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Topic started by bb (@ 24.4.254.104) on Tue Feb 20 03:21:22 EST 2001.
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Hi! We've made a major addition to newtfmpage, and that is a big song bank. Dhool features thousands of songs for your listening pleasure. This site is a part of the newtfmpage.com - swara.com group. Together with newtfmpage, we wish to make this the best place to listen to tamil film songs online and know about tamil film music. Our collection includes old, new, famous, rare and unheard of songs. We are still fine tuning and fixing the database errors, so please bear with us. We value your feedback, and this will help us build the site better. Please post your comments below or mail to comments@newtfmpage.com.
This work was done by us (bb and RR) with MS and swara.com ravi.

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• From: raj (@ 202.54.137.100) on: Wed Sep 3 03:37:44 EDT 2003
  
  A Rare - Nice Song
  thanks
  
  Nice Music by Veda
  
  Saravanan- Excellent Writeup
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.16.7) on: Wed Sep 3 06:21:01 EDT 2003
  
  bb:
  
  Rare song indeed - cant believe it is SJ, sounds like early Lata M, and hfm.
  Saravanan - have you written about veda in detail in newtfmpage?
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: Da Vinci (@ 128.113.109.168) on: Wed Sep 3 07:52:31 EDT 2003
  
  "Veda’s work therein cannot be written off so easily. ‘Thenozhugum senthamizh kaniyai’ (Seergazhi Govindarajan),‘Nenjam alaimodhave kannum kulamaagave’(PBS), ‘Nadakaathu jambam palikkadhu’ (TMS-PS), ‘Nadanam aadinaar’(PL & (Radha)Jayalakshmi) will forever bespeak the infinite capabilities of this unfairly maligned MD"
  
  BB,
  
  I am surprised you didnt place 'idhavAnin, udhayanilavE...' from 'pArthiban kanavu'. Veda was one who displayed taste even in the songs he lifted, and when he had a chance for it, he improvised them too. Many of his lifted songs sound even greater than the original ones. TMS's 'azhagin kAladiyil' and 'OrAyiram pArvaiyilE' sound to me much better than the original versions.
  
  I am told that he had to lift from Hindi films by the insistence of Modern Theatres for whom he composed music (Was Sudarsanam his brother?).
  
  He is certainly not just a 'copy cat' kind of music director. There was a humorous comment I read somewhere in this forum that 'Deva copied Veda's name and inverted it to make his own name'! But there is a gulf of difference between the two music directors and I have always found a very fine sense of aesthesis in the former which is a value to any musician.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.15) on: Wed Sep 3 08:14:14 EDT 2003
  
  Da Vinci,
  It was I who wrote that, and I didn't mention 'Idhaya vaanin', as that listing was only of songs from Manamaalai.
  
  Yes, Parthiban Kanavu was a wonderful effort by Veda, and stands testimony of his creative skills.
  I too have heard that it was due to pressure from Modern Theatres that he resorted to lifting Hindi tunes. But we must also accept the fact that even in a great album like Anbu Engae (not a Modern Theatres film), 'Amirthayogam vellikkizhamai kannala'(TMS-PL) was a direct lift from Hindi.
  
  And no, Veda was not Sudarsanam's brother. That was Govardhanam.
  
  raja m- no, not yet!
  
  
• From: D\ (@ 128.113.109.168) on: Wed Sep 3 08:36:43 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan,
  
  I am just curious to know what you do for a living ! (I was thinking you were a chartered accountant :) )Man, you seem to know so much about the Tamil film industry.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 195.229.241.165) on: Wed Sep 3 11:02:40 EDT 2003
  
  Yet another exhibition of your unbounded enthusiasm and bottomless archives,Saravanan!And what a song, so soothing and refreshingly rendered by SJ.I get to understand the professional aspect of film song singing.How little I had known about SJ s singing prowess before!the song takes s short cut to heart by- passing the brain.
  
  I would love to watch this movie with "Sweeter"Savithri on- screen for this song.GG ' comment on Savi - GG oru Rasigar!
  
