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Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!!

Topic started by Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on Thu Apr 25 06:53:28 EDT 2002.
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Surprising! Even after 10years, ARR still a kid in BGM. Even in his latest KM, BGM lacks a lot. Especially in the scenes where the BGM need to lift the scene. Does his musical talent is LIMITED only to the songs or his CREATIVITY misses something whenever it comes to BGM or does he need MUCH MORE TIME to compose it? Yeah, i agree perceptions differ. Lets see how it goes.....

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• From: S (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Thu May 2 14:32:01 EDT 2002
  
  S.Vee,
  his BG score in vaali was also quite good....I wud be called a raja fan if i were to say it's better than arr (how original deva is a different discussion altogether)...Ppl tend to ignore him because he copies...but i always felt his BG scores were decent...The first time i noticed his BGscore was for manivannan's moonravadhu kaNN...It had a pretty good score.
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Thu May 2 14:34:55 EDT 2002
  
  WN,
  It's not the question of whether u loved PP songs or not...Did it appeal the masses ?? the answer is no...If u were to ask me, i wud say songs from (nAn kELvippadadha oru Raja padam sollungappa !!)....that movie is great :-)
  
  The point i'm trying to make here is, If u aska bout the quality Raja still gives great numbers...I'm happy with it...If u wanna judge based on the public opinion, as far as star and pp are concerned they are as good (or as bad) as bharani or poNNu veettukkAran.
  
  
• From: S.Vee (@ 210.212.49.14) on: Thu May 2 14:40:18 EDT 2002
  
  it is mass psychology that when one starts critisizing someone for something,it gets deeply ingrained in the public psyche that they fail to see the good things behind it.the same is the case with Deva.his -'s have scored over his +'s.and people start taking the quantity,leaving behind whatever quality is in the +'s.in fact Deva has become a grossly underrated and highly ridiculed MD.
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Thu May 2 18:05:10 EDT 2002
  
  Deva-vukku oru O podungappa!
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.152) on: Thu May 2 18:19:20 EDT 2002
  
  whynot,
  whynot+ROTFL does not make up the entire fan base of tfm.If you think PP ,star ,KM were all mass hits like KK or alaipayudhe,keep thinking wishful thinking.whynot,were you not the one who accused rigging in top 10 when KM was in the bottom of charts-it is now in the top .still think it is all rigged?I am again being just curious to listen to your long winded arguments.The point is,ARR has not had another hit like lagaan in entire 2001(Lagaan was released in 2001-but songs were done in 2000-I repeat.)I would say the recent IR movies with mass appeal was kasi and azhagi(kasi's songs occupied the the top spot in cassette sales list according to tamilcinema.com at one stage).if you remember,it came out 2-3 months back.I still think ROTFL shows his ignorance when he says IR is a 'has been'.I just wonder-have either you or ROTFL ever lived in TN when IR was the king of tfm?If you have not,then you are not qualified to discuss about Raaja's music at all.Try to glorify ARR's music-but do not try to put down IR.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.152) on: Thu May 2 18:38:48 EDT 2002
  
  //Yaaro
  even ARR fans has a nice ring to it, has it not? :)
  
  I for one have praised Parthaale Paravasam and I am not even an ARR fan!
  
  Ithu eppadi irukku//
  want to know-you sound silly.for someone who is not a ARR fan,what is your problem with IR-trying to put him down at every available opportunity?you seem like a man on a ( perfectly ridiculous)mission. I thought you were an ARR fan.If not you are wasting a lot of time. every time an IR fan types something praising IR ,we can expect you to be there promptly with some smartass comments.I think you just delight in provoking IR fans for no reason but just for the fun of it.prove me wrong.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.231.84) on: Thu May 2 19:55:00 EDT 2002
  
  S,
  the main reason that PP didnt appeal to the masses was that there was no publicity.
  All movies had the privelege of free trailers on the channels (esp. Sun group).. but coz of the fight between KB and the sun group, his films are particularly not put...
  I guess that's the main reason. And after seeing PP, every1 who came outta the theatre were muttering curses and singing Anbe sugama in the same breath.
  ditto for KM.
  If the songs were in the form of "songs" and not BGMs, KM engeyo poirukkum.
  Signore wud hv become another Malae malae !! ;)
  
  
• From: KABULI (@ 216.64.132.55) on: Thu May 2 22:17:52 EDT 2002
  
  ARR HAS THE BEST BGM NO DOUBT. lAGAAN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THIS MAESTROS WORK. HE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE BEST. EVEN MY WIFE THINKS SO;.
  
  
• From: ilubak (@ 67.234.27.46) on: Thu May 2 22:22:44 EDT 2002
  
  KABULI,
  < u ought to be the head of the family:-)
  
  
• From: Navin (@ 202.126.148.35) on: Fri May 3 00:19:44 EDT 2002
  
  ARR BGM IS BEST FOREVER NO DOUBT ON IT.
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 3 00:50:03 EDT 2002
  
  magix,
  
  >>>> every1 who came outta the theatre were muttering curses and singing Anbe sugama in the same breath. ditto for KM.
  
  I agree that people were humming KM songs when they came out of theatre (I was one of them :-), But as with PP, Not even a single song from this movie could make an impression on the public mind - even the best song of the album (IMO), Azhage sugamaa didn't make an impression - may be because of the bad screenplay / average picturisation ... But PP went unnoticed as far as music is concerned. Looking at the standards ARR has set to himself, even KM is a failure in terms of cassette sales - Something like what Sachin did yesterday :-)
  
  I am not questioning ARR's talent here, But the varuththam remains in me that he failed to give me a Roja / Bombay / Duet / KK in the past two years ...
  
