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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Naveen Jebaraj (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Thu Mar 15 10:07:40 EST 2001
  
  Karthik,
  
  http://www.prs.net has a good collection of WCM midi files.
  check this URL http://www.prs.net/haydn.html and click on 'Trumpet concerto in Eb'
  I have'nt listened to Karthik Raja's song. But not only our MDs, Mozart and Beethoven were
  heavily inspired by Haydn. These 2 guys have flicked some passages even from this Trumpet Concerto!
  
  Naveen
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Mar 15 12:59:15 EST 2001
  
  :-)) for the song yArO yAr yArO, KR has used, once againt piece from this concerto as well as the beginning of mahler's symphony number 4!!!! (what movie was this song in?)
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Thu Mar 15 13:53:26 EST 2001
  
  Guys
  interesting thing i found out today.
  In mudhalvan opening film titles music is a straight lift of Korg Karma synth sample
  and title of the sample is called Film Hero
  you can download at www.korg under KorgKarma synth.
  Let me know if this is wrong or right?
  
  
• From: shanmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Thu Mar 15 16:57:00 EST 2001
  
  aruL,
  
  "yArO yAr yArO" is in 'ullAsam'.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Mar 15 17:00:50 EST 2001
  
  
  "yArO yAr yArO" is a good example of a family song.Any other such songs?
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 15 23:42:51 EST 2001
  
  UV:
  
  Film Hero is in the Triton and not Karma. The link to the mp3 of Film Hero is:
  http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/triton/Film_Hero.mp3
  
  And I tried finding a piece of the Mudhalvan title theme...
  http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~kailasan/bgm/mudhalvan/mudhalvan1.mp3
  
  Do they sound alike?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 12.22.53.83) on: Thu Mar 15 23:59:52 EST 2001
  
  Sound alike - nobody with the right mind and ears would say that
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Mar 16 04:00:52 EST 2001
  
  Naveen and Arularacan:
  
  Thanks so much for the info!
  
  Others:
  
  Here's KR's 'yaaro yaar yaaro' from Ullasam.
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/YaaroYaa.rm
  
  Listen to the opening and the part from 00:58:00 (in real player) and remember them!!
  
  Now listen to this...
  Mahler's Fourth symphony:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/mahler_4th_symphony.mid
  
  And this...
  Haydn's trumpet concerto in Eb major:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/haydn_trumpetconcerto_in_Eb.mid
  
  Note: If the midi files dont seem to work, try downloading them and playing them in Windows Media Player!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Mani (@ 202.144.64.177) on: Fri Mar 16 05:18:47 EST 2001
  
  Comon Guys...
  Atleast KR copies from the Old symphonies...
  ARR lifts from Dr.Alban and like the others that have been mentioned...
  
  In my opinion KR is better that ARR in lifting/copying/inspiration or what ever u call it.
  
  --Mani
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Mar 16 05:41:58 EST 2001
  
  Mani, my pal!
  
  The thing you mentioned on Dr Alban and ARR has been explained n number of times! Dr Alban himself is using demo CDs for loops and what ARR did was exactly similar to what Alban does. These demo's are available for use in tv advertisements, theme music etc etc.
  
  What KR did was a incredible! Copy note to note from a WC composer who's too dead to complain! And what a lift, 2 WC compositions in one song!! Man!
  
  And your statement "at least KR copies from old symphonies" must be the funniest statement of this year! What did you mean by that?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Mar 16 06:52:39 EST 2001
  
  I had seen in another thread...somebody had mentioned that 'vannam konda vennilave' by SPB in sigaram is copied from an Mohd Rafi number! Is it?????? Which song is it?
  
  Its one of my all time fave songs and I'd love to know how it has been adapted in tamil!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Mar 16 10:12:27 EST 2001
  
  Mani,
  Arivu khozhunndu
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Mar 16 10:19:57 EST 2001
  
  Has anyone heard this hindi song
  
  "Yeh Reshmi Zulfonka andhera na ghabraayeeye
  jahantak chalenge mere kesuvonke mehekse chaleayenge"
  
  I heard this song in TV today. Its tune looks similar to
  "Andamanai paar yendhan azhagu" from Andaman Kadali
  
  Can anybody clarify
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Fri Mar 16 12:10:43 EST 2001
  
  puththam puthu kAlai ponniRa vELai's opening flute starts exactly like gershwin's rhapsody in blue but then diverges significantly from it(it doesn't go all the way up like in r-i-b). what a song!
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Fri Mar 16 12:51:48 EST 2001
  
  common friend are you talking about 'do raaste' song?(Rajesh khanna and Mumtaz)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Mar 16 12:55:40 EST 2001
  
  Ramki:
  It was vishwajit and mumtaj. I don't know the film. But two were very young. So some old film might be. But it was a color film.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Fri Mar 16 13:09:58 EST 2001
  
  CF is this the song u r talking abt
  
  ye reshamii zulfe, ye sharabatii aaNkhen
  inhe dekh kar jii rahe hain sabhii
  ye ...
  