  Veda "Unfairly maligned" - I choose not to concur,as the MD should have made real attempts to convince the producer about his originality.If "survival factor " scores over "music " then the "copy cat" remark is pretty fair.( Aana "Or 1000 paarvayile" -somehow continues to trouble my heart!)
  
  Thanks once again for this great song
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Wed Sep 3 13:35:30 EDT 2003
  
  bb,Saravanan: Thanks for the song. It has been a long time since I heard this one. I have been trying to recall a Hindi song in the same tune. Do you remember? I think it was sung by Shamsad Begum (?).
  
  
• From: senty (@ 167.213.190.133) on: Wed Sep 3 16:16:37 EDT 2003
  
  Isn't the movie "athey kangal" by veda... i liked all the songs from the movie... where they all lift offs ?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.123) on: Wed Sep 3 17:10:10 EDT 2003
  
  Athey Kangal - I used to think Boom Boom maatukkaran theruvil vandhandi is probably an
  original. How can a folk number be a copy.
  
  I realized later, it was inspired by Chim Chim Ree! But at least, an inspiration and not a blatant copy!
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.12) on: Wed Sep 3 19:53:10 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan:
  
  Thanks for bringing out 'nilaiyAga veesudhE' for everyone to hear. I am sure most forumers would have listened to the song for the first time here. I wonder how many more SJ songs from her Pre-IR period are there still to be discovered.
  Someone should make an effort to make a complete list of those songs. A few days ago I listened to
  'en kaNNireNdum seidha pAvam pArththadhu
  en kani idhazhgaL seydha pAvam siriththadhu'
  of yArukkum vetkamillai. (MD: GKV) Excellent song! I also heard another song with a tinge of sadness..
  'urugidum vELaiyilum nalla oLi tharum mezhugu thiri'
  Which movie is this song from? The song has the same feel as 'indha veeNaikku theriyAdhu' of rayil snEham in the pallavi.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Thu Sep 4 00:25:57 EDT 2003
  
  Song of the Day: muthan muthalil paarththEn from Aahaa.
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://www.dhool.com/sotd/muthal.rm
  
  - Sung by Hariharan. Music by Deva.
  
  - This is a beautiful song by Deva. True to his nature, this is supposed to be copied from some hindi song. I've not heard the original, so the credit for the song can go either to Deva or to the original MD :) Hariharan has sung this song well. I guess this song came when he was at his peak in TFM.
  
  - The film itself is a laugh-riot, with dialogues by Crazy Mohan and directed by Suresh Krishna. The hero is Rajeev Krishna (?), and I don't remember the name of the heroine. Crazy was his usual self, churning jokes on deaf grandfathers, stinking-armpit-cooks, and mistaken identities.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.15) on: Thu Sep 4 00:27:14 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, sk--there are many SJ songs from the 50s and 60s which need to be dug out--I have some songs like the amazing 'ragasiyam kelada' but don't know from which film it is--yet!
  
  Apart from Urugidum velaiyilum, which starts from KJY's vaanam engum parithiyin jothi, Dhaagam had another great SJ song, Vaanam namadhu thandhai, in which Muthuraman's voice too is heard in between.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.15) on: Thu Sep 4 00:47:37 EDT 2003
  
  Deva after Veda!!
  
  Good song,bb.
  
  I think the heroine's name was Surekha or something similar. Vijayakumar tried a take off on 'Prestige' Padmanabaiyar. Raghuvaran was great, as usual.
  
  The film was heavily sponsored by Pepsi, and the hoardings were added to the backdrops as often as possible--there was even a duet that went 'Yehi hai right choice baby, aahaa'!
  
  The filming of this song wasn't good, though--slow motion shots of the hero amidst the tables and chairs in the dining hall of the Kalyana Mandapam!! Followed by a bus sequence- Suresh Krishna was still having the 'Valaiyosai' hangover!
  
