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SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced

Topic started by greatest_spb_fan (@ 212.2.14.241) on Thu Aug 2 04:57:19 EDT 2001.
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why don't anybody start a thread like 'SPB the greatest singer that India had ever produced', pls

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• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Jan 17 11:23:20 EST 2002
  
  RAYCAS;my dear friend
  
  This thread is not 4 ARR, I never bashed ARR 4 any reason, well if that's how u took it, then it is not my fault, I am big fan of ARR,SPB,IR,KJY,PS,SJ,M.rafi,KVM,BalaMurali Krishna, Ghantasals,AMRajah, PBS...etc, OK.
  
  I am not the only one who said "'ARR is not using spb because he is afraid of sharing the success with him", so do not start on me 4 some reason, many felt that way!!!
  
  Since when I have insulted IR & ARR, never in my life, they are both great, while IR is greater than ARR.
  
  WHY NOT;
  
  what is ur bloody problem, huh?
  what do u mean by >>"but at least when the Indians set themselves on fire, they don't try to simulatneously set another 100 people on fire at the same time,"<<, r u saying I am provoking others in thi thread, why can't u accept the fact SPB is the greatest ever & shut up.
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Jan 17 11:26:47 EST 2002
  
  RAYCAS;my dear friend
  
  This thread is not 4 ARR, I never bashed ARR 4 any reason, well if that's how u took it, then it is not my fault, I am big fan of ARR,SPB,IR,KJY,PS,SJ,M.rafi,KVM,BalaMurali Krishna, Ghantasals,AMRajah, PBS...etc, OK.
  
  I am not the only one who said "'ARR is not using spb because he is afraid of sharing the success with him", so do not start on me 4 some reason, many felt that way!!!
  
  Since when I have insulted IR & ARR, never in my life, they are both great, while IR is greater than ARR.
  
  WHY NOT;
  
  what is ur bloody problem, huh?
  what do u mean by >>"but at least when the Indians set themselves on fire, they don't try to simulatneously set another 100 people on fire at the same time,"<<, r u saying I am provoking others in thi thread, why can't u accept the fact SPB is the greatest ever & shut up.
  
  
  SORRY 4 THE DOUBLE POSTING!
  
  
• From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Thu Jan 17 11:57:28 EST 2002
  
  hey raghu,
  thank u so much for considering me as ur dear friend...
  i'm sorry if my posting was too much directed at u, actually it was meant for all of u fanatics there, but after all, it was u who took up the duty of defending u and ur fellow-fanatics, u played the 'leader' of that rat-pack, so i addressed my posting to u.
  it may be true that u didn't bash arr, but if i remember that stupid thread...my god...
  
  "I am not the only one who said "'ARR is not using spb because he is afraid of sharing the success with him", so do not start on me 4 some reason, many felt that way!!!"
  
  so u are agreeing to this stupid statement??? my god...how old are u by the way? i read somewhere u wrote something about 'office', so i guess u must be in working position, so no dumb teenager anymore...but then i don't understand how u can come up with such an idiotic theory...i mean i don't expect anything better from these idiots like 'dinesh' and 'raaga musical'-something, who regularly post crap in all threads...but u?
  
  sad...
  
  raycas
  
  
• From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Thu Jan 17 12:04:10 EST 2002
  
  "why can't u accept the fact SPB is the greatest ever & shut up."
  
  this message was not for me, i know, but whynot, please let me answer this question.
  
  raghu, as u wish, we will shut up, but only if u do the same...
  
  raycas
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Jan 18 04:38:17 EST 2002
  
  Raycas;
  
  Yeah, I do work in an office, I work as computer software programmer (SQL, C++, Visual basic),I am also a post graduate in Computing, I am 25.
  
  >>"ARR is not using SPB because he is afraid of SPB sharing the success"<<, I agree 2 a certain extent, because ARR used SPB to gain fame in his initial albums, like Roja, Gentleman, Duet, Ashokan,..etc, but he has limited SPB songs to a very minimal after 1996, he introduced a stupid idiotic trend of nasal singers such as Hariharan, Udit narayan, Sukvindher Singh, ...etc,other MDs including the great IR have followed ARR's footstep. What do u say for that?
  
