Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.82.70) on: Fri Apr 5 04:45:34 EST 2002
  
  the violin bit in "Apple penney nee yaaro" from "Roja koottam" sounds damning similar to "Meri mehbooba" from "Pardes"... et tu Bharatwaj?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Fri Apr 5 10:19:45 EST 2002
  
  Vj:
  Exactly. Not only that when "unnai naan paarthadillai" follows and the rest of the pallavi it is a ditto "meri mehabooba"'s Zara thasveeru leke.
  
  Karthik S:
  This time you have to give credit to JL and Brand this BW (Even though I like him much) and Person trying to ape Deva.
  
  BW---It is a bad thing for you. Return back to your originality. Too much it is.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Apr 8 00:50:37 EDT 2002
  
  Yes, there are sure shot traces of the Pardes number in that 'apple penne' number. On that note, about the other Bharadwaj (in HFM, incidentally...even though it might be inappropriate to add it here, I'm doing so 'cos this is one scoop that has to be shared!)...remember the Maachis (1996) number 'Chod aaye hum'? Remember the whistling in that song? It also had some incredible lyrics by Gulzar! Well, who could forget that! But the point is its a direct lift from the song 'il campo di pallone' which was part of the soundtrack for the 1994 Italian movie 'Caro Diario' (Dear Diary). The composer of Caro diario was Nicola Piovani who was also the composer of the Oscar winning 'La vita e bella', better known as 'Life is beautiful'. Wonder if Vishal and Gulzar saab saw the movie in some international film festival in Mumbai and decided that this piece was too good to resist!!? Listen to both the clips at my site - http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Apr 10 03:27:45 EDT 2002
  
  Just wanted to check - does anybody have any clue if the song 'chudithaar aninthu vantha sorgame' from Poovellam Kettuppar is inspired by a 80s pop hit? Gotta mail saying it is but no other details. Could very well be a hoax but just wanted to cross-check if somebody knows this.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.81.60) on: Wed Apr 10 04:51:08 EDT 2002
  
  IMHO getting inspired is awright but straight-lift or recyle is not
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu Apr 11 04:06:53 EDT 2002
  
  Carrying from the Gemini thread...
  
  Bharadwaj is originally from Malaysia, or so I read in one of his interviews long back.
  
  Has anybody heard the original of the Gemini title song by 'The Keys' - the malaysian tamil pop band? Where can I find a version online?
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.204) on: Thu Apr 11 07:44:13 EDT 2002
  
  Bharadwaj is from Malaysia?
  Ithu aniyaayam Karthik. :)
  
  He does come here now and then and even was the judge for a talent quest last year (this year Haris Jeyaraj is the judge) but I doubt that he is a "copy cat."
  
  Malaysian rock paadalgalai ketkka oru thani koottam irukku; it does not appeal to the masses. :)
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Fri Apr 12 02:30:16 EDT 2002
  
  If deva does it it is copying , if IR does it it is divine vision or privileged intepretation in c minor of F major!
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Fri Apr 12 04:30:02 EDT 2002
  
  vengayam,
  u prove to be one...
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri Apr 12 06:01:45 EDT 2002
  
  vengayam: U might have a point here, but ivvalavu melottamaaga intha vishayathai paarka mudiyaathu!
  
  ROTFL: I might have confused Bharadwaj with some other composer (probably Oviyan) but remember reading something along the lines that Bharadwaj was composing in Malaysia before Saran called him. In Vikatan I think! Not sure now!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.138) on: Fri Apr 12 07:32:59 EDT 2002
  
  PIM
  Irunthaalum vengaayam illatha samayal, ennavendru theiryum ille? :)
  
  Karthik
  No, I am certain that BW is not from Malaysia. Anyway, you don't want any musicians from Malaysia. :)
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Fri Apr 12 08:12:20 EDT 2002
  
  Bharadwaj is from Tanjore.
  
  The guy who did music for 'swarnamukhi' (siraj?) is from Malaysia.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.202) on: Fri Apr 12 08:24:01 EDT 2002
  
  Chanced to hear `sollAyO sOlaikkiLi' from alli arjuna (music ARR) on Cbe AIR. A couple of lines in the saraNam is a straight lift from `inji iduppazhagi'. (I read in one ARR interview that this was one Raja song he admired very much -even lamented that his remarks like this are not reported - but should the admiration be shown like this?:-)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri Apr 12 09:04:09 EDT 2002
  
  Ramki,
  
  MD of Swarnamukhi - Swara raj
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.133) on: Fri Apr 12 10:25:02 EDT 2002
  
  Yeah, I think Swara Raj is from Malaysia.
  
  Eden
  I don't think that ARR has ever been "inspired" from IR. He goes back earlier times like MSV or non-Tamil stuff. :)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.202) on: Fri Apr 12 10:26:47 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFL, may be, but please compare these two saraNams...
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.133) on: Fri Apr 12 10:37:30 EDT 2002
  
  Athukku Karthikoada karunaiyai naadanum. :)
  Karthik, please...
  
