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Is Rahman Village, Carnatic and Background Musically Challenged?

Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.

Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.

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• From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Wed Nov 1 18:36:55 EST 2000
  
  RajaG,
  Neer Periya Carnatic Music Genuis Manasulla Nenapappa. I was not sure about the Raga of "Poomalai" song and I was sure about the Maghazhi Thingal song though. Everybody is not born with knowledge like you. I am not ashamed to learn by making mistakes. First of all, I did not claim that "Poomalai" song from Sindhu Bhairavi is of "Sindhu Bhairavi" Raga. My point was totally different.You did not seem to understand.
  
  Supudu knows atleast more than you and he is a well respected critic for the past few decades. First when you write try to respect others feelings and stop degrading people.
  
  IR neither clamed that he composed "Poomalai" song in "Kaanada" ragaam. Infact, he has never done that with any song for that matter.
  
  
• From: IR fans, your attention please (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Wed Nov 1 18:38:17 EST 2000
  
  Dorai and other IR fans,
  
  Ungalukku ellam mooLaiyE kidaiyaadha? Indha ARR fansukkittE pesadheenga man. Avangaloda "music sense/taste" ellaam vera. idhu ungalukke nalla irukka? Indha aaLungitta pesi enna prove panna try pannureenga. Pesama poi nimmadhaye unga arumaiyaana Bosela/Music systemla arumaiyaana IR paattu keLunga. Nimmadhiya irukkalam. Indha foruthai aaLuradhu ARR fans dhaan. Ivanga gumbala pesikittu vandhu IR fansai attack panna dhaan try pannuvaanga. Indha foruthila IR music greata ARR music greatannu pesuradhu muttaaLthanam. Ivangi kitte eN vettiya pesareenga. If you want to do something good to IR and his music, please do not discuss IR's music with an ARR fan. Go and listen to IR's music and enjoy! You get only irritated in this forum, there is no use writing anything in this topic or anything in this forum which relates to IR. There are big hecklers around in this forum and some haughty people who write in this forum and boast of their technical knowledge and English and try to annihilate innocent posters and surfers. This forum is very biased and does not give credit any credit to IR who is still considered a musical genius in the Tamil cine industry. But in this so called Tamil family/friends discussion forum, the admin people themselves (you know who) is trying to insult IR now and then? If that is the case, why do you people who love IR and respect IR write here and insult him more? Don't you think that is a shame?
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Wed Nov 1 18:44:29 EST 2000
  
  Udaya,
  Let me answer in your own style.
  
  First of all suggest me a Bose System that I can get for $40. I would be glad to buy it immediately.
  
  "Ennavale" is a Pop Song. Thats a great joke. I thought it had classical touch. Is "Marghazhi Thingal" considered a semi-pop, folk, carnatic, hindustani fusion???. What is the real classical song from ARR???. May be yet to come.
  
  By "Digitizing" , I meant digital recording.
  
  
  
  
• From: arr fans your attention (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Wed Nov 1 19:21:35 EST 2000
  
  tap tap tap tap tip tap pada pada pada pada...
  pada pada..pada....tap tap tap tap ....pada
  pada pada pada pada pada
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Nov 1 19:33:19 EST 2000
  
  kannungalaa dorai , rajaG and kiru and Co. please sanda podatheenga...Carnatic a irunda enna, pop a irunda namakku enna... etho ezhavu vittuttu ponga...Adukku ippadi adichukkalaama? abirami abirami...
  
  
• From: KITKAT (@ 202.188.82.98) on: Wed Nov 1 19:37:21 EST 2000
  
  Idha ... Idhathaan naan edhirpaarthen, Baagavadhar mudicha sindu innikki Sindhu Bairavi varaikkum poiduchu. Adhukkuthaan indha threadai appovae close panna sonnen , kaettaathaana:-)
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 63.89.188.123) on: Wed Nov 1 19:51:08 EST 2000
  
  $40 BOSE system = cheap walkman's earphone jack connected to old computer size speakers.
  
  Dorai,
  I'm trying to have an unemotional discussion with you. But if you're getting frustrated, so be it.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Nov 1 20:00:36 EST 2000
  
  what is emotional discussion?
  
  
• From: Yedakkan (@ 207.82.165.101) on: Wed Nov 1 20:13:23 EST 2000
  
  Swamiji, it is a discussion that is full of e-motions.
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Wed Nov 1 20:39:38 EST 2000
  
  swaamiji, unga poorviham ennavO?
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.130) on: Thu Nov 2 00:28:09 EST 2000
  
  Trend,
  
  I think I was not clear in stating my view point. I never said the PRONOUNICATION is different. I said ACCENT is different. There is subtle difference between these two words. Thats y i took English word (capability) as an example in my first posting in this thread.
  
