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Topic started by saw virumandi (@ 67.125.27.215) on Thu Jan 15 01:18:52 EST 2004.
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I saw Virumandi by paying extra.
Why KAMAL..? Why u proved all that told by K.Balachander in Virumandi VIZHA.
It is better to have directors like BHARATHAN ( DEVAR MAHAN ) to deliver a good interesting movie.
Virumandi was very raw and not able to sit in the second half.
Dont confuse the audience with ur confused state of mind.
Iam UPSET and my friends ridicule me as a fan of yours.

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• From: Cinefan (@ 61.95.199.254) on: Tue Mar 9 05:09:39 EST 2004
  
  http://www.webulagam.com/cinema/cinenews/0403/08/1040308018_1.htm
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 61.95.199.254) on: Tue Mar 9 05:27:40 EST 2004
  
  http://sify.com/movies/imagegallery_slideshow.php?gid=13422640&imgidx=1&gname=Down+South+Box+Office:+Jan+&+Feb,+2004&lid=1
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 61.95.199.234) on: Wed Mar 10 05:33:29 EST 2004
  
  http://tamil.sify.com/movies/interview.php?id=13422905&cid=13154224
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.196) on: Fri Mar 12 00:13:42 EST 2004
  
  
  Friends,
  
  I have one more observation! When VirumaaNdi is on the run (almost into a jungle), Nallamanaicker (Napoleon) stops him, offers him refuge / support. When VirumaaNdi hesitates (because of hangover of old rivalries), he tells him " En udhavi paNRennu paakkaRiyaa? edhirikku edhiri naNban" and tells him to hurry up as the police and KoththaaLan are around! But, after watching the movie till the end, one can easily say that Nallamanaicker helped VirumaaNdi not because of this theory but based on more wholesome values such as " Manushanukku manasudhaandaa court!" , " ennikkum saththiyamthaan jeyikkum" etc., which he strongly believes in! (In fact, he even gives his life for these principles!) To that extent, this dialogue unnecessarily dilutes his character!
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Fri Mar 12 13:55:53 EST 2004
  
  CV,
  
  Nallaman might have delivered the 'ethirikku ethiri' dialoge to convince Virumaandi in a hasty manner.
  
  Nallaman knows that Virumaandi is too pea brained to understand the 'manasuthaan koettu' logic. He also knows that Virumaandi, having been completely brain washed by Koththalan thus far will be suspicious of Nallaman's intentions. Further, both Nallaman and Virumandi know that Virumandi gave false testimony against Nallaman's people.
  
  Keeping in mind all this, Nallaman confronted Virumandi in a way Virumaandi would understand.
  
  But, if all this was to be explained by a character in the script, then the movie should have been shot as a Mega Serial. It is assumed that intelligent audience will draw some conclusions on their own.
  
  Makes sense? Just my 2 cents.
  
  
• From: multi (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Fri Mar 12 17:01:20 EST 2004
  
  As an add on:
  
  "Further, both Nallaman and Virumandi know that Virumandi gave false testimony against Nallaman's people." - This proves to Nallaman that Virumaandi is not a firm beleiver in the 'manasu thaan koettu' theory.
  
  
• From: enna (@ 68.126.220.132) on: Sat Mar 13 00:37:37 EST 2004
  
  eley ennagada vera velai vetty illaiya
  
  
• From: 'enna'voda paiya (@ 172.137.42.56) on: Sun Mar 14 03:13:51 EST 2004
  
  yirunthaa yen naina inga vanthu vetti pechu peasarom? summa soliya paathuttu poviyaa
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 61.95.200.90) on: Mon Mar 15 05:41:32 EST 2004
  
  http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=13429359
  
  Latest box office figures in Tamil
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.210.33.172) on: Tue Mar 16 06:17:29 EST 2004
  
  mnt n multi,
  
  the scene in which Annalatchumi is abducted happens almost at dawn when Viruman comes out for a cofee.. then she will be beaten,harrased etc., by Kothalan and she hangs herself around midday but Virumandi comes in search of her only after Dusk! Where was he all those time.. Didnt he immlty start off behind Rasukaalai and Koataichamy?
  And how come Kanthimathi Allows the people who claim to have come frm Bank at such a time during Dawn?!! Moreover she is also a former resident of Sinnakolarpatti Village, doesnt she know Rasukaalai and Koataichami??
  
  BTW,
  Did anyone of u feel a sad emotion underlying in the song Unnaivida.... Was IR trying to make us visualise the future of this now happy couple???
  
  
• From: mnt (@ 198.73.152.99) on: Tue Mar 16 13:45:16 EST 2004
  
  Rajasaranam,
  
  Your observations are valid. But, my point is that minor details like this cannot be all explained in the script for the simple reason there is not enough time. Glaring inconsistencies in the script are one thing, but what you have pointed out are minor details in my opinion. I say this, because not having answers to them does not in anyway take away from the overall movie.
  
