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Topic started by Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on Sat Oct 3 20:06:55 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Everyone is pretty bored and fed up with arguing on differences of opinions regarding MDs right ? After all typically, what would we TFMers discuss suppose we meet in person ?. Song discussions right ? So here is the thread.

Idea is someone will introduce a song and we all will discuss about the song, period. Limitation is we will automatically move to another song after 5 days of discussion. ie. anyone contributing to the thread after the first set of 5 days will have to come up with a new song!. Also whoever is starting first can state the ending date of five day period.

Some help from Ravi is required for this until some time for people to really start adhering to this.

BTW why 5 days ?? Obviously to keep the thread fresh and alive !!

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Responses:

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• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Jan 7 10:33:13 EST 1999
  
  hi karthi
  great song u have chosen. some outstanding lyrics and excellent singing by TMS.
  let's get started.
  
  amaidhiyaana nadhiyinile odum
  odam aLavillaatha veLLam vanthaal aadum
  ...
  can't recall the rest.
  yaaravathu vaangappa.
  
  
• From: rs (@ pan.uk.ibm.com) on: Thu Jan 7 10:52:49 EST 1999
  
  kaatrinilum m azhaiyinilum...
  
  
  ayyayo maranthuduche!!
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.16) on: Thu Jan 7 14:42:19 EST 1999
  
  rs,
  
  I will continue the song from where you left,
  
  "kaatrinilum mazhayinilum kalanga vaikkum idiyinilum"
  
  aihaiyo, enakkum marandhuduchae!!!
  
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Fri Jan 8 09:02:37 EST 1999
  
  yaa
  kidaithuvittathu
  
  'kaatrinilum mazhaiyinilum
  kalanga vaikkum idiyinilum
  tharaiyinile othungi ninRaal
  vaazhum hoi hoi
  amaidhiyaana...
  
  "thennai ilangeetrinile thaalaattum thenralathu
  thennai maram saayththuvidum puyalaaga varumpozhuthu
  amaidhiyaana.....
  
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on: Fri Jan 8 14:04:41 EST 1999
  
  cram,
  
  i think it is,
  
  thennai ilangeetrinaiye thaalaattum thendralathu
  thennai thanai saaithuvidum puyalaaga varumpozhuthu..
  
  Continuing..
  
  aatrangarai mettinile.. aadi nirkum naanalathu..
  kaatradithaal saaivathillai.. kanitha manam veezhvathillai..
  
  amaithiyaana..
  
  
  Very meaningful song indeed!
  
  
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.26) on: Fri Jan 8 15:21:37 EST 1999
  
  Cram and Nakkeeran,
  
  Thanks for completing that song. A great lyric by Kannadasan from the film "Aandavan Kattalai". This film also had another great song, "aaru manamae aaru... andha Aandavan Kattalai aaru".
  
  
• From: reviver (@ 166.34.139.62) on: Fri Jan 8 15:46:07 EST 1999
  
  hello shanmugam
  
  that is not ending, P.S will continue after T.M.S. but I am sorry I forget those sentance
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet21.us.oracle.com) on: Fri Jan 8 17:33:19 EST 1999
  
  reviver,
  
  You are right. I think the third one goes like,
  
  naanalil kaaleduthu nadandhu vandha penmai idhu..
  ... ... thottil kattum menmai(?) idhu..
  
  I dont clearly remember this part of the song.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam Murugappan (@ 208.236.83.26) on: Fri Jan 8 19:26:32 EST 1999
  
  Reviver,
  
  You are right. I should have written, "the completion of that part of the song and not the song, as such". Anyway, thanks for that clarification. BTB, I believe there are 2 versions of the same song, right?
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-06.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Fri Jan 8 19:36:56 EST 1999
  
  naanalile kaaleduthu nadandhu vandha penmai idhu
  naanamenum thendralile thottil kattum menmaiyidhu
  
  andhiyil mayangivizhum kaalaiyil thelindhuvidum
  anbu mozhi kettu vittal thunba nilai maari vidum
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ ncr1.ece.sc.edu) on: Sat Jan 9 02:54:11 EST 1999
  
  I think I would discuss a small interpretation of mine. I take up the "Madai thirandhu". I have only a small point to make. This song is representative of IR himself - his life and acievements. In an interlude of the song I find an amazing correlation. It starts with harmonium without any chord or orhestrating accompaniment. then four chord are played in the harmonium. then comes electric guitar and then aburst of beat. As the interlude proceeds it lands in a violin follwed by choral presentation and then comes the voice of SPB.
  