  Pronounciation (atleast in English) is Grammatical in nature. If the language defines that this word should be pronounced in this way then if one wants to follow the rules that person should follow the grammar dictation. Whereas Accent is geographical in nature (it may not be only geographical there may be other aspects also but lets take only geographical for our discussion). Hence 'two English speakers speak one english word according to the grammar' means that their pronounciation is same but their accent can differ.
  
  Now using this anology i tried to interpret the folk based cine songs of ARR. I said that many of his folk based songs r really folk based. It means that the tune(equal to the pronounciation) is folk in nature. Then comes a question; why people then feel its not a pucca/authenticated folk? So i tried to interpret that. It may be the Accent(here called as singing style, or as i termed as rahmaan style or rahmaanish) which makes people to feel it not that much authenticated folk.
  
  why? Its because of listening folk songs given by pre-rahmaan cine songs, actual folk singers like pushpavanam kuppuswamy, vijayalakshmi navaneethakrishnan and other not well know folk singers. Rahmaan songs' Accent (in folks based songs) are definitely different from these conventional folk based songs of tamilnadu. It does not follow what the folk based songs follow hitherto. It is defintely a deviation from the track(i hope you agree with me).
  
  But, by saying this i'm not concluding that whether this accent of rahmaan songs are good or bad. Its upto you, me and others. If you feel its ok or great to have an entirely different/alien accent for a tamil folk song then fine i cannot refute, its your taste like those of millions. Else If you feel one should not import an alien/different accent for a folk based song if one needs to say it an authenticated one then thats also fine you again fall under millions who feel that way, and again i cannot refute. That is why i never tried to conclude whether it is good or bad. I just tried to reason why people feel it different.
  
  [...
  But if you ask my opinion as a rasika i wud say i dont feel it is fine bcos i need the accent should also be the same for cine folk song to claim as a tamil folk song. it is refutable, i agree but why i feel so is bcos if we keep on changing like this and that of an folk song of a particular region then finally it will lose its originality. im of a person who feel certain things should not change. but at the same time i give due respect to the experimental brain of rahmaan who could think in this way. otherwise there wont be any difference between ARR and G.Kuppusamy :-)
  ...]
  
  What ever is stated between [... and ...] is my individual opinion its not my point for this argument's conclusion.
  
  Hope i clarified my point here.
  
  Btw Udhaya i agree with your point that many times a geniune opposite view is taken for fight. But take that also in positive way and DONT contribute to the fight but DO contribute your point of disagreement in geniune way as you did.
  
  Also udhaya, im sorry had i insulted you by saying kudumi pidi sandai. just give a :-) at that word and please proceed. it was not deliberate.
  
  Thanks for reading this lengthy junk, friends.
  
  Kuppu
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38) on: Thu Nov 2 00:32:39 EST 2000
  
  Many people here seem to point out that ARR doesnt know folk music - they seem to be exclusively referring to "tamil folk" music. Why is that "folk" refers to only "tamil-folk"??? ARR's folk songs are largely based on northi/arabic numbers. Even chaiya chaiya inspired from a sufi song is a folk number. Varaha Nadikarai oram is also a folk number. Ottagathai katiko, and dandiya aatam aada are all based on gujrati folk style.
  
  I dont understand why "digitising" is considered as anti-folk. I think digitising adapts the traditional folk numbers to a higher-level technically.
  
  ARR is certainly not challenged in village numbers - His village numbers spans all around India, not just restricting it to tamil nadu.
  
  
  
• From: G. Kuppusamy (@ 156.153.255.130) on: Thu Nov 2 01:44:14 EST 2000
  
  chandy,
  
  im not analysing other type of folk songs from ARR which i already had clarified. i take only those folk based songs of him which are claimed to be (or which i feel) based on tamil folk songs, say like varaaha nadhi karai oram.
  
  on analysing such folks based songs my conclusion was like that. i did neither generalised it for other folk based songs nor i said wether it is bad.
  
  hope i clarified my point.
  
  kuppu
  
  
• From: dyslexic Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu Nov 2 01:46:47 EST 2000
  
  Rahman has not been challenged yet. I am sure he will do good if he is challenged. but who will challenge him ?
  
  thumbs up - taste the thunder
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Thu Nov 2 09:49:57 EST 2000
  
  Udhaya,
  I am ready for an unemotional discussion. Infact, I prefer that much more than personal attacks and getting too personal. It was you who started with it and I had to answer you in the same way.
  
  In a lighter sense,I still can't figure out a walkman of "Bose" make for $40. Now, people can judge who got emotional.
  
  Fact remains the same no matter what ever masala people add to it to change it. So, is IR's work. It is irreplaceable, uncomparable and unattainable by any MD in the world.
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 131.230.25.38) on: Thu Nov 2 10:51:02 EST 2000
  
  Dorai,
  
  Please refer to the title of the thread and see your posting above. Could you pls tell me how they are related?
  
  chandy
  
  

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