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- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 10:30:55 EDT 2000
ravi68 >>"In the krithi "Nidhitsala Sukhama" in Kalyani the line "Sumathii Thyagarajuniki.." is rendered differently using non-Kalyani swaras."<<
I disagree - the notes for that phrase is (usually) Ni; Ri; Ga; gari Sa; - Su Ma Thi Thyaa Ga
It is indeed a beautiful prayoga in Kalyani ...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Aug 18 12:20:22 EDT 2000
Has anybody heard the song "pagalilE oru nilavinai kaNdEn athu karuppu nilaa" ? Can somebody give me the info about that song ? IT seems to be set in Aabhogi ( I can remember only the first two lines of pallavi).
- From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137)
on: Fri Aug 18 13:36:57 EDT 2000
1)MS.. I think that song is sung by S Janaki and is in a film(1985/86) starring Vijaykanth, Rekha(?) and is indeed in Abhogi. MD is Ilayaraaja(?).
2)IR .. I am referring to the fact that the anupallavi sequence" Daasarathiii dyaana bhajana..." and the corresponding charanam sequence "Soomathii Thyagara..." are rendered differently, especially at "Soomathii" and "ri" used is different.Can you clarify me please?Because i have never heard that prayoga in any other krithi in Kalyani, some many are there...I have even SYK's (late ICS) review in the Hindu ,back in the late 80's highlighting this...
3.MS.. Are u sure about the song i am referring to.."Engirindo vandaan..".Because its definetly not Madhyamvathi or Sri.. Have u got the song i am referring to? It goes like" Engirindoo vandaan... Yadhava kulathu..madhavan madusoodanan..Engirindoo..."Do let me know..
4. Whats up on the "Yamuna Nadhiyingae.."?
5. The song "Pramdhavanam.."-Malayalam,"His Highness Abdullah",KJY -Its Tilang? Any good IR songs in Tilang?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:11:13 EDT 2000
ravi:
(3) I think we are mutually discordant :-) I am referring to "engirunthO vandhaan idaijaathi naanendraan" sung by seerkaazi in a film.
I have no clue as to what song you are referring to.
(5)Pramadhavanam is not in thilang. thilang has the follwoing structure :
S G3 M1 P N3 S | S N2 P M1 G3 S
In pramadhavanam there is a repeated use of G2 also.
One song which comes to my mind is "innum ennai enna seyya pOgiraai". IT seems to be in thilang entirely.
Can somebody give the aaro/avaro of JOG ?
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.7)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:20:58 EDT 2000
MS,
5) the song "Ennum ennai enna seyya pogiraai" is in Gambeeranattai. tilang has the same arohanam.
also, the song "Manam virumbuthe unnai" from Nerruku nerr, seems to be in Gambeeranattai in the beginning. but, during the lines, "satendru salanam varum endru", i see the usage of 'ri2'.
is it kedaram ?
how about "pachai killigal tholodu" from Indian ?
is it Ananda bhairavi ? can someone tell me ?
- From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:27:18 EDT 2000
Ms:
You got to get one thing, cinema songs are not carnatic songs, any light composer will step out little bit, Secondly the composers does not say the raga, IMHO: If you start taking notes of each light song, it leads no where.
Few Best examples of thilang:
1. Indro poi nalai varai - samboorna ramayanam i think.
2. Nala thor veenai seithen - in varumai neram sivapu.
3. Mandhil urthi vendum in sindu bhairavi
"Unai ondru kettan" is in thilang. but steps out for the sake of light music. There are many msv numbers in Thilang.
- From: srikanth (@ )
on: Fri Aug 18 14:30:30 EDT 2000
rajesh:
narumugaye narumugaye ,
I think it is in gambeera natai.Its been long since i heard that song.
- From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:33:04 EDT 2000
MS: "innum.." of S. velan is in Gambheera Nattai.
- From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:35:32 EDT 2000
'Manam virumbudhae" is in Kedaaram.
"narumugaiyae " in the end has a bit of Neelaambari.
- From: Deepa (@ 165.91.179.85)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:44:07 EDT 2000
I am new to this forum, I am addressing the discussion on Thilang, I am not sure about the usual notations used here,
I think Thilang has aaro avaro -
S G3 M1 P N2 S
S N2 P M1 G3 S
where G3 refers to anthara gandharam as in Mohanam, N2 refers to Kaisiki Nishadam as in Hindolam.
With N3 as mentined, I think it becomes Gambheeranaattai. I guess Innum Ennai enna seyya pogirai is closer to Gambheeranaattai,
esp in its prayogams like S G M P G M P N.. S
in the last line of the Pallavi, I cant get the words....
Jog is traditionally
S G3 M1 P N2 S
S N2 P M1 G2 S
it has anthara gaandharam in the ascent and saadaarna gandharam in the descent.
But its become very prevalent to sing it as
S N2 P M1 G3... G2... S
With two consecutive G's to add beauty.
- From: MS (Murali Sankar) (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:47:01 EDT 2000
Deepa:
Welcome to DF :-)
- From: Vidhya (@ 204.164.111.130)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:50:52 EDT 2000
Deepa: I guess Thilang has a N3(kaakali nishaadham) in aarohaNam.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:51:05 EDT 2000
Narumugaye is a combo of gambeera Naattai and maand
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:54:00 EDT 2000
Vidhya - you are right - Thilang does have N3 in the ascent
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 14:59:22 EDT 2000
I just listened to innum ennai enna seyya pogiraai - does sound very much thilangish :) to me ::))
- From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137)
on: Fri Aug 18 15:02:14 EDT 2000
MS.. refer my earlier response.. I was clearly referring to the song "Engirindo.."as being sung by SPB for a film, pretty recent starring Sathyaraj..Does that ring a bell?