  I think it is indicative of the way he learnt music. He learnt harmonium first, then practiced chord accompaniment on it. He was then trained in guitar and then the chords on guitar. Then he was trained in Western classical violins. In the song he probably indicated that he has passed all these levels one by one and by incorporating the choral harmony he had already signalled his presence to the western world that he is building on the lines of the great music masters.
  
  Regards
  
  Murali Sankar
  
  
• From: RR (@ sv.cache.nlanr.net) on: Sat Jan 9 08:23:23 EST 1999
  
  That was an interesting interpretation, Murali Sankar!
  
  
• From: Sandeep (@ 166.37.105.63) on: Sat Jan 9 14:29:03 EST 1999
  
  Is the song 'Madai Thirandhu" from Nizhalgal?
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ ncr1.ece.sc.edu) on: Sat Jan 9 15:04:42 EST 1999
  
  Yes Sandeep
  
  
• From: karthi (@ lab3.theatrium.net) on: Sat Jan 9 20:39:31 EST 1999
  
  Hi Guys!
  
  "Amaidhiyaana Nadhiyinile" lyrics-la some minor corrections, uh!
  
  '....kaattrinilum mazhaiyinilum....
  .....kalanga vaikkum idiyinilum....
  '... karaiyinile odhungi.....' and not 'tharaiyinile'!
  (odam cannot odhungufy in tharai!)
  
  similarly,
  
  'naanalile kaaledhuthu nadakka vandha' ..not nadandhu vandha.
  
  
  
  
• From: reviver (@ 166.34.139.62) on: Mon Jan 11 17:43:47 EST 1999
  
  hello karthi
  
  everything is correct but not "nadakka" "nadandhu" thaan correct.
  
  
• From: reviver (@ 166.34.139.62) on: Wed Jan 13 15:41:13 EST 1999
  
  hi guys
  what happened to you all ?
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ ncr1.ece.sc.edu) on: Thu Jan 14 13:32:38 EST 1999
  
  I do not know, reviver. I think some kara sara discussion is required to make this thread live. I find myself too with ohers in the same boat.
  
  
• From: RS (@ sungold5.uk.ibm.com) on: Fri Jan 15 04:30:50 EST 1999
  
  What happened to song discussion.
  
  Ore silent-a irukku??
  
  
• From: pee soo (@ ramses.erlm.siemens.de) on: Wed Jan 20 05:57:49 EST 1999
  
  Shall we take up the song un paarvaiyil Or aayiram from amman kOvil kizhakkalE for the discussion?
  
  vairamuththuvin varigaLil irundhu, oru kaadhalan, than kaadhaliyai patriya sugamaana [Or vice versa, thanx to different male/female solo versions] ninaivugaLudan paaduvathaai irukka vENdum ena oogikkirEn. Can somebody please tell me the situation(s) underwhich this song comes? [Also, the small changes in lyrics accordingly]
  
  There seem to be multiple versions for this song: 1) KJ Yesudas, 2) KS Chitra 3) KSY & KSC. iLaiyaraajaa-vin uRuththaadha inimaiyaana mayakkum isai. tabla & voice track are the major mood setters.
  
  Here are the lyrics for KSC version: [my sincere thaks to TFSA page for complete lyrics!]
  un paarvaiyil oaraayiram
  kavidhai naan ezhudhuvaen kaatril naanae
  nidhamum unnai ninaikkiraen
  ninaivinaalae anaikkiraen (un paarvaiyil)
  
  First Stanza:
  asaindhu isaiththadhu vaLaikkaram thaan
  isaindhu isaiththadhu pudhu swaram thaan
  siriththa sirippoli silamboli thaan
  kazhuththil iruppadhu valamburi thaan
  
  irukkum varaikkum eduththukkodukkum
  irukkum varaikkum eduththukkodukkum
  
  manadhai mayilidam izhandhaenae
  mayangi dhinam dhinam vizhundhaenae
  
  maRandhu piRandhu paRandhu dhinam magizha
  
  (un paarvaiyil)
  
  Second Stanza:
  
  aNaiththu nanaindhadhu thalaiyaNai thaan
  aduththa adiyenna eduppadhu naan
  padukkai viriththadhu unakkenath thaan
  iduppai vaLaiththenai aNaiththidath thaan
  
  ninaikka maRandhaai thaniththup paRandhaen
  ninaikka maRandhaai thaniththup paRandhaen
  
  maRaiththa mugaththirai thiRappaayoa
  thiRandhu agaththidai iruppaayoa
  
  irundhu virundhu irandu manam inaiya
  
  (un paarvaiyil)
  
  
  
• From: rs (@ sungold3.uk.ibm.com) on: Wed Jan 20 08:03:35 EST 1999
  
  PS: kalakitte. KSCvoda sola version solren, kelu.
  
