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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Apr 6 22:30:33 EDT 1999
  
  NaNbaN,
  
  You mean IR is a "copy - cat" ?
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Apr 6 22:34:49 EDT 1999
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ nyor1ts1.ny.us.ibm.net) on: Tue Apr 6 23:02:51 EDT 1999
  
  Nerruppu:
  
  I mean the song is a commercial hit and BASH hit in newtfmpage.
  
  Velaiyaththavan:
  
  It might be "CAT-Copy". IR is genius. If you know any CAT friends tell them some of the TFMmers don't like them(CATS)sound like IR music. Its a copy and plagarism of IR music. Ask them to shut their mouth. Do they dare to debate on TFM about this copy issue.
  
  Eppa Velaiyaththavan, you know on thing. ARR has ran out of stuff long ago. I just figured it out now. In the Gentelman son " Chikku bukku raillay"
  he create any SOUND, that he copied the TRAIN sound. You remember TA TA TAT, TA TA TAT. It exactly TRANish. What do you say?
  
  NaNbaN
  
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Tue Apr 6 23:11:26 EDT 1999
  
  ayyoayyO yEmpA ippadi kovichukkira ? nAney velaiyaththavan. Yenakku ivlO complicateda padhil sollaNumgira avasiyamE illai. You know I am a meek guy. After all Velaiyaththavan :-)
  
  
• From: Mahesh (@ 1cust102.tnt4.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Wed Apr 7 01:03:04 EDT 1999
  
  To the controversy regarding Minsara Poovae, yes I have started it, and I am sticking to it, to my knowledge its a Xerox from the previous songs mentioned before.
  Well it may be "Vasantha" or whatever raga, but a talented MD should know to compose a song which would be difficult for people to find or atleast some difficulty in finding it. IR has always done this in most of the songs. this ARR's latest hit shows IRs influence on him, any MD for that matter would always have that influence on them, since IR has touched every aspect of music in his music.
  I don;t say that IR owns "Vasantha" or monopolized it, it is the individual talent of the MD to take the core from the Raga, fine tune it and give it with his own style. If people can lift all the Ragas and reproduce it in films we don't need a ARR here.
  
  
• From: Mahesh (@ 1cust102.tnt4.beaverton.or.da.uu.net) on: Wed Apr 7 01:03:43 EDT 1999
  
  To the controversy regarding Minsara Poovae, yes I have started it, and I am sticking to it, to my knowledge its a Xerox from the previous songs mentioned before.
  Well it may be "Vasantha" or whatever raga, but a talented MD should know to compose a song which would be difficult for people to find or atleast some difficulty in finding it. IR has always done this in most of the songs. this ARR's latest hit shows IRs influence on him, any MD for that matter would always have that influence on them, since IR has touched every aspect of music in his music.
  I don;t say that IR owns "Vasantha" or monopolized it, it is the individual talent of the MD to take the core from the Raga, fine tune it and give it with his own style. If people can lift all the Ragas and reproduce it in films we don't need a ARR here.
  
  I accept ARR has given some good numbers too, but this songs is a 100% lift.
  
  
• From: Analyser (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Wed Apr 7 07:39:32 EDT 1999
  
  NanNBAN:
  
  Chuthi Chuthi Vandeeha Ellaraiyum Thittuneeha Enna Than Ninachi Neenga Vambukku Vandeeha.
  
  Wow. Looks like VM job is an easy one.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy15.ykt.prodigy.net) on: Wed Apr 7 09:03:03 EDT 1999
  
  Mahesh ,
  IR has created many tunes in kalyani, so did MSV -- as per your theory we brand all kalyanis of IR are lifts from MSV's kalyani. Will you agree!
  You are talking like a child, the song by ARR was set in Vasantha and no way sounds like IR or anyone for that matter.
  Do not waste your time on ARR bashing,
  
  clear your ignorance on Ragas.
  
  
• From: naNbanukku thOzhan (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Wed Apr 7 10:08:19 EDT 1999
  
  naNban,
  
  I have a read a few posts of yours. First, it takes a couple of rewinds and re-reads to understand what you are trying to say. Could you please go through your writing before you post them? Thanks! Second, after reading and trying to understand what you are trying to communicate, I realized that I was better off not spending the energy - What's your point anyway? For example, Chikku Bukku - Train sound.....please konjam niruththi nidhaanamaa yOsichchu, enna solla vareengaLo adha konjam vivaramaa edhuththu sollungaLen.
  
  P.S. With friends like you, people don't need.....
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Uyir Thozhan of Nanbanukku Nanban (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Apr 7 10:18:25 EDT 1999
  
  rajag: eNNA mAVARAASA, Ippadi kaduppayittenga? Nanban edho humour panninaaru. Enna konjam hi-level-la yaarukkumae puriyaadha maadhiri pannittaru? Ippadi koba padalaama?:))
  
  
• From: Analyser (@ alcor.concordia.ca) on: Wed Apr 7 10:30:56 EDT 1999
  
  Ellai Thandeedha Ennai Thoondadheeha....
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Wed Apr 7 10:33:11 EDT 1999
  
