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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Tue Mar 27 03:22:47 EST 2001
  
  If you think only our country is plagued by this problem of plagiarism then sample this article!
  
  This talks about how Greek composers were dabbling heavily in hindi film compositions with no acknoledgements!
  
  http://www.sangeetmahal.com/journal_hindi_films_greece.asp
  
  Very interesting article!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: kk (@ 129.49.12.13) on: Tue Mar 27 10:02:51 EST 2001
  
  Hey JAKAZ....you are damn right....rewrite your comments with proper caps ...so people can read..
  You ve thought of reallly interesting topic ..we should all discuss this.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Tue Mar 27 10:30:58 EST 2001
  
  Jakaz:
  I am seeing you for the first time here. Your input is really good. Pitiest thing is we ourself degrate our great MDs. Be it IR or ARR or for that matter any body who has contributed. No other country has such a widely talented bunch of Music people, who inspite of all odds and geographical barriers have been able to set high standards.
  
  If you ask MJ or Andrew LLoyod Weber to compose a tune based on pure hindustani or carnatic raga, then I am sure they will not be able to do it before their death.
  
  What we are doing here is instead of appriciating each others talent, we resolve to cheap bashing and arguments. Each fans group feel jealous of other and ultimately the loosers are these fans who fail to listen to the other and enjoy it. Healthy aruments that leads to to information exchange is good. But, some times it gets out of hands.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Mar 27 12:33:24 EST 2001
  
  Karthik S it was a fantastic article. Almost scholarly. Especially the reference to bhairavi rAgam. I also learn that there is a carnAtic rAgam that has an equivalent in middle-eastern music. The article was a very good history lesson as well. I do not see anything wrong in borrowing from other cultures in terms of music or other art forms. It has to be presented to the audience with a local flavor. But fascination for another culture cannot/should not be out of an inferiority complex or a desire to exclude ourselves ourselves from our poorer brethren. I think what was happening in Greece (fascination with the west is happening in India too) is happening in India as well. We have been using Western Classical Music in our films for a long time without it overshadowing our own music. So any effort like this is welcome !!
  
  
• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 202.54.33.171) on: Tue Mar 27 14:38:59 EST 2001
  
  "veesum kaatrukku
  Film: Ullaasam (Karthik Raja) Colors of the wind (Vanessa williams - Pocohontas) inspired"
  
  Hi,
  I think the above cannot be called even an inspiration! Just the starting stle is similar not the tune! KR is not that bad!
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.163) on: Tue Mar 27 22:47:24 EST 2001
  
  "Veesum Kaatruku" is a direct lift from Pocahontas
  soundtrack and the song is "Listen to your Heart"
  
  Click on "Listen to you heart" I and II and you will understand :)
  
  
  http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=551917521/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=POCAHONTAS/itemid=1348689
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.163) on: Tue Mar 27 22:49:12 EST 2001
  
  Sorry please click on "Listen with your heart" I and II
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed Mar 28 02:59:56 EST 2001
  
  Gawd...thanks Bhagavathar...KR has been heavily inspired. IMHO Raja perai kedukraan!
  
  Ippo enna solreenga Vijay? Ithey pol KR'in innum sila inspirationgalai ithey thread'il naan post seithirunthen, a few days back. Check them too.
  
  Listen to the originals!
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/LWYH1-Pocahontas.rm
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/LWYH2-Pocahontas.rm
  
  Rgds
  Karthik
  
  
• From: S (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Wed Mar 28 03:31:08 EST 2001
  
  >>If you ask MJ or Andrew LLoyod Weber to compose a tune based on pure hindustani or carnatic raga, then I am sure they
  will not be able to do it before their death. <<
  
  U must take into consideration the popularity of
  the music (Mind u, i'm not talking about quality)
  When u ask arr to compose a song like MJ, he can
  do it, as the music is popular thro'out the country, whereas MJ wudn't have heard anything
  about thyagayyar's works!
  Had they been as popular as MJ's work, may be MJ
  too could've done that.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Wed Mar 28 04:20:50 EST 2001
  
  Michael Jackson(MJ) doing krithis like thyagayyar...
  
  S, just to remind u, the krithis of thyagayyar and for that matter krithis of trinity, meera, purandaradasa etc are not just Classical krithis they have the Bhakthi element more in them which IMHO MJ(of present form) will never be able to bring even an iota level of it.
  
  If MJ could manage to do something like that then he would never be popular or never go behind popularity.
  
