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Who gave more hit songs in First Ten Years - IR or ARR?

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.200) on Mon Jun 25 22:47:19 EDT 2001.
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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Aug 12 06:36:18 EDT 2001
  
  Jag..I dont know how old u r but I do know that this is the best time for ARR to experiment as much as possible and then mature into a more classical mold using the knowledge that he has gained from his experimentations..actually u can also say that IR is now at the threshold of evolving into a higher stage of music..his output for the next 10 years should show that.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ cps-26-217.cse.msu.edu) on: Mon Aug 13 11:25:40 EDT 2001
  
  cosmican
  I am 25 years old. I think there is no such thing as the "best time" for experimenting. ARR has not reached a stage where he can experiment. If he gives 10 flop musicals in a row, do you think he will still get offers?. From day one I haven't seen any kind of pattern in ARR's music, its always random and never seemed to express what the composer wanted to tell. Believe me if he continues the way he is going now he is heading nowhere. In the days of thiruda thiruda ARR said that he was good in classical music too and gave an example of Kannum Kannum being set in some classical raaga. He could have continued that way, but no he did not.The best way to learn something is to start early, whatever he is doing right now will not help him to get into classical music, it will only make him more and more stereotype like Deva or SAR. Do you think someone will think of hiring ARR when they are making a movie about classical dancing or music? They will definitely go for IR. Experimenting is good , but the opportunities are limited and only those who make good use will benifit like IR. One success leads to another opportunity, a failure closes that avenue completely and seldom has IR failed!
  
  
  Jag
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Mon Aug 13 11:38:04 EDT 2001
  
  //"If he gives 10 flop musicals in a row, do you think he will still get offers?. "//
  
  okay so ur assumption is if u give 10 flops in a row u wont get any offers
  
  ARR is getting offers so we can talk abt that we he gives 10 flops in a row...until then what he does is his direction (which u r not able to see correctly)
  
  //"a failure closes that avenue completely and seldom has IR failed! "//
  
  so why isnt he getting offers! Does that mean he has given flops! oh! now I get it IR is choosy...isnt that the fav. explanation!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Aug 13 12:37:27 EDT 2001
  
  SPB is not getting offers to sing, does that mean that he is singing bad, sounding horrible, I dont think that is the reason.
  
  IR had great success in telugu, where as ARR is a great flop in telugu. All his direct movies were utter flop. This was in his first ten years. I dont know about direct ventures of ARR in mallu. IR was success there too.
  
  I agree with you Jag, But the matter is we are still talking about IR's songs which were some 20 yrs back. But I feel though ARR is for nearly 10 years, most of his songs dont last long. Atleast I dont like to listen atleast 70% of ARR songs any more.
  
  There was a thread ARR and longevity where people's opinion was like why do you need longevity where ARR is there to give a hit each time. You can enjoy current songs. But here the problem is when ARR stops as MD, then he may not remembered like we are remembering IR, MSV etc,. ARR has to realize this inorder to live long like IR, MSV, KVM.
  
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ cps-26-217.cse.msu.edu) on: Mon Aug 13 12:55:17 EDT 2001
  
  //"okay so ur assumption is if u give 10 flops in a row u wont get any offers "//
  Not me, ARR.Three flops in telugu and that was curtains for him in telugu. Yes in my perspective I don't see where he is heading, if you think you know, let me know too. There is a difference between analysing and criticising, I believe I was analysing. I am never against ARR's music and I do have a lot of ARR CD's(only old ones).
  
  //"so why isnt he getting offers! Does that mean he has given flops! oh! now I get it IR is choosy...isnt that the fav. explanation! "//
  
  excuse me?, I am not IR's PA to tell you whether he is choosy or not. And who says he has got no offers?. check out www.raajangahm.com/projects.html
  
  Already I made a digression answering cosmican's
  question and you are making comments which are totally irrelevant to what I said. What is this, IR bashing?
  
