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Mumbai Moham - What do Tamils put up with the bad and mediocre singing of Mumbai artistes?

Topic started by Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on Sat Dec 1 22:44:28 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language? Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers? Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?

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• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 7 13:30:53 EST 2001
  
  Apathy is the Ultimate Weapon.
  Complacency is the Easiest Option.
  Inertia is the Final Triumph.
  
  Thank you KS, RajaG, Vijay...
  
  Your voices tell me that I am not alone in my disgust for the current state of tamil film music.
  
  That is a huge consolation.
  
  All best wishes to you.
  
  Indhu
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on: Fri Dec 7 13:34:17 EST 2001
  
  Indhu:
  I spent 11 years learning Tamil formally in school. And I'm proud to let u know I did pretty well. I've already mentioned before tat in Spore it's compulsory to learn ur mother tongue as 2nd language in school.
  In case u want to know more about the syllabus to decide if I've really formally learnt Tamil :) pls have a look at this: http://www.moe.edu.sg/exams/syllabus/9103.pdf
  This is wat have to take in the final year (of the 11).
  I still don't know wat this had to do with this topic, but well...
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Dec 7 14:02:14 EST 2001
  
  okay..looks like you guys are talking something that I think we should all be appalled at. Tamil pronounciation and quality of lyrics is at its nadir, IMNVHO :(. I am so disgusted, instead of boycotting a CD with bad tamil pronounciation, I am even for legislation which says atleast one song should have pure tamil lyrics, atleast one devoid of english !!! Yeah..god language is a very important cultural legacy and I dont like it being damaged by some snobbish money hungry pretenders (of art).
  
  (ha.. I feel better :))
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.235) on: Fri Dec 7 14:20:20 EST 2001
  
  Didn't Gandhi say something about importance of law and justice?It is more wrong to convict a innocent person than to set free 99 guilty persons.I don't see how it is wrong to accept 2 good songs from an album even if it has 4 bad songs.I would consider it an injustice to punish those two songs.
  
  The first step should be to find out if anyone of us here has the journalistic clout(press or internet website) to carry across our views widely.Till then it's only talk talk..
  I'm ready to come to the battlefield but I don't see any weapons yet.
  
  KS,
  Do you expect me to just say "yes"?:)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Dec 7 15:25:21 EST 2001
  
  kiru: Your post was very encouraging, especially in light of the discouragement which Indhu, whose concern seems to be sincere and well placed, has received from some posters here).
  
  Fliflo: As Indhu asked earlier, and a few of us have wondered for a long time, what is your point anyway? dhideernu sambandhaa sambandhamillaama "paalootti vaLarththa kiLi" nu 4 line ezhudharadhula enna arththam? Your posts don't make any sense and your only purpose seems to be somehow trying to advertise your ignorance and absence of a firm opinion.
  
  Indhu: I feel as strongly as Kiru does (and trust me, there are many more normal, intelligent, and conscientious posters who are with us) about your initiative. So please continue with your efforts.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 15:38:08 EST 2001
  
  
  Your posts don't make any sense and your only purpose seems to be somehow trying to advertise your ignorance and absence of a firm opinion.
  
  rajaG;
  
  I see a lot of segregation of opinions. You say you wanted to quit and just jumping in started making a fire at me. That's OK. If I call you an idiot does it look good. But I am not going to do that. What is the point in talking with a 'racist(s)' take rest under tamil umberlla. Well, the best suggestion I advise you is, take care of of you own before things go worse..
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 15:55:13 EST 2001
  
  Indhu;
  
  You don't seem to be here for anything useful, the same what you call me as. With this thread running over more than 8 pages you don't seem to know what you want. 'Why not' seems to be more sensible than anybody else here. He is more preactical and understanble than most of the "theoritical, impractical' guys. First lot of guys her, including the self-claimed intelligents, should know how to use their tounge. They should understand others too have that. Is your aim is to form a group and make personal insults on others. Does that prove that you guys are more intelligent?;)) I have realised that this thread marching towards a pointless, never ending destination long, long ago where some intelligent guys don't seem to understand that yet. If you come out with just 1 cent of useful thing out of this, I promise that I would contribute other 99 cents normalise.
  
  Whatever, my humble request is just do not use 'tamil language' for racial purpose. That just shows your 'ignorance' through 'racial supremacy'. Go with the policy that 'tamil is great so as others'.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Fri Dec 7 15:58:02 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo: Where/When did I say "I wanted to quit" ? I don't have to convince YOU whether I am a racist or not. To somebody who doesn't understand the difference between racism/prejudice and insistence of the value of a good language/culture, I really cannot waste my time in proving who I really am!!!!:-)
  
  
• From: bm (@ 64.175.240.27) on: Fri Dec 7 16:14:17 EST 2001
  
  Indhu ,a very good thread ..
  