  So, don't even think about MJ/ALW with our Great Musical Lords. If you wish compare them with IR, ARR and likes.
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed Mar 28 04:37:39 EST 2001
  
  I feel its MJ/ALW's loss that they dunno what classical Indian music is. They'd complete their their pointless existence if they die without ever knowing about the treasure that is in Indian Classical music.
  
  Pity. And dont even compare them with our musical greats. Present day composers including IR/ARR seems more like a fair comparison. Added both IR and ARR 'cos it makes sense to me...if somebody has a grudge for having included IR saying that he's cut apart/above and so on...sorry. Sorry for ARR fans for the same reasons!
  
  :-)
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Thu Mar 29 05:51:06 EST 2001
  
  Here's another old one. Only this time, they are accompanied by song clips!
  
  Original:
  'kasme vaade pyaar wafa'
  Movie: Upkar (1968)
  Music: Kalyanji Anandji
  Listen: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/kasmevaadepyaarwafa.rm
  
  Copied:
  'kanavu kaanum vaazhkai yaavum'
  Movie: Neengal Kettavai (1984)
  Music: Ilayaraja
  Listen: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/kanavukaanum.rm
  
  One of the rare ones of Ilayaraja. But please dont start that exchange-ilaya nila story again! Listen and let go. Everybody does it...ARR does it twice, at that!
  
  Rgds
  Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Thu Mar 29 06:58:55 EST 2001
  
  Here's one more, this time its Vidyasagar.
  
  Original:
  'chebba'
  Singer: Khaled
  Album: N'ssi N'ssi
  Listen: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/chebba-khaled.rm
  
  Copied:
  'hey shabba'
  Movie: Karna
  Composer: Vidyasagar
  Listen: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/HeyShabba-Karna.rm
  
  Ensoy!
  
  Rgds
  Karthik
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Fri Mar 30 07:25:51 EST 2001
  
  I'm quite sure Priyam's dilruba dilruba is copied too. Music: Vidyasagar. It has shades of Amr Diab's (A middle eastern singer) 'habibi' number. But there should be a direct original. Does anybody have any clue?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 172.131.178.133) on: Fri Mar 30 14:48:59 EST 2001
  
  That was a good one Karthik, it's very rare to see IR copying a song completely. I dont have a site to refer, but I do know that "Rettai vaal kuruvi" title music is lift from a very popular korean music. I shall get back with you later on this.
  One more tribute to Deva's cogging ..
  "Singapore Selai" in Kalki is a direct lift from IR's "Aadum neram" in 'soora samhaaram'
  Also the popular "Nee nadanthaal nadai azhagu" is a simple take off from Lata's "dilbar" in 'Caravan' composed by RDB.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Mar 31 10:40:49 EST 2001
  
  Guru:
  
  it's very rare to see IR copying a song completely. I dont have a site to refer, but I do know that "Rettai vaal kuruvi" title music is lift from a very popular korean music.
  
  Hey, keep away from this forum for some time or else you will get into lot of troubles. HC IR fans will not leave you just like that. Why do you invite sleepless nights Yaar. idam arinchi solanum.... unmai aanalum..!!!. Even if it's a truth, you should not let it out like this.
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Mon Apr 2 00:44:37 EDT 2001
  
  Guru:
  
  Thats a real surprise. Rettai vaal kuruvi? Which song are you talking about?
  
  In any case, if you check the copied songs page in newtfmpage, you can find that even the theme music for IR's Mouna Raagam has been inspired to a large part from a track from Flash Dance.
  
  Anyway, do let us know the original Korean song, so that I can trace it and post it.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.145.72) on: Mon Apr 2 03:04:18 EDT 2001
  
  IR Song 'Chinna maNik Koyililee aaduthadi oru viLakku' Sung by KJY From movie 'VaNNa vaNNap PookkaL' has lot of similarties with Deva's 'Oththayadip Paathaiyilee' (Sung by Jikki, Movie : Aaatha Un Kovililee ?),
  
  Any Idea which one came first ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.145.72) on: Mon Apr 2 03:06:35 EDT 2001
  
  NeengaL kettavai, Rettai Vaal Kuruvi, and now vaNna vaNNap PookkaL,
  
  Shall we rename this thread as 'Copying in Balu Mahendra Movies' ? ;-)))
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: S (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Mon Apr 2 04:16:39 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik,
  this is the n'th time i've said this...kanavu kANum was copied bit-by-bit bcos of BM's request.
  Info told by SPB in kumudam (yr:1999)
  
  

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