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Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy can be brought to TFM

Topic started by Jay (@ 203.124.234.166) on Tue Jan 28 01:28:13 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Remember the Music Director trio Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy, the music directors of Kamal Hassan's Alavandhaan. They seem to be missing in the Tamil scene for the last 2 years and they are doing really good in the Hindi field. They have given solid musical hits in Hindi such as; Mission Kashmir, Dil Chahtha Hai. I think they can be brought to the Tamil films again. I feel they are definitely better than Deva and a few others. I think they are the best as far as Hindi Film Music goes after A R Rahman.

I would like healthy comments who listen to Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy and have a fair knowledge of Hindi Film Industry.

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• From: Ehsaan Noorani (@ 219.65.50.225) on: Sun Mar 23 01:59:10 EST 2003
  
  Hi Ali you are very right about the older composers using classical as their base. Somehow even I cant seem to figure out why that has gone out of the Hindi film music. On the other hand I guess that there is a strong pop culture and the influence of music from across the globe plays a part in people liking different kinds of music. I used to listen to Hindi film music as a kid when there was no television and all u had was radio and a few records. I loved SJ, RDB, SDB and I loved Hemant Kumar and Ravi. Then in the late 70's to eightees I was seriously into rock and blues so Hindi music took a far backseat and theough LP and Bappi did come with some good stuff it never really did get to me somehow I found too much of the Bihari , UP sound in the music.When I heard RD's Ek Ladki Ko Dekha from 1942 somehow that kind of got my attention as being such a wonderful composition from the master. Then believe it or not ARR's Roja was the first Hindi Cd I bought in years !!!! Then DUS happened and I guess we were in game too.Ilove Rafi Saab but I wish Kishore Kumar were still around !!!
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 194.170.246.113) on: Sun Mar 23 08:00:56 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan,
  Have you listened to Ilayaraaja's classics in Tamil? Or are you, like many others from the North, ignorant of this genius composer and his work? If you'd like, I can list a few must-listen albums to begin with.
  Cheers!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Sun Mar 23 09:32:11 EST 2003
  
  
  "Or are you, like many others from the North, ignorant of this genius composer and his work?"
  
  Peter Pan, Ehsaan mentioned this just in the previous page
  "We still maintain that ARR and IlyaRaja are our favorite composers in this country and we have nothing but the utmost respect for him.
  "
  
  Lets not drive out knowledgable musicians (when they frequent TFMDF once in a bluemoon) with our usual IR-ARR stuff.
  
  
• From: Vaathiyaar (@ 210.186.51.135) on: Sun Mar 23 10:00:22 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan
  
  Please ignore juveniles like Peter Pan.
  IR is a very ordinary musician who has just been over-hyped but who played a big role in bringing down TFM. We are mostly thankful that he has been completely side lined now.
  
  Please do not listen to any of his albums, as it is not reflective of popular taste in TN.
  
  
• From: fu ah (@ 65.176.168.207) on: Sun Mar 23 23:36:23 EST 2003
  
  Vaathiyaar, you got it, man! LET US CLOSE THIS FORUM. THIS IS THE MOMENT OF REALISATION FINALLY.
  
  ALSO, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, JERK
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Mon Mar 24 01:40:22 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan
  
  Thanks for your replies.
  There are a lot of Hard core fans in this forum and most of them behave like terrorists, insisting that people must conform to their tastes and beliefs.
  Please ignore them.
  
  I am really depressed to hear that you do not have any Tamil movies in hand. You are right about Aalavandhan not doing well in the box office. If the movie had been successful, producers would have made a beeline to your studio.
  
  Shankar Mahadevan is quite a rage among the Tamil listeners today. But then again, it would not be proper for him to use his influence, especially since he is a singer for many MDs.
  I really hope that you would get a second chance with Tamil movies and look forward to that day.
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 202.68.150.4) on: Mon Mar 24 14:29:37 EST 2003
  
  We hope so too !!!!
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Mon Mar 24 15:35:41 EST 2003
  
  The above post is a different Ehsaan. IPs are different!
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ 172.147.122.161) on: Mon Mar 24 18:56:33 EST 2003
  
  I'm surprised that after Dil Chahta Hai SEL hasn't been courted by South Indian producers. That album was fantastic, IMO, and must have been quite popular in Tamil Nadu. It's good to see that SEL is enjoying success in Hindi film music.
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 202.68.150.4) on: Mon Mar 24 21:59:22 EST 2003
  
  The above post has a different ip because i have switched from vsnl to broad band.
  Our music for Armaan and Nayee Padosan is now released please give it a listen.
  
  
• From: Kum_Laden (@ 66.185.85.76) on: Mon Mar 24 22:41:43 EST 2003
  
  ".....Nayee Padosan......"
  
  Padosan guy anthalavu mosama? :--)
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 194.170.246.113) on: Mon Mar 24 23:01:35 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan,
  Don't get me wrong.
  There are many reasons why I posed that question about Ilayaraaja to you. Here's one:
  
  I met Shankar in '94 (he was singing for jingles then) when he came to Western Outdoor Studios to do the vocals for the soundtrack of our CD-ROM called 'Karishma, The Wonder That is India', which Louis Banks was composing. I was surprised when he (Shankar) said that he was not at all familiar with Ilayaraaja's work. For an upcoming singer to be ignorant of the works of a prolific composer of close to 800 films from his native land was indeed unbelievable!
  
