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'IR says NO to songs put on the net'

Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192-39-7147.unisys.com) on Mon May 15 09:03:40 EDT 2000.
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Please refer to the latest message from IR in his official website www.raaja.com. He has requested the fans not to upload the songs on the net. He is asking to buy the original CD's/Tapes. I feel that he is right. I would like to see other's reaction to this IR's statement. Please proceed.

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• From: Nalla_idhai_paarunga (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Wed May 17 16:22:52 EDT 2000
  
  I repeat.
  
  "OC" la paattu kekkaradhukku namma thamizh makkalukku enna puLikkavaa seyyum?
  
  Oru dhadavai namma aaLungalukku sonna puriyadhu pOlirukku :-)
  
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Wed May 17 16:45:38 EDT 2000
  
  To whom it may concern:
  
  I pay money to buy and listen to Back Street Boys, Madonna, etc. etc. Why should I pay any money to listen to a COPY of this song when the guy who copied it does not pay any money to the guy who created the original? I am not talking about any MD in particular, but to the state of affairs in TFM in general. Paraphrasing Nayagan "avaaLaa niruththa sollu, naa yOsikkarEn"!
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Wed May 17 18:03:26 EDT 2000
  
  nyaayam_therindhavan alias nalla_parunga,
  Care to come out and justify your insult from hiding? The rest of us adults are having a discussion, stop interrupting it with your heckling. Please weigh in your opinions soon as you become an adult.
  
  By the way, the grand generalization "namma Thamizh makkalukku" burns me, watch it.
  
  
• From: kai-thuru-thuru-ngudhu. (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Wed May 17 18:04:35 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  
  appa kooda yOsikka thAn cheiveengalA?? nirutha mAtteengalA?? :-)
  
  
• From: RaajaFan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Wed May 17 18:21:53 EDT 2000
  
  RajaG, Udhaya and others:
  
  RajaG, neenga enna solla vareenga endru nandraaaga puriyudhu. "You are saying when recording companies are swindling the composers without paying them royalty, why shouldn't we do it to them in turn". Romba nalla irukku. I think we should all recollect the famous proverb "Charity begins at home". Athu enna, CD/cassette vaangi ketpadhu avavalu kashtama? I have hundreds of collections of IR's songs old and new and even now I am able to buy some rare collections of IR. Even I have CDs which have combos with other MDs. You don't have to listen to other albums from the combo if you do not want to. Just listen to IR's music alone. Is that a problem? So, you want to save your money by not buying a CD because it has a combo, blah blah. But a composer should sit and watch his 3000 songs being played for free on the Net which has taken his years of hard-work to bring out. Also, it is the fact that it does not allow his investors to finance his new works to promote that in the Western market. When so many Indians in the US are making money and talking big in this forum just for "american dollars", why shouldn't a genius composer like IR try to attain fame in this country and worldwide? Everyone knows that US is the country where you can truly bring out the best of the ability, thank God, most of the Indians migrating to this country are software professionals. Adhu enna avar oru podhu soththaa avarai vaaikku vandhapadi pesuvadhu...
  
  When people who have the time to talk sarcastically about a great genius like IR, they can also give a minute to understand that what is really happening in net-audio is "mass plagiarism" .
  
  When "yet another music composers" are making money in the US by composing junk music, why can't a genius composer like IR invest in the US market? In that context, he has requested his fans who are the target audience to stop listening to pirated music. Does it not strike to the indians living in the US who are writing in the forum and listening to the free music(and who are supposed to be learned too) that he is trying to promote his future works in the US? What is wrong in his request?
  
  Any lay man who is living in the US will understand that the best way to promote a product is THE NET! But, THE NET is there to PROMOTE by offering samples to the customers,and not to give it for FREE to everyone. Let us assume that someone gave a product for free, do you think that anyone else will pay money to buy that? When more than 2000 songs of IR are available in the NET for free, do you think anyone will care to buy his new works? Obviously, they will expect some person to play it for FREE.
  