- From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137)
on: Fri Aug 18 15:06:01 EDT 2000
Wow..look at that postings for tilang..!!And i agree with IR.Innum ennai is thilangish...
- From: Raghu (@ 194.170.164.234)
on: Fri Aug 18 15:52:15 EDT 2000
Is "karuppudhan Enakku Pudicha Kalaru" from
Vetrikkodi Kattu in Kapi?Experts please confirm.
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 16:06:44 EDT 2000
Vidhya :
Thanks for confirming the kedaram in "Manam virumbthe". but, doesn't the pallavi sound like Gambeeranattai ?
also, someone please tell me about the "Pachai Killigal" from Indian ? yesterday, i was playing the song, i see some traces of Ananda bhairavi.
i am very much interested to know some songs in Ananda bhairavi...
- From: Deepa (@ 165.91.179.85)
on: Fri Aug 18 19:04:33 EDT 2000
Thanx Vidya for clearing an unrecognized misconception that I had, u r right, Thilang has N3 in the ascent.
About manam virumbude, isnt it closer to Nalinakanthi esp where u can hear S G3 R2 M1,
like it would decode to swaras as
M M M G S G... R M... for
manam virumbude unnai....
and kind of revealed in the humming I think it is En kaadalaa.... Harini sings it :-)
It could a mix of Kedaram, Gambheranattai and NaLinakanthi...
Pacchai kiligal.. I felt was closer to Aabheri or Dhanashri... it just doesnt have the Dha...
may be treated as Suddha Dhanyasi with a R2
Aananda Bhairavi... carnatic pieces O Jagadamba, Marivera gathi, Ksheerasagaravihaara....
film songs... Konja naal poru thalaiva.. in aasai.. many more but unfortunately I only know the tunes :-))
- From: Rajesh (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Fri Aug 18 19:12:51 EDT 2000
Deepa
In "Pachai killigal", how about the line
"chinna chinna kootukulla sorgam ERUku"
( ....................... p p d1 m1 p ) ?
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137)
on: Fri Aug 18 22:32:21 EDT 2000
ravi68: 'engiruntho vanthaan' is a beautiful song composed by the one & only MSV-TKR in their comeback movie. I think it's in sumaneesa ranjani: S G2 M2 P N2 (prathi madhyama counterpart of suddha dhanyasi).
- From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137)
on: Sat Aug 19 13:01:32 EDT 2000
1.Thanks RR..for engirindo vandaan.. The film is also "engirindo vandaan". That was what i thought..like we still havent resolved "Orunal iravu...".Hear that too ..its also MSV...he has added up suddha madhyamam in it..MS will pounce on us saying its not Sumanesaranjani...:-)
2. Can u clarify on "Yamuna Nadiyingae" please? Nagaswaravali(?)
- From: ravi68 (@ 12.28.151.137)
on: Sat Aug 19 13:04:52 EDT 2000
On AnandhaBhairavi..U have the raagmalika piece by TMS..."Karpagavalli nin porpadangal...".Its close cousin Reethigowlai seems to be preferred by the MD's rather than Anandhabairavi.
- From: CHANDRASEKARAN (@ 203.197.131.196)
on: Sat Aug 19 14:13:45 EDT 2000
"Narumugaiye Narumugaiye" from Iruvar; Is it a combo of Gambeeranattai & Maand or Neelambari.Pl. someone confirm it. There is solo by female voice in 'Gopura Vasalile' by IR.Nice song.Can somebody throw light on it's Raga. And also on another female voice solo from 'Shathriyan' with IR's music.
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.137)
on: Sat Aug 19 22:05:08 EDT 2000
ravi68: :-) MS paadiye swaram kandupidippaar, but endha paattu endru thaan avarukku konjam doubt ;)
I shd try to play 'oru naal iravu' and 'yamuna nadhiyenge' on keyboard. Will get back to you then. What do you think about 'andhamaanai paarungal azhagu'?
I too have 'karpaga valli'. I like the ranjani part in that. i don't think there are too many Ritigowlai's than ananda bairavi. ARR these days is obsessed with AB.
Chandrasekaran: 'maalayil yaaro' (chatriyan) is in suddha dhanyasi.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185)
on: Sat Aug 19 23:10:57 EDT 2000
yeppa.saamingaLAa..ennai kavukkarathunnu kaNgaNma kattikkittu irukkeengaLaa ? :-)
- From: Cheenu (@ 63.253.16.25)
on: Sun Aug 20 01:15:34 EDT 2000
ravi68, I browsed the ref book I have on meLa Kartha raagas and their janyams but alas! could not find a match for 'Oru naaL iravu..'. The point is that there is a M2 and N3 as well and they are figure prominently in the melody.
- From: prabhu (@ 202.9.178.6)
on: Sun Aug 20 09:13:41 EDT 2000
Prabhu,
" Nan thedum sevvandhi poovidhu " a lovely song sung by IR. Can anyone tell me the chord with Notes used for the lines 'Poovom ini kaadhal desam'.
By the by,what is the raaga used? Is it MOHANAM
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