  Vijaykanth will marry Radha by force just to punish her. After marraige, Radha will start liking vijaykanth(enna oru turn). still vijaykanth will be ignoring her. So, she will sing this song where she is longing for his love.
  
  I think the second stanza is extremely good and it well portrays the situation. enna solre nee?
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.28.18) on: Wed Jan 20 17:59:23 EST 1999
  
  I am compelled to say that just before this discussion I had got the CD and was listening to the song more than ten times a day and continue to do so.
  
  Some interesting features:
  
  (1) Use of harmonium (especially in the prelude)
  (2) Out of the twelve swaras all except R1 and D1 appear.
  (3) try playing the song on keyboard. 'll find that "kavithai naan ezhuthuven " and "ninaikka maRandhaai thaniththup paRandhaen
  ninaikka maRandhaai thaniththup paRandhaen" have alternating swara patterns
  
  
• From: RS (@ sungold4.uk.ibm.com) on: Thu Jan 21 05:02:01 EST 1999
  
  oh, great Murali Shankar, Thanks for that piece of info
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Thu Jan 21 14:24:43 EST 1999
  
  One small doubt:
  
  The second line goes like,
  kavidhai naan ezhudhuvaen kaatril naanae
  
  shouldn't it be 'kaatril thaane' rather than 'kaatril naane', especially since naan has already appeared in that line.
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Jan 21 14:59:46 EST 1999
  
  Good points, Murali !
  
  Another attractive piece about the music in the song is that in the portions (at the end of the charanams),
  
  paRandhu dhinam magizha
  
  and
  
  iraNdu manam iNaiya ,
  
  the percussion stops, and the effect of the bass guitar is felt prominently.
  
  
• From: SPS (@ ramses.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Jan 22 03:01:10 EST 1999
  
  Since I havent seen the movie, Im unable to get the depth of the song. But here are my predictions based on the moodset and lyrics. For the on going discussion I presume 'nayagan' is singing this while dwelling in the thoughts of 'nayagi'
  
  In the pallavi, he states tht he is 'virtually' living with her and she is the one and only thing in his thoughts.
  un paarvaiyil oaraayiram
kavidhai naan ezhudhuvaen kaatril naanae
nidhamum unnai ninaikkiraen
ninaivinaalae anaikkiraen

  The phrase 'kaatril ezhuthuthal' is typically used to denote 'short-living'/'changing-the-state-quickly'; But, here, I guess, may be the lyricist wanted to emphasis differently abt the dreams not coming true. May be he means:
  un vizhigaL thandha kanavugaL, nijamaagum varai, kaatril unai siththariththu, ninaivil unai thinam aNaiththu, kavithai'yaai athai vadiththu, uyir vaazhgirEn
  In the first stanza (charaNam), nayagan states, how each and every action of nayagi appears very sweet and pleasant to him:
  asaindhu isaiththadhu vaLaikkaram thaan
isaindhu isaiththadhu pudhu swaram thaan

  asaiyum vaLaiyalgaL ezhuppum isai, ithu varai kEttiraadha puthu swaram. Enendral athu "avaL"udaiyathaayitrE..
  siriththa sirippoli silamboli thaan
  
  indha silamboli'ya enakku therinja varaikkum oru maathiri dhigil padaththukku thaan use paNNi irukkaanga, "jal jal"nu.. ivar mattum thaan romantic'a kaRpanai paNNi, siruppoli sounds as silamboli'nu classic'aa solli irukkaar!
  
  kazhuththil iruppadhu valamburi thaan
  
  Shouldnt it be, "kazhuththu enakkoru valamburi thaan"?
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Jan 22 05:02:23 EST 1999
  
  silambu udaindhadhum muththukkaL naalaapakkamum sidharuvadhaip pOl nee siriththal muththukkaL sidharum. un sirippoli silamboli thaan. any day a better one than "telephone maNi pOl sirippavaL ivaLA"
  
  

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