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KARTHIK RAAJA vs YUVAN SHANKAR RAJA - WHO IS THE BEST?

Topic started by J.P. SINGH (@ ppp45-216.lvsb.vsnl.net.in) on Thu Jul 2 09:30:28 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Hi guys put your comments on the talant of the above two MDs.

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• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Mar 8 07:10:07 EST 1999
  
  Agreed totally about Poovellam Kettupaar, Shankar. It's very ARRish. Nithyashree's song has a 'Muslim' start.....and carries on in Madhyamavathi.... He has potential, it's just that he tries to do a 'cheap' imitation of ARR. On the whole, PK is not a bad album, in terms of listenability.
  
  By the way, he has also used Nithyashree in The Blast, where she is singing a jokey version of the Evvari Bhodhana Aboghi Varnam.... Looks like they can't keep away from 'lifts'..... Raja_Fan, YSR is trying Pop....and doesn't do too many film songs..... I'm waiting to hear The Blast, to see what sort of job he's done.....IMO a lot of his music is Noise.....
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ 155.33.63.239) on: Mon Mar 8 12:07:01 EST 1999
  
  Duh!
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Mar 8 12:54:09 EST 1999
  
  CHAN: What does the duh! refer to?
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ 155.33.63.239) on: Mon Mar 8 13:47:25 EST 1999
  
  Beg pardon Geetha. Surely not your views...:-)).
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Mon Mar 8 16:29:56 EST 1999
  
  Ms. Geetha,
  If YSR's music is noise according to you, the costlier version of YSR ie., the music of ARR ennavo?? Bayangara noise'sa.
  
  Come on people, lets' learn to appreciate, rather than being apprehensive. That kid (YSR) has scored something. He'll improve.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Tue Mar 9 02:46:16 EST 1999
  
  swami,
  
  If he's r not sure of giving good album ,why is he trying that ???
  
  He did give a great song in eera nilA (aravindan ) why does he try to imitate arr.
  
  
• From: dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Mar 9 17:55:40 EST 1999
  
  Folks,
  There is an article in this weeks Ananda Vikatan on the "Povelaam Kettupar" cassette release program.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Mar 9 20:51:33 EST 1999
  
  Guys, I just listened to "Poovellaam Kaettuppaar" by YSR and I really liked a lot of it. It is youthful and happy music. Mostly rhythm intense, dance and pop songs, but the kid knows how to have fun. His interludes are polished and very infectious; they don't seem thrown into the sandham, they rather blend and shape the sandham which is pretty mature for him. YSR knows his way around a synth and mixes as is evident here.
  
  As for Karthik Raaja I absolutely loved two melodious duets from "Ullaasam", but that's about it. I haven't heard much else of his that I liked and "Kaadhalaa Kaadhalaa" and the other Prabhu Deva movie were not my cup of cappuccino. Also, KR has a tendency to pick god-awful singers.
  
  I think YSR has a more distinct style (Andha Thalaivan vazhiyae nadakkaamal thanakkoru paadhaiyai vagukkiraan payyan). To call him ARRish is so unfair to this young artist. If good use of rhythms and strings is ARRish then that label is going to threaten every new artist in TFM. I don't find any interludes or sandhams in "Poovellaam Kettuppaar" that's similar to ARR or any other MD for that matter. Give him a break, guys.
  
  A few minor disses:
  -Sukvinder Singh butchers and slaughters Thamizh, what a travesty, especially since the music was good.
  -Unni Krishnanukku ethukku nakkal paadalgal? Trying to sound hip in places he sounds like a hemaphrodite.
  -Sahana endroru singer Bhavathaarani illaatha niraiyai theerkkiraar.
  
  If not for Sukvinder Singh's Thamizh kolai, every track on this album would have been praiseworthy. As it stands, the album is worth a buy if you like happy pop music. It is still early in the year but "Poovellaam Kaettuppaar" is my pick for "Party Album of the Year".
  
  
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ elo.mit.edu) on: Wed Mar 10 17:42:44 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya I agree with u. PK looks like a good album.
  
  I liked the song oh seno rita..(Unni comes with a new pronounciation) but the song sounds very familiar...any comments on that.
  
  Btw could any 1 tell me where i can get the downloadable version of KK.
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Thu Mar 11 12:25:40 EST 1999
  
  guys, can you please tell me, whether any song from poovellam kettupar avaiable in any of the sites to listen?
  
  I listened to all YSR albums expect poovellam kettupar. aravindhan is a good album, and in velai, apart from oyyvedu, there is another fun song by Udit narayanan and sujatha.
  But after listening to both of them, My feeling is KR music is more ARRish than YSR.
  But I have not heard poovellam kettupar, so I reserve my final judgement on this.
  
  IMO, So far the best song from KR is nadiyoram veesum katru and from YSR eera nila, and incidently, both sounds more like IR than ARRish.
  
  geetha,
  Yes KR does look more inspired MD to me than YSR.
  
  e.hari
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Mar 11 15:10:33 EST 1999
  
  another fun song by Udit Narayanan
  
  easwara harihara!! Thudikkuthu en Thamizh nenju!!
  