  Raj,
  With IDs like 'kcecfp02.sprint.com' and 'master.hyd.deshaw.com', I guess we can never maintain anonymity. adhukkaaga ippadu nadu sandhaiyila Em maanaththa vaangaNumaa. avar joke sollattum. aanaa enna pOla tube light kku konjam advance notice kuduththaa, naanum appappO purinjaa maadhiri nadichchu, sirichchu vaippEn. illainnaa enna maaththiram thaniyaa engEyo Kansas la odhukki vachchaa maadhiri irukku. Wait a minute, I am in Kansas.....
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Wed Apr 7 10:36:50 EDT 1999
  
  rajaG: Ungalukku mattum illai..Yaarukkumae puriyalai. Kansas-aanaalum sari..k.k nagar-aanaalum sari.adhu dhaan speciality-e!
  See Creativity of IR
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Apr 7 10:40:06 EDT 1999
  
  Mahesh,
  
  "If people can lift all the Ragas and reproduce it in films we don't need a ARR here.".. Ragas cannot be lifted by anyone. A particular sequence or pattern with which one uses a raga leads to a song. If you listen to more songs set in the same raga, you would probably understand and appreciate this better. For example "Alai paayudhe kanna" - a popular devotional song and "poo maalai vaangi vandaan poookal illaye" - in sindubhairavi. You'll note that they sound similar - because the underlying raga is same - kaanada. Another example is kannodu kanbadhellam in jeans and singaara vellane deva.. they are both set of the same raagam. The similarity in songs set to same raga does not imply lack of creativity or originality of any MD. Please do not make sweeping statements like "100% lift" etc.
  
  chandy
  
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam. (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Wed Apr 7 11:13:58 EDT 1999
  
  RAga lift :;
  What a crazay concept It is like saying IR used SA rE MA PAnote , so if others use it is a copy.
  
  Indian music is closly related with Raga --- I do not know where the heck this discussion is heading to.
  
  I remember people use to discuss here good things here -- about music --- like Ragam , scales, chords etc. (People like Srinath, Srikanth, Sriram lakshman and RajaG many more),
  
  but off late few morans who do not understand or not ready to understand the basic essence of music -- spoil the discussion here. Claiming that using the same raga as copy...what the heck is happening here.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Wed Apr 7 11:26:46 EDT 1999
  
  Mr K,
  
  Don't you feel you had been a bit too harsh on Mahesh personally (sic the last post)? konjam relx paNNunga.Cool. :-)
  
  
• From: Mahesh (@ dam-9.bpa.gov) on: Wed Apr 7 15:15:09 EDT 1999
  
  My complaint is not about lifting of Raga, it is about lifting of the pattern that someone has already produced. I am not a ARR basher, music should be accepted if it is good, it does not have any lingustic, geographical, personal barriers, I am complaining only about this song of ARR.
  To the accusation about my understanding the concept of Raga and not knowing the basic essence of music, I would like to let them know that I think that I have atleast some basic understanding of music and Ragas as my background comes from a musical family with my father being a light/classical music orchestra director and mother a Classical music teacher for 30 years, and my grandpa is a renowed carnatic musician. If I do not know the basics of music I would not be enjoying different kinds of music from Paul Mauriat to Vijayalakshmi Navannethan.
  
  For people who wanted to take the dicussion personally and sarcastically about me they may email me, I feel everybody has the right to express his/her opinion about an artist or his creativity. I don;t have any personal grudge against ARR or I do not adore IR, whoever gives the best I listen to them
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Wed Apr 7 15:36:36 EDT 1999
  
  Mahesh :
  You may come from a Great musical circuit, but still your claim of saying ARR flicked from IR's score and GA's score is bit too much. Vasnatha is a very much a risky raga, it will sound the same , infact all IR's vasantha sounds more like "Nadanam adinal" to me, can I just blame IR that he flicked from Carnatic music.
  
  Can you explain the lifting the pattern -- what do you mean by this , I am not able get it, A Raga is a pattern of pre conceived notes, the greatness of indian music is, with different gamakas and brigas on the same raga - it becomes a new tune each time.
  
  How can you say the pattern is flicked. If I compose a song in vasantha I am bound to use
  SA GA MA THA NE SA / SA NE THA MA NE RE SA
  
  
  I am really Sorry if I have hurt your feelings, off late it has become more reasonless ARR bashing --- rather music.
  
  
  
• From: Clarify (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Apr 7 16:48:04 EDT 1999
  
  I am really Sorry if I have hurt your feelings, off late it has become more reasonless ARR bashing --- rather music.
  
  Now what does the heck does that mean? Why dont you just think for a moment before posting meaningless statements like this in bold ? That would save us lots and lots of time. And it would be real nice if you could refrain from calling people names (moron is'nt the nicest word you could use to convey your point, right?).
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Apr 7 16:51:11 EDT 1999
  
  Mahesh,
  
  "My complaint is not about lifting of Raga, it is about lifting of the pattern that someone has already produced.."
  
  I'd appreciate if you could let us know pattern-by-pattern how minsaara kanna is a "xerox" and "100% lift". Which are the "patterns" in minsaara kanna, in your opinion, are lifted, and from what sources? This would help us understand your stand and verify the veracity of your claims.
  
  And Mr.kuzhapam, you have raised some interesting issues your earlier postings, ein other threads too. Why do you want to join the gang of personal attackers and use terms like morons etc? It would be good if you could avoid use of such words.
  
  chandy
  
  

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