  
• From: RS (@ 67.112.200.120) on: Fri Apr 12 11:06:08 EDT 2002
  
  Karthik S,
  
  Can you please put up the Nimbuda Nimbuda number form Hum dil de chuke sanam in ur copied lists..? It is a direct lift from a folk album . the original composer was featured in the TV prog Surabhi some time back ( around the time of the release of the film ) and he had even performed it LIve in France in some India festival ! The title of the album was also something like "Indian .....in France"?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Sat Apr 13 02:44:41 EDT 2002
  
  eden:
  >>>
  Chanced to hear `sollAyO sOlaikkiLi' from alli arjuna (music ARR) on Cbe AIR. A couple of lines in the saraNam is a straight lift from `inji iduppazhagi'. (I read in one ARR interview that this was one Raja song he admired very much -even lamented that his remarks like this are not reported - but should the admiration be shown like this?:-)
  
  I have heard this allegation number of times and have replied to it number of times.
  It is not a lift at all. Yes, it seems to be similar, but only when you try to force the Inji song into the solllayo tune.
  Leave that , the inji iduppazhagi it self is a copy of SDB song
  "Yeh dil dewana hai". I think I am saying this 100th time in this forum. This information was shared by SPB and he showed where the similarity lies. I have heard this song and the middle portion is a heavy inspiration from Hindi. SPB termed that as an example that shows how great people have mutual respect to each other. But, if ARR does that then it is crime. Poor guy, he is not great..a simple human.
  
  
• From: Indian (@ 203.197.150.254) on: Sat Apr 13 05:14:59 EDT 2002
  
  Common Friend : which film is this "Yeh dil dewana hai" from?
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Sat Apr 13 07:06:42 EDT 2002
  
  Common Friend,
  
  I am hearing this for long (inji iduppazaga copied from a SDB Song) ... is there some way I can listen to this original hindhi piece ?
  
  Inji iduppazahga is one of my all time favourite songs and I really want to know if it is 'inspired' or 'copied' from some other tune !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: ollon (@ 213.65.88.243) on: Sun Apr 14 07:54:30 EDT 2002
  
  ollon
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.116) on: Mon Apr 15 02:07:53 EDT 2002
  
  CF, I'm not talking about the pallavi. (No need for me to force anything into anything. I just heard on radio a song whose saraNam had a note-for-note resemblence to the saraNam of inji. It was actually my wife who first heard it and commented which made me listen to the 2nd stanza - we both didn't even know it's an ARR song till such time it was broadcast another time on Radio)
  
  Well I'll no way defend Raja if there had been a Hindi original. (Pls go through the archives where many of postings condemning his lifts like darling,darling / kanavu kANum / kaN malargaLin etc.)
  
  However, the reason that Raja would have taken it from a Hindi song does not give ARR a license to automatically lift it. He has got his own reputation to guard you see:-)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Apr 15 04:08:42 EDT 2002
  
  RS:
  
  (Sorry folks, didnt know RS's mail ID, thats why)...you're right, I've been trying to get the original but havent been able to so far. The original is by a Rajasthani folk singer by name Ghazni Khan Manganiyar. Read more about this controversy here...
  
  http://www.india-seminar.com/2001/501/501%20shubha%20mudgal.htm
  http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/byauthor/aditichaturvedi/dpp33.html
  http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/220900/HTC01.asp
  
  
• From: PS (@ 213.121.212.121) on: Mon Apr 15 05:18:10 EDT 2002
  
  I have been listening to darling3 recently-I really cannot find any resemblance at all to the boney M song.In fact the song has very good orchestration.can someone please listen to both songs and correctme if I am wrong?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Mon Apr 15 07:36:31 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru:
  I too was not talking about the pallavi. I can understand what you can saying. It is just my musical illitracy that makes me use some confusing terms.
  
  But, from a far sight I will look as same as both the IR and ARR songs charam has a continous flow (how do you say that...I don't know). But, you cannot equate it to copy or other thing.
  Regarding the hindi song, I don't remember the film. Let me give you the first four lines of it. Let some body try to find out the hindi film..Please help.
  
  The lines are....
  
  Yeh dil deewana hai
  dil to deewana hai
  deewana dil hai yeh
  dil deewana
  
  Sing this with the tune of Inji iduppazhagi or "pon kazhuththil maalai ida" part.
  
  If I am still confusing, then sorry I can't help it.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Mon Apr 15 07:49:41 EDT 2002
  
  read
  >>>from a far sight I will look as same as both the IR and ARR songs charam has a continous flow (how do you say
  
  as
  
  from a far sight it will look as if both the IR and ARR songs are same as the charam has a continous flow (how do you say
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments