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'IR says NO to songs put on the net'

Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192-39-7147.unisys.com) on Mon May 15 09:03:40 EDT 2000.
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Please refer to the latest message from IR in his official website www.raaja.com. He has requested the fans not to upload the songs on the net. He is asking to buy the original CD's/Tapes. I feel that he is right. I would like to see other's reaction to this IR's statement. Please proceed.

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• From: Ravi (@ tide74.microsoft.com) on: Thu May 18 03:26:27 EDT 2000
  
  bb
  
  didn't go through all the posts prior to this, so pardon if I am off track..
  
  though practically net serves the parallel of radio, the very basic difference I see is that the artists/recording label gets money from the radio station. Stations have to pay the royalty. On the net, that is not the case.. at least not yet in TFM.. ( I came across Thendral.com which I HOPE is legally doing the broadcast).
  
  The Radio stations that broadcast via broadcast.com all have copyrights for the song, hence is legal and acceptable.
  
  in my opinion anything that is a continuous broadcast can be exempted (you cannot get it when you want to and there are ads that you cannot remove and the advertises pay money to the station for the ads which reaches the artist).. anything on demand (which is what majority TFM Content on the net is) should be a no-no unless it is for personal use..
  
  my 2 cents.
  
  
• From: RameshVenkatraman (@ bay-72.pppmad.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 18 05:31:31 EDT 2000
  
  Guys,
  
  This whole thread starting with "IR says no" proclamation looks like a farce to me.
  
  It is obvious IR is not in touch with reality. More over, I am not sure whether he remembers the fact that for the past many years, particularly since the arrival of Deva, ARR and other on the TFM scene, he is no longer the copyright owner of the songs. It rests with the producers. In fact he took a long time to accept this reality. And but for that he would have still done many more projects than what he did.
  
  You see, after Deva's arrival who did not charge any thing from the royalty angle, the music became a revenue earner instead being just a cost centre in a project. And irrespective of your opinion about Deva's music, producers were and are able to make money from the sale of audio rights after paying for Deva's fee, musicians fees, recording expenes... Of course, IR was the first in TFM to have started this practice. And that too only after some years after Annakkili. And he had a prestige issue in not giving it up. By the time he was ready for that, every producer/director has hooked on to some other MD and there was no great motivation for them come back to IR. He resisted very much. But producers were willing to pay more as his fees than giving up the audio rights. And for the past few years he takes just his fees and the audio rights are no longer his. Same is the case with ARR. He is paid a fat sum because the producer is able to get at least twice that amount from the audio rights.
  
  In this scenario, IR talking like this and the great Raajangham site, "the only official site of IR in this planet" exhibiting a chit from IR on this...and writing a mild threatening letter to all the die hard IR fans around the world who are maintaining sites on IR without expecting or getting any thing in return....least of all some appreciation. is highly deplorable and ridiculous. Because these selfless fans of IR are the ones who are doing the major task of popularising IR thru the net. But these guys in Raajangham behave as if IR is in their pocket and they touch base with him every hour or so kind of behaviour....the whole thing is very fishy.
  Do you really believe this, whether you are an IR fan or not, that a man like IR with his background, achievements and track record that includes a major western classical recording with such a world famous orchestra like the RPO, is allowing some jokers to tom tom the whole world that "I want a good lyric writer to write in English for my forthcoming global music album....bla bla...". You can not insult the great man any better. Do you believe that he does not have anyone except this site and its so called "Core" members....to find this for him...and who are doing every thing short of putting up a handout in Broadway or Hollywood. Comon, give us a break.
  
  And for all the talk of being IR's official cyber site, why there is a conspicous silence on his great leap forward...I mean the much talked about, much expected work with the RPO. It is just pushed under the carpet, man. And it stinks.
  
  Some thoughts, my few cents worth.
  
  Ramesh V
  
  
  
• From: Subbiah (@ 192.39.227.151) on: Thu May 18 07:22:51 EDT 2000
  
  Krishna / others
  
  Pls tell me where is the original 'India 24 Hours' album CD/cassette available in Chennai / UK ?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Thu May 18 10:15:14 EDT 2000
  
  There is one simple thing IR can do to take
  advantage of net-downloads.
  And Raajangham can help him.
  
  Convert all great hits to high quality MP3
  and put them for sale at 25 cents per song
  download. I am sure Raja fans who are now
  downloading Real Audio will jump at the opportunity. And they might even stay away
  from sharing the Mp3 files further, out of
  respect.
  
  
  Look at a digital music portal like emusic.com
  (you can buy individual tracks for a dollar).
  
  The potential is amazing.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu May 18 11:38:23 EDT 2000
  
  India 24 Hours CANNOT be bought in India. Nobody except IR has even heard of this album.
  
  It was available in US for a short time (about a week) before it disappeared from the shelves.
  
  If you need India 24 Hours you can email IR and wait an eternity (it will be re-released the next day after he releases the SymPhony) or you can copy from someone who has the album...
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 18 11:53:43 EDT 2000
  
  I have it on CD. I am sure many of the webmasters of IR's songs have it too.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu May 18 11:58:15 EDT 2000
  
  MS :
  I have it on CD too. I was lucky to see it when it first came out. If you want to buy India 24 Hours NOW, there is no way you can get it.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Thu May 18 12:37:23 EDT 2000
  
  bb,
  You can go ahead and add, no net reviews of IR, ARR Cds as that may hurt their revenues too. This is ridiculous, guys. I'm amazed at the number of posts siding with the exploiting, profit minded record companies. Hey, we don't live in a supply-side economy like India where suppliers decide what is bought. I demand better value for my buck. Only now we're seeing two for ones in CD combos (Taj Mahal/Jodi, KKKK/Alaipayuthae). Why couldn't IR put out TIME/HeyRam ? I would've bought it. Instead I bought TIME along with a Deva soundtrack which I don't care for.
  
  Also, TOWER records, Wherehouse, let you return CDs in good condition with a receipt within 30 days of purchase if you aren't satisfied with the quality of your purchase. Do you think any Indian record company would do that? Fat chance.
  
  Of course, if you choose to manipulate the situation by recording everything you buy only to return, they probably have your name down and can black list you. But the point is, we as consumers deserve better and should demand it, instead of letting misplaced devotion guide our actions. Unless audio companies change their strategy and package their products with more attractive offers for consumers, there's no reason to succumb to their exploitation.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Thu May 18 12:39:36 EDT 2000
  
  MS/pg: In light of the discussion in this thread, can you upload it to the net please?:-))))
  
  There are somepeople in this forum who believe that they are 'greater fans' of Ilayaraja than others merely because they have not EVER criticized or condemned him - Grave misconception.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 18 12:47:39 EDT 2000
  
  we as consumers deserve better and should demand it
  
  that is it.
  
  
• From: humble (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Thu May 18 13:11:50 EDT 2000
  
  I second Ramesh Venkataraman's views on this.
  Why isn't ARR saying no to net songs?
  Why isn't Deva saying no to net songs?
  why isn't SAR saying no to net songs?
  
  Yennappa summa IR'ai eppadi ezhukareenga? He will be more happy to see his music reach millions which all these sites does.
  
  Some of the songs which I heard from these sites --where really unknown to me.I am glad that these webmasters provided such an opportunity.I thank them.
  
  People who are against net songs can better work as PRO for audio companies and promote their sales.
  
  is someone is not prepared to buy a CD, they are never going to buy it.
  As bb said then the whole concept of Vivid Bharathi, Radio's etc will be ridiculous.
  
  Net songs, radio are for spreading the music.
  
  If someone is really interested in buying the music, then the they will go in for the purchase of the CD and have it at their home.
  
  You can be against high quality mp3 songs but not against the poor real audio files.If someone is really staisfied with such files, then NO WAY you can make them to buy a CD.
  
  IMHO, i don't know how so many people are eager to promote sales for audio companies. :-)especially the members of Rajangahm (who also does have hundreds of songs in their sites).
  
  Preachers should follow the principles first!
  
  IR ethuvum sollavillai ethai pathi--theivu seithu don't spread the wrong notions among the public and DISGRACE this man.
  
  If my posting has hurted anyone--apologize.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ grieg.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Thu May 18 13:22:38 EDT 2000
  
  and, people like shibu/GS who are shutting down their sites, please reconsider ur decision. u have been misinformed, or, u don't have the big picture.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 18 13:42:03 EDT 2000
  
  Preachers should follow the principles first!
  
  they have already closed some. (refer bb's post)
  
  
• From: SL (@ 198.17.203.239) on: Thu May 18 14:25:08 EDT 2000
  
  RajaG, yethukku antha comment adichcheenga ? Summa vambukku thaane ?:)))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu May 18 14:45:41 EDT 2000
  
  SL:-))) God! You know me too damn well! I really need to practice my camouflaging more!:-))
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Thu May 18 14:51:44 EDT 2000
  
  SL,
  Is your post to benefit the irony-impaired?
  
  
• From: RaajaFan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Thu May 18 14:59:40 EDT 2000
  
  First of all, I feel the thread's title 'IR says NO to songs put on the net' is not right. Please refer to what Raaja has conveyed to his fans in this letter. You can find it here. http://www.raaja.com/message2.html. He is no way referring to songs played to the Net. He is talking about audio piracy in general and is requesting his fans to curb it. Also, I could understand that some are of the impression that "IR is not net savvy". I think this is the reason why they are not able to believe that on the Internet, IR is requesting some information from the fans regarding an American lyricist he needs. IMHO, IR has been the FIRST and be the fore-runner in many technological happenings in the tamil music industry and I don't see why he should not be Net Savvy. When ARR can chat on the Internet with his fans and release the news about his latest projects, he is termed a hi-tech guy, but when IR does the same thing, it is termed that the "fans are trying to insult a dignified man". We all know that IR has a huge fan base that is dying to do anything to spread his music. Then what in the world is stopping someone in this forum to believe that it is happening. Hah, what a world.! "Vaazhnthaalum esum thaahnthaalum esum, vaaiyagam idhudhaanada!
  
  It is very disheartening to see RameshV's opinion. RaajaNGAHM is an effort by a group of his true IR fans to popularize his music in the West. But I could see harsh remarks from some people in this forum who are trying to give a very bad impression this group of HCIR fans. I feel that it is a sincere effort taken by a group of true IR fans who have established a good contact with him and have made his official website possible. This has been or is the dream of many a IR fan who wants to spread his music around the globe. I don't see any commercialization in this regard. Just as this TFM page helps many people around the world, to get to know about TFM better, so is RaajANGAHM trying to bring fans closer to IR. What is wrong in that?
  
  There are more than a dozen sites in the web which are playing songs on the NET for free and they are being praised for their self-less service to IR for popularizing his music. But obviously when a group of similar fans have contacted him, got his permission to create an official website and have been acting under his dicta and is releasing information from him, I don't see why some people in this forum are unable to digest this.
  
  

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