  Raghu
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Jan 18 04:45:27 EST 2002
  
  Raycas;
  
  I admire ARR' talents, I never bashed him, If i Did I would not have opened a thread 4 him, pls visit it.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/2971.07.45.04.html
  
  
• From: vellaikaran (@ 216.144.70.231) on: Fri Jan 18 17:25:24 EST 2002
  
  Raghu;
  
  how r u man? did u know that SPB's MunPaniya Mudhal Mazhaiya is chart topper, it's been at first place 4 the last two months!
  
  
• From: Ali (@ 149.99.15.182) on: Fri Jan 18 20:28:40 EST 2002
  
  Hello Raghu :
  
  I haven't posted in a while cause I have been busy. Just wanted to tell you that I do accept your offer about discussing the attributes of both Rafi and SPB. So why don't you or someone else break the ice. By the way, just wanted to ask how many years has SPB stayed at the top of playback singing. He started in 1966 but was at his peak from around 1975 to 1992 and this is where he reached his maximum point. What do you and others think ?
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri Jan 18 21:37:26 EST 2002
  
  raycas,
  thanks for taking the initiative to answer on my behalf. Very well said indeed.
  (In raghu's language, "well explanation")
  :-)))
  
  
• From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Sat Jan 19 08:23:50 EST 2002
  
  raghu,
  
  see, the greatness of a voice is not restricted to certain attributes as u would like to have it. spb, kjy and so on have certain 'things' in their voices which appeals to a maximum amount of the mass...their bass, their depth and so many other things, their capability to sing like the perfect voice of tamilians or malayalees...
  all agreed, but, the human ear is not only concipated to listen to the 'perfect' voice, but also to voices which sound different, like nasal, soft, rough and so on...just because the typical characterization of hariharan's voice is nasal, that doesn't necessarily mean that his voice is 'bad'. first of all, after a certain limit, there are no good and bad, but ony tastes. fact may be u and many others don't like nasal voice...okay, no problem, that's ur taste and we respect that. u may not like unnikrishnan's soft voice, okay, no problem, ur taste and we respect that, or u may not like shankar mahadevan's rough voice, okay, again no problem, it's ur taste and we accept that. but all this doesn't give u the right to condemn those voices u don't like. i mean, there is a fine difference between 'not liking something' and 'condemning something as bad'. speaking very generally about music genres for example, i would dare to say that typical techno music is bad. the reason for this is: how is a typical techno song built? the same hard beat throughout the whole song, which somehow seems to have the duty to hypnotise u somehow, and then some 'melodies' (if u can call it so) with the syntheziser, nothing special. and these 2 things are mostly the main ingredients for a techno song. so summarizising, on the one hand every little kid could make such a song, and on the other hand, no serious musician with a commitment to make good music would ever do something like this. so, this is a level where u can differentiate between 'good' and 'bad'. but then, when it comes to the details, there u only have tastes, and nothing more.
  in another thread i had written about an analogy. the beauty of a woman. of course there are some widely accepted opinions how a beautiful woman has to look. for example i'm not sure how many men would say that a 250 kg weighted woman is beautiful (hey, don't misunderstand me girls, i'm not attacking weighted woman, just speaking from the side of an aesthete). but then if it comes to the details, such as nose, eyes, mouth and things like that, then i'm sure there will be a lot of people who would say that they would like a girl with a slightly broken front teath (like manisha koirala - best example. one of her front teath is broken a bit) or look at kareena kapoor...surely not a 08/15 beauty...but there will be surely many people who will be liking her longly face and so on. so here, u definitely can't define kareena kapoor as ugly.
  and it's the same with all the different voices. nasal is not equal to bad, soft is not equal to bad and rough is not equal to bad.
  