  jo ye aankhe sharam se, jhuk jaaengii
  saarii baaten yahiin bas ruk jaaengii
  chup rahanaa ye afasaanaa koii inko naa batalaanaa ki
  inhen dekh kar jii rahe hain sabhii
  
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 172.163.49.166) on: Fri Mar 16 13:13:02 EST 2001
  
  Karthik,
  SPB in "vannam konda vennilave" has been heavily inspired by Lata's "Humne dekhi hai un aankhon" in Khamoshi (old), the MD being Hemant kumar. The tune is very similar, not the orchestration. I can send you the files if you need.
  Guru
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ ) on: Mon Mar 26 01:45:32 EST 2001
  
  BTW, IR's 'karpoora bommai ondru' (keladi kanmani) sounds a lot like the oldie number 'dheere se aaja ri' from Albela (old), music by C Ramchandra.
  
  Both are based on Pilu raagam incidentally.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Mon Mar 26 01:52:34 EST 2001
  
  Sorry for the non-tamil message, just wanted to share this!
  
  On last count Sandeep had three inspired numbers in Pyar Tunes Kya Kiya!
  
  In this context you could check this interview from him!
  http://arts.indiaabroad.com/2k1/02/19/19chowta.html
  
  The list:
  
  Title song:
  Copied from the song 'O Jabili' from Deyyam (telugu). Dir: Ram Gopal Verma and music by V Satyanarayana.
  Listen:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/o_jabili_deyyam.rm
  
  Kambhakt ishq:
  Copied from Afro Celt Sound System's song, 'Eireann'.
  Listen:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/Eireann.rm
  
  Raundhe hain:
  Copied from Wojceich Killar's song 'Vampire Hunters' from the OST of Bram Stroker's Dracula.
  Listen:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/vampirehunters.rm
  
  The rest of the 2 songs 'o jaana' and 'ku ku ku' are rehashes of Sandeep's own numbers from Prema Katha.
  
  For the songs of PTKK go to:
  http://www.indiafm.com/audio/2001/ptkk.shtml
  
  Guess Sandeep puts Deva to shame!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: rahman fan (@ 66.65.24.19) on: Mon Mar 26 10:56:08 EST 2001
  
  Rahman's "Varayo Thozhi" from Jeans is heavily inspired by "O Mere Sona Re"(hindi) from Teesri Manzil ..Rafi and Asha have the playback, the music by R D Burman
  By having Sonu Nigam here... Rahman has composed the song in RD's mode!!!!
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.36) on: Mon Mar 26 11:49:29 EST 2001
  
  I heard a Hindi song yesterday with typical ARR treatment. Maybe from his recent Hindi movies. The first 2 lines were very similar to an old Tamil song,
  
  vasanthathil Or naaL
  maNavarai Oram
  vaidhEgi kAththiruppaaLO - dEvi
  vaidhEgi kAththiruppaaLO
  
  Any idea about the song/movie?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 26 13:34:26 EST 2001
  
  Re: Sandeep Chowta. I think these kind of plagiarisation and copying is bound to happen with a situation like we have in our country. Not many of us (including me) have read about music or learnt any musical instrument. We do not support any live musical performances which benefit the artistes (maybe we cannot afford it). We do not care for our own traditional music because we have not learnt the nuances of it to appreciate it. But we expect the only viable mass-communication media (movie)to supply us with entertainment. So these purveyors of entertainment import/modify/repackage stuff from all over the globe. Its difficult to blame the individuals..Its the system that needs to be blamed..
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Mar 26 13:42:51 EST 2001
  
  Instead of saying 'difficult' to blame the individuals. I should say there is no use in blaming the individuals..
  
  
• From: JAKAZ (@ 66.65.24.19) on: Mon Mar 26 21:54:24 EST 2001
  
  WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ...K I R U .IS PERFECTLY RIGHT....THINK BOUT THE NUMBER OF MOVIES AND SONGS ARE MADE EVERY YEAR...I BELIEVE OUR COMPOSERS ARE THE MOST VERSATILE....THINK AGAIN...RAHMAN'S CONTRIBUTION FROM HIP HOP(HUMMA HUMMA-BOMBAY) TO EARTH-1947'S SANTOOR-THEME..OR ..NO COMPOSERS IN WESTERN CULTURE HOLD THIS TYPE OF RANGE..
  THE NUMBER OF MOVIES MAESTRO-ILLAYARAJA HAS COMPOSED IN JUST 23 YEARS....!!!!
  ..SANDEEP CHOWTHA INTRODUCED COMPLETE DIFFERENT GENRE..OF FUSING CHANTS(MOSTLY GREGORIAN) WITH JAZZ AND ROCK.
  ..OR THE JOY OF RD BURMAN OVER CABARET,NEPALESE, INDIAN CLASSICAL OR EVEN ARABIC.
  
  
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Tue Mar 27 02:48:13 EST 2001
  
  Jakaz,
  Point noted. By the way, please avoid using All Caps as it makes it difficult to read your posting and also implies that you are SHOUTING.
  
  

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