  As far as mass appeal / cassette sales is concerned, I am sure Kaasi and Azhagi were equal to KM / Star - if not better,
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on: Fri May 3 03:21:09 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS,
  "As far as mass appeal / cassette sales is concerned, I am sure Kaasi and Azhagi were equal to KM / Star - if not better" --- Kaasi and Azhagki were better than star and KM, naan visArittha varaiyil...
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Fri May 3 05:06:14 EDT 2002
  
  >>the main reason that PP didnt appeal to the masses was that there was no publicity. <<
  
  magix, i can give N+1 movies of Raja and others like balabharathy whose songs went unnoticed bcos of poor publicity.
  
  Songs of PP were of inferior quality...and u have to accept that...KM was good, no doubt...PP..sorry.
  
  
• From: Madhu (@ 202.144.91.253) on: Fri May 3 05:30:07 EDT 2002
  
  hi Machi`s and Mamu`s... just a whacky thought....
  
  I came across this superlative work called "Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter ... a fiarly popular book...
  
  If somebody were to write a similar work with
  "AR.Rehman, Sachin, .... " whom would you guys nominate as the third Genius in line !
  
  bye,
  
  Madhu
  
  P.S: IR fans ..please do not take offense.. this is just a casual discussion... dont get too patriotic about Raja..
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 06:10:10 EDT 2002
  
  Yaaro, u r so right. U have opened my eyes to the TRUTH.
  
  So u have said that
  
  1. ARR has not had any mass appeal albums recently. All he cud come up with are Kannathil Muthamittal, Parthale Paravasam, Star. So he has turned into a has-been.
  2. IR has given us smash hits like Kaasi & Azhagi. They have such mass appeal u'll find the crowds rocking and swaying to the chart-busting numbers (esp when they cant find Deva's marudha malai record...another mass appeal hit). Hence, IR is very much in the music scene.
  3. ROTFL & WhyNot do not represent TFM. But Yaaro posting as "Disenchanted Fan" wit a slightly different IP represents the whole of TFM.
  
  Hence, I wud like to correct Vj's analogy with this new pearls of wisdom I have learned from Yaaro:
  
  Stop comparing ARR, a has-been with a still massively appealing IR. It is like comparing a has-been like Shivaji Ganesan with mass-appeal star like Madhavan.
  ARR=Shivaji
  IR=Madhavan.
  
  Happy now, Yaaro?
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 3 06:23:13 EDT 2002
  
  WhyNot,
  
  U r jumping into conclusions very fast,
  
  All we say is 'don't deny IR's postion in todays' TFM', Agreed that he is not 'Raja' of TFM anymore ... but you have to also accept the fact that there is no Rajas in TFM today ... It may be IR, ARR, HJ, YSR, Bharani or anybody else - whoever gives a good album sells and people no more buy an album just for the MD's name or fame or whatever.
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 06:35:31 EDT 2002
  
  Naga S, go back and read Yaaro's posts. He said:
  
  "when was the last time ARR had a mass appeal hit ...ARR is almost on the verege of becoming a 'has been' as far as TFM is concerned"
  
  My replies were to Yaaro's post. Not to what "All we say".
  
  One more thing Yaaro:
  
  "If you have not,then you are not qualified to discuss about Raaja's music at all."
  Whether I am qualified or otherwise (not for u to judge), I was not even commenting on Raaja's music. My comments were regarding your biased statement that ARR is becoming a has-been in TFM bcos he has not had any "mass appeal" hits. How wud like it if anyone said that about IR?
  
  In your excitement to defend/glorify IR, dont throw such ridiculous statements about ARR.
  
  This guy has one of his greatest year in TFM ahead of him. To call him a has-been, u r showing how unqualified and biased you are, to talk about ARR.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri May 3 07:40:51 EDT 2002
  
  IR has given us smash hits like Kaasi & Azhagi. They have such mass appeal u'll find the crowds rocking and swaying to the chart-busting numbers (esp when they cant find Deva's marudha malai record...another mass appeal hit).
  
  WhyNot, Kaasi and Azhagi DO have mass appeal. Not like that of marudha malai or even Oh podu. Marudha malai and Oh! podu have mass appeal due to different reasons (sexy song and dappanguththu respectively). But its Kaasi and Azhagi, after a long time, that made people to listen (either buy cassette or copy the songs in your own cassettes -- the latter method is followed much in southern districts of thamizhnaadu, as usual) to the songs after seeing the movie. You may tend to not believe me as im a IR Fan but this is what i witnessed in many parts of southern thamizhnaadu. Might be that you did not have a chance to know about this fact, as not much importance is/was given by media to such mass appeals.
  
  Also, Even when Sindhu Bhairavi was a chart buster (in terms of those days), nobody was rocking and swaying to those numbers.
  
  Oflate ARR's songs were not so "listened-to" songs in these southern districts. Not Kandukondaen Kandukondaen, not Kannathil Muththamittal, not Parthalae paravasam. It was Bharani's Paarvai onRae Podhumae(PoP) that made a big impact after, Indian. After that only these two movies (not to that much of PoP) made impact there.
  
  These thinks are post-film release popularities.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 3 07:46:42 EDT 2002
  
  I agree kupps, they are smash hits. Crowds may not be rocking or swaying to them, but they are still smash hits. That is why I said:
  
  ARR=Sivaji
  IR=Madhavan
  
  Happy now?
  
  

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