  now coming to the other thing about arr and spb. do u know arr personally raghu? my strong guess is no. okay, then i'll tell u i know 2 people who know arr personally. in yahoo's e-group arrahmanfans there are two guys called iyer vijay and ranojoy who had the pleasure in meeting arr. actually it was vijay who first met him. and he has written a long report about his meeting with arr, what he said, what he did and all that. and i can assure u arr's image of a calm, down-to-earth and god-fearing person is absolutely true. it's no fake or whatever. so, now think: how wicked-thinking must he be if he thinks that he'll have to be afraid of sharing his success with spb? i mean, would any normal person think in that way? arr is the music composer, spb is the singer. both are popular in their own ways. arr has had enough hits without spb, even pre-1996. thiruda thiruda, bombay, karuthamma, rangeela and so on had no spb in it at all, didn't these albums bring success to arr? so there is no sense at all in saying that arr depended on spb to gain fame. a composer remains composer and a singer remains singer. if a composer comes with a really bad song, not even spb could make that song an highlight, okay, maybe he could make it a bit better, but not much. but if a composer comes with a really great song, any of the - let's say - good singers could make it sound good. of course, with one singer it might have sounded a bit better than with another singer, but i still believe it's the song which needs more importantance than the singer. there are so many song in which i don't care if the singer is chithra or sujatha or sadhana sargam. u know once yesudas said 'when a certain song is being composed (written), then a particular singer is already destined by fate to sing it, and no one can change that.'
  so, spb was destined to sing the songs he sang, and that's it. not more and not less.
  
  u said other md's including IR are following this trend of using hariharan etc. instead of spb. so what do u think why they are doing that? do u really think they are doing that just because they want to follow a certain trend and be somewhat cool or what? or do u think there may be a certain serious intention behind their decision of not using spb? i'm almost sure u think the first way, cause that seems to be ur type of logic. u r like someone driving in the wrong direction in a oneway, but thinking all the others are driving in the wrong direction...
  
  raycas.
  
  p.s.: hey raghu, i'm into the same direction as u, but at the beginning, am doing a course in computing, c++ and visual basic in main, 20 years old.
  
  
• From: Manzoor (@ 204.157.41.68) on: Sat Jan 19 14:48:45 EST 2002
  
  Raycas,
  
  Thats was a long posting from you, took a while to complete it. Well, you are right abt what you mentioned about ARR personal character.
  
  Infact, I had the opportunity to meet him in 1 or 2 instances. Once at his wedding reception.
  
  Anyway, about singing I believe a voice defintely determines the song too. It may not be all song. But for some songs. One example, take Pen Ala Pen Ala.. song from Uzahavan, what do you think if ARR had sung the song or Udit N. Thats one example only. But consider some fast beat songs, any dumbo can sing these days, bcos the trend is like that.
  
  As for a singer pre-determined to sing a particular song, there has been a couple of instances when SPB has sung the song which KJ was supposed to sing, 1 I remember was bcos KJ said the music was too high vs and the MD was Deva.
  
  For being a fanatic, I dont think none is a fanatic here, it just happens that pple tend to go out of control sometimes by pointing out other pple. But as for the comment on the ARR success dependent on SPB, I would not agree, but remember as even told by SPB in many shows, a song is totally not in the hands of the MD or the singer, it starts from the situation,lycrisist, MD and finally the singer. So even if the song is good, doesnt mean that anyone can sing. Again it depends on the scenarios I just wrote above.
  
  So mistake me, I am also a fan of ARR and so are many others. 1 other point, I feel that the highest no. of songs sung by any male singer for ARR is SPB.
  
  Ali,
  
  I feel SPB was at his peak till 1994-5.
  
  I had the opportunity of watching ARR live in Dubai in Dec'95 and imagine the crowd a 30,000+ overfilling all over. The show was great. When I watched the show again on video, did I realise that ARR, Udit & Sukhwinder didnt sings the songs in real. They just gave lip movements. Needless to ask about SPB.
  
  During that time, ARR interview was live on radio and I was suprised when a Pakistani called up and said that his favorite singer was SPB and he wanted to hear more new songs of his fav. singer sing for his fav. MD.
  
  -Man
  
  
  

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