Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Tue Mar 19 15:57:27 EST 2002
Sinduja,
I thoght pallavi in Snehidane was kind of Jonpuri(although not pure)....can u view it in such a perspective for one more time?
- From: R (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Tue Mar 19 16:00:08 EST 2002
There is a track in Nothing but wind named "Mozart I love you"....can anyone explain what is the correlation between mozart and that composition?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.177)
on: Tue Mar 19 22:08:32 EST 2002
IR,
Sorryyyyyyyy.........:-)!!!!!!
Maanatha vaanganam-nnu kekkalai,I was genuinely surprised!!
Ram,
Cool!It never occured to me b4 that it sounds like Jonpuri too,now that u've said it,it really does.
- From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66)
on: Wed Mar 20 00:55:14 EST 2002
Please listen to this song Or Poomalai from Iniya Uravu Poothadhu. Can somebody confirm if this is a kalakkal of ragas - Hamsanandi, Vasantha & another raga. The song is available in Dhool.com, under 'O'.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Wed Mar 20 07:52:48 EST 2002
Ram, pallavi is so short and as he changes ragas in the charaNams, it is difficult to get a "feel" for the really "intended" raga of the pallavi. It would indeed sound like "most" offshoots of Natabhairavi. YOu are right and Sindhuja is also right. Saramathi and Jonpuri are all offshoots of NB and they all sound similar. If an entire song is composed in "a" raga, we would have more opportunities to listen to some of the "sancharas" (raga traces) and conclude. If you listen to the song starting from "netru munniravil...", you would agree with me!!! In such cases, it would be safe to say it is Natabhairavi based!!!
There are definitely Sindhu Bhairavi touches too -especially in the lines - "vaazhvin ellai varai vendum vendum" - typical SB phrase!
Saramathi takes all the notes from Natabhairavi in its aarohanam and jOnpuri takes all the notes from Natabhairavi in its avarohanam!!!! It is not wrong to say that it sounds like either of these!
Saramathi
Sa Ri2 Ga2 Ma1 Pa Dha1 Ni2 Sa
Sa Ni2 Dha1 Ma Ga2 Sa
Jonpuri
Sa Ri2 Ma1 Pa Dha1 Ni2 Sa
Sa Ni2 Dha1 Pa Ma1 Ga2 Ri2 Sa
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Wed Mar 20 07:54:22 EST 2002
:-) Sindhuja - no problem!! a few people here call me "sOmberi"!!!!
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Wed Mar 20 16:23:16 EST 2002
IR kaapathineenga!!!!Illaina Sindhuja Height of absurdity nu thitti iruppanga(Hey Jus Kidding)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Wed Mar 20 16:24:45 EST 2002
OOOPs!!!Sindhuja manichukkanga unga postinga seriya padikkama ularitten...hehehehe....
- From: Sindhuja (@ )
on: Wed Mar 20 22:42:04 EST 2002
Ram,yennai kandaal avlavu bayamaa???!!!;-)
- From: ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Thu Mar 21 01:00:34 EST 2002
Illaiya pinna....ippo ellam pathu thadava yosichuthaan ovvuru postingum panren:-)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Mar 21 01:48:11 EST 2002
venkatesh, oor poomalai from iniya uravu poothadhu is "hamsanandhi".
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Thu Mar 21 02:25:07 EST 2002
R:
It has been inspired from one of the allegros of Mozart. This piece is also supposedly the inpirations for two more songs:
(1) peNNalla peNNalla oodhappoo - By ARR
(2) pEsum maNimuththu rOjaakkaL - By MSV
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.179)
on: Thu Mar 21 04:13:44 EST 2002
Ram,I feel honoured!!!!!!(kidding,of course!)
hello all!innum oru maasathukku naan varamudiyaadu-nnu nenekkiren-coz of my wretched exams!Will miss these interesting discussions for 1 month!
I just hope I don't get tempted and come online too often.
o.k.Padikkanum. Bye.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:05:54 EST 2002
MS,
I find PeNNalla peNNalla oodhaappoo similar to "Sa Sa Sa ni dha sa ni - pa ni dha - ma dha pa ma ga - ni ve dha" (not the tune but the composition structure - flat notes) (I think this song is form a Balachandar movie - Gowthami, Rahman and Srividhya - Nee paadhi naan paadhi??)
What are your thoughts?
- From: ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Thu Mar 21 14:51:43 EST 2002
Appadi nimmadhi(sindhuja as usual kidding)
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Thu Mar 21 16:16:15 EST 2002
:-) ram - super a vayatherichal a kottareenga :-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88)
on: Thu Mar 21 20:14:29 EST 2002
IR,
Etho nammalala mudinchathu.....
enakkum appadi paartha ella masamumthaan exam.....examkku bayantha inga post pannave mudiyathu....India maathiri oru semesterukku oru xam iruntha nimmadhiyathaan irukkum inga oru sem la 5 xam vechu ellathukkum 10% weightage kudukkaranga....athai thavira Homework,assignment(naan school naalaiye athellam senchathillai)....
namma vazhkai soga kadhaiya pochu enna seiya.....hmmmmm
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 22:13:28 EST 2002
Ram - if u need to vent, please do. But u shd understand that you are not alone :-)
IR:
Basically they follow shankaraabaraNam notes. don't they ? There is one portion of nivedha which is "ditto" of a phrase from "raara vENu".