  Jag
  
  
  
  
  
• From: G MAURUTHI (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Mon Aug 13 13:23:49 EDT 2001
  
  Ha HA Ha, What a poor bunch of IR lovers ?
  
  And who said ARR was'nt experimenting. If he was'nt we could'nt have had the great pleasure of listening to his variety of music. He combines Bach, Bethoven, Mozart variety of Music with Classical music... Can IR even think of doing such things ?
  
  Why IR fell down was that he did'nt experiment nor did he learn new things.
  
  In YELELO (Parthiban), ARR is combining Irish Music with Indian folkmusic. Does IR know that something called as FOLK existed ?
  
  Ha Ha Ha and who had the brain to say that ARR did not experiment ? It is IR who has'nt experimented resulting in Old-Stick-In-Mud situation.
  
  ARR can put music to films like JEANS and also films like SANGAMAM. JUST IMAGINE IR PUTTING MUSIC FOR 'JEANS' ( HA HA HA HI HI).
  
  Like IR, his fans are also Old-Stick-In-The-Mud... it rots, rots and remains the same.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Aug 13 13:25:01 EDT 2001
  
  //"What is this, IR bashing? "//
  
  now since u said it first! I am sure u r exonerated.
  
  //"ARR.Three flops in telugu "//
  
  last i heard alaipayuthey's telugu version was a hit! what 3 albums is this! since we r withing ARR's 1st 10 years this is not digression .
  
  at to ur analysis
  
  //"ARR has not reached a stage where he can experiment"//
  
  why? and what are the requirements to get to experimental stage?
  
  //"m day one I haven't seen any kind of pattern in ARR's music, its always random and never seemed to express what the composer wanted to tell. "//
  
  now whats up with the recycling funda and saying ARR's songs sound the same? This is totally a volte face on that and saying the opposite! WHat is it that you want with this vague question! what do u think ARR has not told
  
  
  //"whatever he is doing right now will not help him to get into classical music, it will only make him more and more stereotype like Deva or SAR"//
  
  another vague statement! what is defined as "whatever" and why cant it help him into classical music.
  
  //"Do you think someone will think of hiring ARR when they are making a movie about classical dancing or music?"//
  
  what is "sangamam" then? and how many movies have come based on classical dancing or music for which ARR has been ignored?
  
  //"ARR said that he was good in classical music too "//
  
  where did he say so? why does he need to say so?
  
  //"Kannum Kannum being set in some classical raaga. "//
  
  no it was not ARR's point or his delibrate example of a song set in "some" classical raaga to prove his direction to any one? it was just a song designed for the situation from what the director told him. sounded like a rock song to me with that guitar!
  
  see u r too vague. U have not given what u mean by "direction" or atleast any examples of it!
  
  plus u assume that a fundametal trait of being an MD is to flaunt something called "musical direction" which somehow is different from "just doing good music which people like".
  
  what are these direction "requirements" and why should ARR follow ur version of it?
  
  
• From: G MAURUTHI (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Mon Aug 13 13:27:02 EDT 2001
  
  Ha HA Ha, What a poor bunch of IR lovers ?
  
  And who said ARR was'nt experimenting. If he was'nt we could'nt have had the great pleasure of listening to his variety of music. He combines Bach, Bethoven, Mozart variety of Music with Classical music... Can IR even think of doing such things ?
  
  Why IR fell down was that he did'nt experiment nor did he learn new things.
  
  In YELELO (Parthiban), ARR is combining Irish Music with Indian folkmusic. Does IR know that something called as FOLK existed ?
  
  Ha Ha Ha and who had the brain to say that ARR did not experiment ? It is IR who has'nt experimented resulting in Old-Stick-In-Mud situation.
  
  ARR can put music to films like JEANS and also films like SANGAMAM. JUST IMAGINE IR PUTTING MUSIC FOR 'JEANS' ( HA HA HA HI HI).
  