  I think there was a duet version(HH & KSC) of the song too.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241) on: Thu Sep 4 01:30:47 EDT 2003
  
  The original of this song is "sochEnge tuje pyaar" sung by the inimatably insipid Kumar Sanu. Hariharan's delivery in tamil is in stark contrast with the bland version of Kumar sanu in hindi. One striking part of the song is the delivery of the first line which clearly tells the difference between a qualified singer like HH and an excuse for a singer, Kumar Sanu. the first line:
  
  sochengE tuje pyaa aa aar
  mudhan mudhalil paar thee nnn
  
  The swaras read garisa ns maa ga ri in the scale of Kalyani. Kumar sanu sings "ma ga ri" as exactly a human voice equivalent in a high end synthesizer would do, which is, absolutely flat and without a pinch of microtonal subtlety. Hariharan's awesome improvisations in the same swaras using brighas make the tamil version a thoroughly enjoyable. the duet of HH with chitra is absolutely delectable with Chitra imparting her own brand of classicism and making it sound soulful.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Thu Sep 4 01:43:45 EDT 2003
  
  MS, how much of those improvisations will you attribute to Deva, rather than Hariharan?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Thu Sep 4 02:18:51 EDT 2003
  
  bb: This is the first time I am hearing Hariharan sing in Tamil. It makes me wonder about something that happened about 20 years back.
  He was touring US with Penaz Masani and gave a concert in the local university. They sang only Hindi songs with a number of ghazals. When somebody asked him to sing a Tamil song, he politely refused. Does that mean that his Tamil diction was not that good twenty years back? Did he learn Tamil since then? Somebody commented that he learnt Urdu to sing ghazals. Any comments?
  
  
• From: raj (@ 202.54.137.100) on: Thu Sep 4 03:48:08 EDT 2003
  
  A Great Song ..
  by Late Lyricist Vaasan
  
  There are 2 versions one Solo by HH
  another Duet by HH & Chitra
  
  Chitra Version is better than solo.
  
  The Second stanza Goes like this
  Aezhu swaram ettai aagadho naan konda kaadhalin aazhathai Paada
  degam engum kangal thondradho ...
  
  A catchy Tune by Deva.
  AAha was a Family entertainer (the Last story by Anandhu - Assistant of KB )
  which had Raghuvaran,Bhanupriya,Sukanya,Rajeevkrishna,Srividya,V.kumar in Lead.
  
  Sukanya Excelled in the guest Role she Appeared which was highly appreciated by Sowkar Janaki in an interview
  & also Rajeev krishna who did a commandable job but it's a surprise he couldnt come up except to show his Presence in Devaraagam & Ye nee Romba Azhaga irukke
  
  Aaha had "Ok" kind of Music.
  Other notable Songs in "AAha"
  1. theem therana - by HH
  2.Kozhi Vandhadha by Malasiavasudevan,Yugendran,Anuradha sreeram
  3. yehi hai right choice baby - Sujatha &?
  
  Thanks for this song
  
  
  
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.42.2.15) on: Thu Sep 4 04:04:41 EDT 2003
  
  MS
  
  Too polite a comment on Sanu.I feel that he is an apology to the singing profession.the song is from Deewana, a remake of SA Chandrasekaran s "Vasantha Ragam".The Tamil equivalant of this song is "Ethuvarai paatai printha padagan enakku pallavi kidaithathu" by SPB/MSV combo.(Vijaykanth,Rishi Kapoor -What choices!)
  
  Nadeem Shravan reused the same tune and made "tum Dilke dhadkan mey"-in Dhadkan again sung by Sanu (Even Abhijeet s version was ok )Killing Kalyani-NS/Sanu must be prosecuted for woman-slaughter!(In Hindutani terms they are the "Yaman"ukku Yaman!)
  
  Deva,Veda might enjoy singing the duet "Kaalam maaralam nam kadhal (to copy)maruma".Ofcourse,both have made some remarkable improvisations while copying.
  
  "Aha" is another superb one from Crazy Mohan.The actual hero was Delhi Ganesh with his superb timing.
  
  "Ayaayo!Avan mundhiri paruppu thiruduvanna"(about another cook)
  "Brakes Indialayum naanthan chief,AGS layaum naan than chief,Solla poana Thomas cookuke naanthan cook"
  
  Save for Vijyakumar,everyone did a perfect job in the movie.
  
  The lyricist of this song Vasan died young in an accident i think.Simple, yet captivating lines.A good choice again.
  
  

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