"gaa ri sa ri ri ri
ri sa ni dha dha dha
dha pa ma ga ga ga.." and more..
Structure of these songs are similar..? sandham vEra maadhiri irukke..
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Thu Mar 21 23:41:38 EST 2002
MS thanx...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Fri Mar 22 01:07:35 EST 2002
May be u did not get what I tried to imply..I am a student too :-) and so..u have company:-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Fri Mar 22 01:12:21 EST 2002
MS I got u.....namma veetla current pona adutha veeta etti paathu curret poi iruntha santhosha paduvom illai?antha mathiri oru santhoshatha kuduthakku thanx nu sonnen....
sorry for not xplaining.....would u mind teling ur whereabouts?
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.128.8)
on: Fri Mar 22 03:08:07 EST 2002
what raagam is 'thendral vandu' from avatharam ?
(nasser and revathi on screen....)
exam irukkara kozandaigalkku best of luck!
- From: Dr.M.Bala (@ 211.24.3.193)
on: Fri Mar 22 03:17:47 EST 2002
can anyone suggest to where i could find discussion on Taalam & Taala Nadai in tamil songs. Of course, it is Aathi Taalam chatustara nadai has been widely used. but i like to know the songs uses other nadais in various taalam
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Fri Mar 22 03:53:45 EST 2002
Mandu,
that is an agmark Natabairavi(Sinduja vera illai dayirayama adichu sollalam)......
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Fri Mar 22 04:06:26 EST 2002
Is Azhagu Malarada in Vaidhegi kaathirunthal set to raag Boopalam/bowli?....
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.165)
on: Fri Mar 22 04:31:38 EST 2002
Ram,naan inge daan irukken!too bad-I'm not able to control myself-I'd better get serious,I guess this will be my last post until next month.
BTW,isn't azhagu malarada very clearly hindolam?
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Fri Mar 22 04:51:32 EST 2002
Azhagumalar ada Chandrakaunsa illai bhoopalama?G3 ya illai G2 vaa?
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Fri Mar 22 04:52:11 EST 2002
Sindhuja nice to see u back....Best of luck on ur xams
- From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.128.8)
on: Fri Mar 22 12:01:38 EST 2002
thanks.. was thinking of the same.. but too scared to air my opinions here.. ;-) ..
and what about 'mun paniya'? .. yany ideas?
btw.. self also has exams. crib crib. in fact my position is prbbly far worse, a month or so more and i shall join the ranks of the unemployed graduates of India. Heheh hehe.. inda veetlai current mattum pogalai, connection cut aayiduthu!!
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Fri Mar 22 12:11:28 EST 2002
MS - Sandham paththi sollala - the composition itself- the style - it has lots of flat notes and very few gamakas - western style composing. (yes, it is set in ShankarabharaNam )DO you feel the similarity in those 2 songs?
mandu, I believe it is in ShankarabharaNam. recent a kekkalai. Sindhuja would get mad if I say this :-) :-)
Ram, Sindhuja illai nna udanae super aa adichu vidunga ;)
Dr. M.Bala, there was discussion a while back in this thread about ragas and nadais. You may want to read Old Responses. But if you want information, there are plenty of websites. The links are also given in that discussion! (hehehe, it was more a vaakkuvaadham ;) right vijay?? :-)
Azhagu malar aada from what I remember is a mix of both HindhoLam and Chandrakauns. Would confirm after listening to the song again. I vaguely remember the usage of Ni3 in interludes.
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Mar 22 12:50:19 EST 2002
I was going thru some music sites eventually landed up here and got quite interested. i think Azhagu malar aada is based on the Raagam
' Saalagam' ( this was told in a music lecture in chennai)which resembles hindolam and kalyanavasantham.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.17)
on: Fri Mar 22 12:58:09 EST 2002
Anu, are you sure it is Saalagam???? Saalagam is a melakartha raga (#37) - it is infact the Pradhdhi madhyama conterpart of the 1st Melakartha raagam - kanakangi. The notes are very very different. Ri1, Ga1, dha1 and ni1....
I think you are talking about Sallaapam - it is the Ga3 version of HindhoLam.
I believe Azhagu malar aada takes Ga2.
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Mar 22 13:08:48 EST 2002
yes, saalapam if thats the name of the raaga(sorry from the rusted mind!). there was a lecture diferentiating hindolam, suddhahindolam, saalapam, chandrakauns in which the demosntrater specified the rag to be 'saalapam' & gave an eg. of 'azhagu malar ada' and another ilayaraja scorer 'kanavaa illai kadhaiya'(not sure abt the movie).
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.27.94)
on: Fri Mar 22 14:43:14 EST 2002
One more Sallapam is "Isai arasi" in film Thaai Moogambikai(I vaguely remember that this raga is also called as Soorya but not sure)....
IR,I did think it had a lotto chandrakauns but anga anga bhoopalam maathiri thonichu.....got a bit confused....I was jsu asking what it was and was not taking any stance reg. that song....
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