  Have you heard the Ilayaraaja's albums of the 70's, 80's and early 90's? He's always been much ahead of his time.
  
  Good luck on 'Nayee Padosan'. I heard it's a re-take on 'Padosan'. Do you know 'Padosan' itself was a copy of the Tamil super hit of the Black & White era, 'Adutha Veettu PeNN'? It also started the trend of poorly stereotyping the so-called 'Madrasis' in Hindi films, and Mahmood went on to make a career out of it!
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 202.54.40.210) on: Tue Mar 25 01:48:18 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan, its such a pleasant surprise for us to see you here, welcome to this forum :)
  As a trio you are on the threshold of establishing yourselves in the big league and getting some really major projects now. Wishing you all the very best in future!
  
  Do please share with us some your experiences in composing for commercial cinema. With such an assortment of music being produced today, how do you decide which style to stick with? How frequently does working with film directors as opposed to separate albums curb your freedom of musical expression? What is your guidance to amateur composers today?
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Mar 25 02:37:59 EST 2003
  
  PP
  
  Adutha Veetu Penn was origianlly made in Telugu produced by Adi Naryan Rao who also composed the music.(He is Anjali Devi s husband)
  
  Ehasan
  
  Welcome.
  
  Your (trio) effort in Nagesh Kukunoor s venture was good.Aalavandhan (abhay)effort was a "Good attempt".But still a long way to go.You need to get out of Louis Bank s hangover.Stop doing Hindi pop.(getting bracketed with Altaf Raja, and the Balle Balle CDs it is a short cut to disaster!)
  
  You need to do listen to Old tamil/telugu/Malyalam classics to get the feel and nativity factor which is absent in bollywood music.
  
  A sincere suggestion is never ever get into Joint ventures with other HFM MDs.They are woefully short of musical talent.A movie with the likes of Anu,Anannd-Milind ,NS,JL you may have to start "Sa-pa-sa" all over again and you will be madly shopping for Magreb (Mediterranean -Arab)CDs in Dubai.
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Tue Mar 25 11:07:53 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan
  I apologize for that mail. I didn't think twice.
  
  OISG, PP - just FYI
  The original of the movie "Adutha veettu penn" in telugu is called "Pakkinti ammaayi". It had SPB acting with Chandramohan (the corresponding roles in Hindi were Kishore Kumar and Sunil Dutt).
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 202.68.132.90) on: Tue Mar 25 11:42:29 EST 2003
  
  Talking about composition style it basically works out as per the script. In DCH Koi Kahe was used for a club party situation hence the music was all trancey. I guess it all depends on what is correct for the script and very often what excites the director and us at the spurr of the moment.My guidance to amateur composers is that do not be influenced by the medium that u r working with at least where songs are concerned. Like a writer is influenced by world events , poetry , film , history a music director should be listening to music other than just film music ( by inluence i dont mean copying ) there is a whole world of music out there and listening to all of that should be the education to the md. Yes old film songs and compositions are also essential listening but unfortunately people tend to sound like each other then. I listen to a wide wide variety of music from world muisc to jazz to rock and film soundtracks.
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 202.68.150.4) on: Tue Mar 25 11:42:39 EST 2003
  
  Talking about composition style it basically works out as per the script. In DCH Koi Kahe was used for a club party situation hence the music was all trancey. I guess it all depends on what is correct for the script and very often what excites the director and us at the spurr of the moment.My guidance to amateur composers is that do not be influenced by the medium that u r working with at least where songs are concerned. Like a writer is influenced by world events , poetry , film , history a music director should be listening to music other than just film music ( by inluence i dont mean copying ) there is a whole world of music out there and listening to all of that should be the education to the md. Yes old film songs and compositions are also essential listening but unfortunately people tend to sound like each other then. I listen to a wide wide variety of music from world muisc to jazz to rock and film soundtracks.
  
  
• From: Jyothi, London (@ 213.2.111.98) on: Tue Mar 25 12:06:01 EST 2003
  
  Hi Ehsaan,
  I am one of ur avid UK fans.
  What do I say....
  
  Your compositions truly are wonderful ,keep up the good work and God blees you all SEL.
  I look forward to listening To Armaan and Lakshya.
  One humble request though. I would Love to see you work with the maestro SP Balasubramaniam...
  Thanks.
  P.s any plans for a concert in London?
  
  
• From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2) on: Tue Mar 25 13:01:00 EST 2003
  
  Ehsaan, it is good to see you here. Hope to read more on your experience with films. What are the projects that you guys are working on now?
  
  
• From: John Barry (@ 65.176.168.195) on: Tue Mar 25 15:15:43 EST 2003
  
  Mr. Ehsaan, what are the influences you would like happenin in HFM or IHM in general? I think Hollywood of the 50s and 60s upto the Sound of Music brought out very intelligent and sublime compositions. likewise Latin melodies. Indian films have also done ecstatic musical works, however, lately Indian composers have stopped thinkin out of the box. There is hardly any symmetry, sophistication or elegance. I wish the orchestration were softer and less cheezy. More lush and soft violin backing, etc..
  
  

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