  Anyway.
  
  easy,
  You can go to this site for the "Poovellam Kettuppaar" soundtrack: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Agency/4324/tamil.html
  
  
• From: Nandu (@ piinbh1.ms.com) on: Fri Mar 12 09:17:21 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  
  Try listening to Grahan. IMHO it is one of the best works by any music director in the recent times. I also enjoyed "unnakenna Rasa' from Manickam. That is just a great song....KR definitely has a lot of potential. He blends Carnatic music very well with western interludes. I thought both the Grahan and the song I stated from Manickam are very unique in its Orchestrisation style in that they seem very fluent. Eg. the flute piece in "nacho Jaise' in Grahan....just brilliant and the Shenai piece in Unnakenna Rasa song...very unique. I can see him experimenting already. I was also impressed the way he had handled the Ragam Kalyanavasantham in the song 'Chum chum chum poonenjam' from 'Ennaku oru magan perappan'....Great composition. These are by no means ARRish. They are definitely at a much higher plane than an average ARR song (I mean a normal ARR song...I am NOT implying anything about ARR). Yes he is producing very commercial music...but someone MUST ask him to continue experimenting with Indian and western music. He is in fact my pick for the next emerging Genius in TFM provided he continues to experiment.
  
  YSRs songs on the other hand just sounds like a collection of noise....except 'eera Nila' from Aravindan. But I just cannot see the same fluency as I see in KR or IR early 80's songs. Anyway this is indeed IMHO :)
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: easwaran hariharan (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Fri Mar 12 09:27:37 EST 1999
  
  udahya,
  U go again. My tamil nenju indha madahri padagali
  kettu, hope completea poyachhu, kal nenjupa idhu.
  Regarding Udit, I dont like his voice as such ( (vettali pakku pottundu padara voice), but
  thats not going to stop me enjoying songs, it is cute and fun. another is easwara easwara from
  kannedhire thondirinal.
  
  thanks for your url, I will go and see how it sounds.
  
  Thudipu adangina nenjhu,
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Mar 12 10:14:13 EST 1999
  
  Udhaya: Didn't you think that Poove Poove.....sounded like Thayya Thayya? IMO It's in Madhyamavathi and has a similar ring....
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Fri Mar 12 10:35:19 EST 1999
  
  Listened to PK only once. Not a bad album at all. The song by Sudithar Anithu and CBI (but for Sukh)
  are good. Watch out for this kid people !!!
  
  Ms.Geetha : I don't think Poove Poove sounds like Thayya Thayya.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri Mar 12 11:04:06 EST 1999
  
  My 'rendu paisaa' about Udit:
  
  1) His pronunciation sucks.
  2) He has a voice which sounds like he has a perpetual cold.
  3) He struggles in the mEl sthaayi.
  4) He has absolutely no brigaa or any other technical expertise.
  5) He lacks proper emotion/expression - he does emote/express but most of the times it is one of those 'cheap', theula visil adikkira emotion/expression.
  
  Apart from these 'minor' deficiencies, I think he is the next SPB.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri Mar 12 11:05:23 EST 1999
  
  Oops! #5 should read 'therula' not theula.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ interlock.itthartford.com) on: Fri Mar 12 12:02:20 EST 1999
  
  rajaG,
  your points are very valid for Tamil songs(including the deficiency on higher octave and brigas presentation, leave alone his pronounciation). Is your analysis inclusive of Hindi numbers too? I am not a big fan of Udit, but your points 3) and 4) need some examples for substantiating your views. Have you listened to 'Hey ajnabi tum bhi kabi aawAj de" from Dil Se? I wonder what scale it is set to. His rendering looks OK but for those screamings before the last line of each charanams. It is a nice number, would you have preferred this be sung by somebody else?
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Fri Mar 12 12:29:11 EST 1999
  
  rameshb,
  
  I have to say that struggling in the mElsthaayi, by itself, does not make a singer inferior, but in the case of UN, he is gifted with other deficiencies. Examples of where he struggles in the upper octave are kaadhalikkum peNNin (kaadhalan), raammaa chilakammaa (from the Telugu film choodaalani undhi). Anyway this has has nothing to do with language, so I'm sure there must be plenty of examples in Hindi. (I really do not want to listen to painful Hindi songs to come up with examples, so, please! don't insist. I think ai ajnabi tu bhi kabhi is set in E minor. I don't think it is particularly high and I think UM has rendered it in Thamizh quite well.
  
  Regarding brigaa or technical expertise, it is conspicuous by its absence most of the time. Fortunately, the Tamil MDs are not giving maadhavip pon mayilaaL or oru naaL pOdhumaa for UN to handle, so the deficiencies are not too glaring. Let me give an example which comes to my mind immediately. The song raamma chilakammaa from choodaalani undhi (Calcutta in Thamizh, once again sorry for selecting TeFM and not TFM)is an upbeat typical commercial film song. UN struggles with the brigaa at the line "mukku meedha theepi kOpaalaa". In the first line of the chranam his handling of the descending notes is not clear. It is further made obvious by Swarnalatha, who repeats the same tune with precision and clarity. One almost feels like saying "Listen UN! this is how it is supposed to be done"
  
  Would I have preferred somebody else to do it? My list of definitely NOT:
  1. Kumar Sanu
  2. Sukhwinder Singh
  3. Daler Mehndi
  
  I would'nt mind Hariharan, and while I think the world of SPB, I am not a fan of his Hindi singing. Actually, you know what, I did'nt mind UN's singing for that song at all.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Fri Mar 12 13:18:52 EST 1999
  
  Geetha,
  Okay, now that you mention it, I can see the similarity in the repetition of "Thayya Thayya" and "Poova poova poovae". But after that the song seems different to me. All right, that's one knock on YSR.
  
  I enjoyed the quality of analysis and opinions on all the posts after mine. Keep it up guys. Easwara, I'm glad you took me in jest.
  
  Nandu has convinced me to hear Daud (I would still rather listen to its Thamizh version if there is one) where can I find it on the net?
  
  

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