi film. The Nightingale has sung Tamil songs for the musical marvel. This is her first song in Hindi for him. And what a coming together it is!
  
  Usually, the mukhda is the most attractive part of a song. But Ilayaraja's Kaun dagar enters the stanzas with such rare and precise elegance, and his orchestration is so brilliant, you want him to do more Hindi films right away, especially now when the man who stole his thunder seems to be at his lowest ebb.
  
  A lyric about ravaged womanhood, Kaun dagar is a composition worthy of Lataji. Which is more than what we can say about the rest of the score by Anu Malik. His best bet in the album is the two-version Kalyug ki Seeta. One version is pepped up by the irrepressible Shubha Mudgal, who returns to Anu's territory after Aks with more fuel for the fire.
  
  One quibble about this track - We wish the credits had taken the trouble to acknowledge the lovely alaaps by Mahalaxmi that accompany Mudgal's singing. In comparison, Anuradha Paudwal's version of Kalyug ki Seeta is pretty pale. Pretty, but pale.
  
  Also, the lyrics about Ravan ravishing Sita in every era is cliched. The same holds true of the entire score, which doesn't seem to deliver the forceful melodic message that we expect from this album. Badi mushkil is another version of Chamma chamma, which Anu probably wanted to do in honour of Baz Luhrman. Originality be damned.
  
  Even Saajan ke ghar jaana hain (sic) (why the added "n" in the credits?), which gets the honour of being featured twice over, is pretty vapid stuff in spite of layer upon layer of orchestral affectations, when compared with Alka Yagnik's wedding song for A R Rahman in Zubeidaa.
  
  As for Jiyo jiyo, Sameer can certainly do better than Life is like ice cream, pal pal pighalti jaaye. A slurp on the face, what? And by the way, the usually capable KK sounds more like Anu than himself.
  
  Lajja's songs once again prove that Rajkumar Santoshi doesn't have much of a music sense. Thank God for Ilayaraja, who is doing the background score of Lajja, and whose one contribution to this soundtrack in Lataji's voice elevates the banal to the beautiful
  
  
• From: (@ 213.40.67.66) on: Fri Jul 13 17:37:09 EDT 2001
  
  Kaun dagar, composed by guest composer Ilaiyaraja is nothing worth writing home about. Save the fact that one gets to hear Lata Mangeshkar after quite a while.
  
  FROM REDIFF - They really hate South Indians - we should protest!
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Fri Jul 13 17:45:22 EDT 2001
  
  Yes, AM was just appreciating IR's work. Well, many have seen IR at work and i'm sure AM would have learnt quiet a few things. Sure many others would have done the same...watched their seniors at work and pick up a few things!!!
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90) on: Fri Jul 13 19:54:58 EDT 2001
  
  Here's another article that appeared in the Times Of India.
  Titled "Lata Mangeshkar sings for Ilayaraaja"
  
  http://www.timesofindia.com/today/14ente3.htm
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat Jul 14 01:03:35 EDT 2001
  
  Peter Pan....At least the truth has been mentioned in this article in the end !
  
  

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