  Most Tamil films assume the audience are idiots and try to explain everything in detail. But the movie going experience, at least for me, is enhanced when some conclusions are left for the audience to make. This way, the movie going experience continues even after you have left the theatre.
  
  With this in mind, let me try and address your observations. Remember, these are just my conclusions. They are not right or wrong answers.
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  >the scene in which Annalatchumi is abducted happens almost at dawn when Viruman comes out >for a cofee.. then she will be beaten,harrased etc., by Kothalan and she hangs herself around >midday but Virumandi comes in search of her only after Dusk! Where was he all those time.. >Didnt he immlty start off behind Rasukaalai and Koataichamy?
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  Annalatchumi and Virumaandi leave in the night and travel all night to arrive at their destination in the morning. This establishes that it is a long trip from CK Patti to where ever Kanthimathi runs her little shop at. Annalatchumi is abducted the next morning.
  
  My guess is that who ever came to abduct Annalatchumi also destroyed or hijacked the motorcycle they travelled on. This leaves Virumaandi with no easy mode of transportation and it takes him longer to get back to CK Patti. This explains why he only arrives after dusk falls.
  
  Now, if this were an average Tamil movie, there would have been a car parked conveniently with keys in the ignition. The hero would have jumped into it, chased after the bad guys, jumping over vegetable carts and chicken traps in the process. He would have killed all the bad guys and saved the heroine. And of course the police would have never showed up to investigate the killings. All’s well that ends well. Subam. But I know you will agree that this is not an average film.
  
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  >And how come Kanthimathi Allows the people who claim to have come frm Bank at such a >time during Dawn?!! Moreover she is also a former resident of Sinnakolarpatti Village, doesnt >she know Rasukaalai and Koataichami??
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  We see Kanthimathi at Appathaa’s funeral. That’s it. The relationship between her and Virumaandi is that Virumaandi took the blame for something her son did in Singapore, and she loves him to death for that. She need not be from CK Patti, unless it is said somewhere explicitly and I missed it. So she need not be able to identify Rasukaalai and Koettaichami.
  
  Assuming you’re right and she is from CK Patti, my guess is that Rasukaalai and Koettaichami would have gotten or threatened someone else to go talk to her. After all, they would know that she would identify them for who they are and not take them for bankers. As for her not suspecting anything about them coming so early, why would the poor illiterate woman suspect anythig? She does not know that Virumaandi has run away from CK Patti. All she knows is that Virumaandi boasts quite often about the money he has in the bank.
  
  Now, it may seem like I am bending over backwards to defend the movie. I am not. I am just trying to prove my point that not all details need to be explained threadbare in the movie. The audience should be allowed to think a bit.
  
  Sorry about the rambling post
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Tue Mar 16 17:29:05 EST 2004
  
  These are all minor goofups agreed. The major one is the last 25 mins where the whole movie becomes one big joke - like a KSR movie. Kamal could have avoided spending 20 mins on those jailbreak scenes and the subsequent riot scenes.It made a mockery out of whatever preceded it. Also the interview at the end reg. capital punishment seemed stuffed in and made no connection with the main narrative. I also thought the alternate versions used as a narrative ploy was not quite necessary for this movie and was just a gimmick although it was novel.It would have made more sense to have it if this were a whodunit kind of thriller.But in a movie trying to convey a serious point across it seems a little out of place IMO. We could have had one long version by Virumaandi, who is the capital punishment victim after all.
  
  "I am just trying to prove my point that not all details need to be explained threadbare in the movie. The audience should be allowed to think a bit.
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  well the question is did Kamal think of all these in the first place, leave alone the audience :-)
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.196) on: Wed Mar 17 00:02:25 EST 2004
  
  
  Friends,
  
  One related question still remains! VirumaaNdi and annalakshmi are on the run for a few hours, which includes their famous(!) dip in the 'allikkuLam', covering around 4 minutes of the 'onna vida' song. Then they reach Kaanthimathi's house where they spend roughly dusk to dawn (covering the remaining 2 minutes of 'onna vida'). In the meantime, ChinnakOLaaRupatti (including KoththaaLan, raasukkaaLai & KOttaichchaami) wakes up to the eloping of the couple and raasukkaaLai & KOttaichchaami promptly land up at Kanthimathi's place right at dawn! How come? Were they lucky in their first search itself?
  
  Another hazy area! I was never very sure whether the jailbreak is in Chennai or down south! Because, PEykkaaman, a policeman at nallamanaickenur police station seems to have graduated into a deputy jailor in the meantime! (He even says something like ' I wrote the exam in 2000 and got promoted') But the location of the jail remains unclear! (Of course, you may shrug it off saying 'How does the location of the jail matter?')
  
  
• From: Cinefan (@ 61.95.200.193) on: Thu Mar 18 00:34:15 EST 2004
  
  http://www.hindu.com/lf/2004/03/09/stories/2004030911640200.htm
  
  Kamal's press conference
  
  

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