  The real resaon IMO, behind this state of affairs is the tamil media that has always had a tendency to celebrate mediocrity and rejects from bombay as if they were the deliverers of the tam society ( be it actresses , music directors or singers ).May be an appeal to them to not go overboard with these rejects could be helpful . ( it is really unbearable to hear sadhana sargams of this world sing ! My parents and their genration can hardly tell a tamil song from hindi/english these days )
  
  Also ,we should send some of the xtracts of this thread to some magazines and webzines and do a signature campaign to send it to the MDS . i am sure it will be a hard battle to weed these tamil koliakaarargal out very soon . but we can always try . good luck !
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 16:56:36 EST 2001
  
  Salient points which makes this thread pointless;
  
  a) The first and foremost one the baseline issue. There is a general accusation that the Mumbai based artists play as a crucial role of 'tamil killers'. But no clear, pin-pointed evidence has been given yet where they have acted like that. Adding to this, is there is no remarkable line drawn bewteen style and pronounciation. There are many tamilians act as tamil killers and nothing has been talked about that. Of the singers, I do not know why mumbai artists are only targetted. There is no answer on tamil singers who sing frequently in Hindi (ARR's) music. Did they ever argued about counter-effects
  
  b) There is a huge barrier to argue against postings which are written against the issue. There were many meaningful points been brought that remain still unanswered. You want to see the world in the color you want to.
  
  c) 80% of supporters say yes this is a good thread but really come with no points at all. Part of them gave some "itchy-bitchy" ideas probably after prolonged thoughts, then say some impractical ways of solving the problem, then just want to quit and comeback when something materialises. They, to some extent agreed, that it is not going to happen with ease.
  
  d) Many of the visitors are biased mentally towards people who argue in this thread, rather trying to be open.
  
  d) The memeber seems to have one aim of just push it and make it to run. If people do take time to respond there is a lot of urge to make them to write something. The DFer, as somebody pointed out, welcomes the point of other DFers only support his/her point.
  
  e) No practical fall backs of the issue was ever discussed.
  
  f) people do not seem to have learnt lessons from "other similar such" issues, where the end result always had been 'nothing' or a very small,insignificant turn outs.
  .......
  
  With all this, I do see a only big 'zero' coming up. It is very easy to sit and make few lines in the net. Millions of cassettes were sold in the main land (most of them here go to the cheap way of procuring, by downloading mp3s) and we already in a position of not contributing much to this issue.
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 7 16:58:55 EST 2001
  
  Frankly, I am at a loss for words to describe the flak my good intentions are drawing from the likes of Fliflo and his ilk. If the guy's Tamil is indeed (anything) like his English - then I guess that's the only clue one needs as regards his comprehension of this debate. Or his commitment to doing something about what's at stake.
  
  Here's what I have tried to address in this thread:
  
  At what cost commercialism? When there are (evidently) many fine Tamil singers around why does the Tamil public support "imports" who have no basis or investment in the tamil language / culture? And yes, most of the "imports" are from Mumbai. That's a fact.
  
  I have also tried to elicit answers to why this is allowed to happen time and again:
  Is it a sign of Tamil tolerance?
  A sign of deficient Pride in one's own language?
  Or (more dangerously) a belief that somehow Mumbai imports are inherently superior to our own home-grown, established talent?
  
  I have asked others to offer their views on this current state of affairs. Not content with just addressing the issues, I have offered my own ideas/suggestions to counter this trend in our own small way.
  
  Here's what I've been called: Racist, Prejudiced, Know-it-all (in many different ways by WhyNot), Someone who does not like dissenting views (talk about irony! I am, after all, advocating Dissent!!) which do not match my own, Mumbai-phobic (why only Mumbai singers I was asked) and Useless/Myopic in my understanding of this issue which I have the arrogance to suggest we can try to solve...Quite the list for someone who came here with a desire see if we can ACT for a CHANGE.
  
  Well, I am tongue-tied (besides, not knowing how to use my tongue according to a few pundits here).
  
  I think I will spare myself the ignominy of further insults.
  
  This has been a rewarding (and invaluable) experience for me. I really appreciate the support this topic has received from like-minded individuals. I don't promise not to return, however, for now I think I must just wait in the wings. Please address specific queries/suggestions to action to me if you want to mobilise and do something. I will be glad to add my voice to any campaign/idea - as long as there is a commitment to FORMALISE the complaint/critique.
  
  My very best to you all till then.
  
  Vazhga Tamil!
  
  Indhu
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 17:06:34 EST 2001
  
  "If the guy's Tamil is indeed (anything) like his English - then I guess that's the only clue one needs as regards his comprehension of this debate."
  
  
  Here goes the personal attack again. Try to go few pages and see what you have said about me. Have I ever made any such statement on you personally. There is the big difference. You attack on people and I comment on your points. Enjoy..;-)))
  
  
  

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