  Like IR, his fans are also Old-Stick-In-The-Mud... it rots, rots and remains the same.
  
  And think of the PRODUCERS ? ARR's Films get a special AURA when he composes for them. People will atleast go for the Movie.
  
  For example take the movie 'Kanna Onnai Thedukiraen' released in Coimabtore recently. It ran for three days. IR was the MD. Think if ARR was the MD. It would have run for some more time.
  ARR is the producers boon.
  
  AND WHO IS MAKING INDIAN MUSIC FAMOUS WORLDWIDE ?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 172.188.118.41) on: Mon Aug 13 13:43:36 EDT 2001
  
  maruthi,
  good going!you had me in splits over some of your staements!expecting more such comedy postings.who knows, i may even start a fan club for you for your humorous postings. my listing for the top 3 humorous statements will be_
  No.1
  Does IR know that something called as FOLK existed ?
  no.2
  He combines Bach, Bethoven, Mozart variety of Music with Classical music... Can IR even think of doing such things ?
  no.3
  And think of the PRODUCERS ? ARR's Films get a special AURA when he composes for them. People will atleast go for the Movie.
  http://www.dinamalar.com/2001August12varamalar/thunuk.htm
  about star sales-read this mate!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ cps-26-217.cse.msu.edu) on: Mon Aug 13 13:55:09 EDT 2001
  
  //last i heard alaipayuthey's telugu version was a hit! what 3 albums is this! since we r withing ARR's 1st 10 years this is not digression//
  Alaipaythey was a dubbed movie. The three movies were direct movies. ARR could not get telugu flavor into his songs like IR could.
  
  //where did he say so? why does he need to say so?//
  
  In an interview which he gave to Hindu ,when Bombay released and the reporter asked why ARR gave only pop kind of music.
  
  //now whats up with the recycling funda and saying ARR's songs sound the same? This is totally a volte face on that and saying the opposite! WHat is it that you want with this vague question! what do u think ARR has not told //
  
  When did I mention recycling funda??, even IR has recycled songs. Well, I felt there was some expression of(joy, sorrow,love,despair, hope) the composer, whenever I listened IR's songs, but only few songs of ARR could get me that kind of feeling(Rajini's opening in Mutthu eg).
  
  //"whatever he is doing right now will not help him to get into classical music, it will only make him more and more stereotype like Deva or SAR"//
  HE is definitely getting stereotyped. WHen a new ARR album releases I hope I can get music like that in Roja, Thiruda Thiruda Gentleman, Pudiya Mugam, new and vibrant, but the music sounds so similar to his other albums.
  
  //what are these direction "requirements" and why should ARR follow ur version of it? //
  no requirements just want good music from him in the future. Don't want to listen to songs because they are set to tune by ARR, but want songs which are good and appeal to the heart. No "direction" either, as I told you before let me know what you think he heading towards. As NCR mentioned longevity is the performance parameter, its value is good if the MD is heading in the right direction.
  
  
  Jag
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Aug 13 14:19:15 EDT 2001
  
  //"The three movies were direct movies"//
  
  to be a little specific...
  what 3 movies??
  what is the recent IR telugu music in the last decade?
  
  Direction:
  
  Give an example of Direction from another music MD. Then I'll understand as to what u mean by
  
  //"as I told you before let me know what you think he heading towards."//
  
  I dunno what exactly u r arriving at! but the closest I can come is....
  
  you have a vague parameter called "direction" based on which u have decided to jusdge ARR. and suddenly the albums of ARR seem hazy to u. These "direction" attribute u seem to find in patches of some other MD's and are not able to find an equivalant in ARR.
  
  Plus again u have the age old indian ailment of living in the past and saying past is great! ( I am not talking abt IR here at all I am talking abt ur reference to roja etc...)
  
  for e.g ARR's latest like lagaan or alaipayuthey.. why does these albums looks as if they lack in direction!
  
  see since u r not being specific i dont even understand what u r arguing for(against)?
  
  

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