  Bharathi's words are so true, people who are writing supporting "free net-audio" are "vaai sollil veerargal". They are all basking in the music of the great composer who has struggled a lot to make it possible. If they enjoy listening to that wonderful music, why can't they let him prosper? Why should a genius composer like IR stop promoting music in the West when he has lots and lots to give to this world? Why should he be should taunted by some "nobodys" here in this forum for his honest request?
  
  Sincerely speaking, if there is a true fan of IR in this forum who is really interested in listening to more and more of IR's music, he would definitely not participate in this "COPY" business. Atleast if he/she is interested in promoting IR's music should buy CDs/cassettes and enjoy the songs and make his future works marketable in the US and other countries.
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Wed May 17 18:56:55 EDT 2000
  
  "When more than 2000 songs of IR are available in the NET for free, do you think anyone will care to buy his new works? "
  
  RaajaFan, you have repeated the same thing with different words, so I'll just take the core issue between your opinions and mine and address it.
  
  The majority of IR songs available on the web are his older numbers. If the "new works" that you refer to are a re-release of his older songs, then,
  
  1. Piracy is depriving him of a loss in his profits (which is still wrong, but is not the equivalent of 'vayathula adikaradhu')
  
  2. He has nothing to worry if the quality and compilation are good.
  
  Do you think I like torturing myself with a noise-ridden version of EVK songs (inspite of Rex's wonderful restoration) when I can have the crystal clear original ? Do you think I love the fact that I can listen to EVK ONLY through poor computer speakers when I could play it on my $350 stereo system ? If IR's "new works" are the re-releasing of his older works in good quality audio, he might still experience a loss in profit, but that would only be marginal. Most of us who could afford it *would* buy these "new works"
  
  On the other hand, if you are talking about the newer TFM albums of IR, we listen to the RA versions a few times and 9 times out of 10 decide not to buy it. At that point, it ceases to matter if IR is trying to promote his music in the US or not. We are not buying anyway.
  
  A FINAL WORD:
  
  You are expressing PITY for IR. You are throwing him ALMS by buying his inferior products. Of late, I try not to quantify my admiration for IR, but I know for certain that it never falls down to that level !
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.130) on: Wed May 17 20:04:09 EDT 2000
  
  Raajafan,
  Expecting customers to ignore the not necessarily good songs of other MDs in a CD combo and expecting them to buy a CD just for the 3 or 4 songs of IR of which just one is listenable is, IMO, a little bit too much!!!
  
  Iam a fan of IR. But I would never buyn an album or CD of IR even if I dont like a single song on that CD. I dont want 200 or 200 CDs. I just want 10 CDs in my collection but each one should be listenable at least 200 times. So what do u do in this case? Let all those recording companies come out with selections worth buying and then I'll see what I can do about it. Until then I'll definitely continue recording CDs in shops. And Ima not getting them for free like getting songs from the net, but I pay to get them. I break my head to come out witha sequence I like and for the money I give I get immense satisfaction.
  
  If the recording companies themselves start providing customised CDs from original tracks Iam willing to buy them provided they are not too much overpriced. Until then buying original CDs is a waste of money. By buying such CDs we are only encouraging the MD to come out with more inferior products.
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Wed May 17 20:09:22 EDT 2000
  
  Another point missing from this hyperbolic angle of piracy and hurting sales, blah blah blah...is that the good ones will help their sales (yes, majority of net listeners can't carry a computer on the street to listen to music or cuddle up in bed with a processor, so they will go buy a good CD when they hear it) and the bad ones die a deserved death.
  
  The net is basically serving the purpose of the radio for me in the U.S. There maybe a few miscreants who could spend their time with expensive equipment and making pirated CDs from the net, but if rules were made with the lowly ones in mind then it's the death of civilization as we know it.
  
  
• From: A (@ dyn2-254.kla-tencor.com) on: Wed May 17 20:26:24 EDT 2000
  
  What IR/Rajangahm is requesting is reduce the length of songs played on the net. I do not think it is unreasonable. One minute samples should be good enough to decide whether one wants to buy an album or not. Rare albums like EVK and BGM do not come under this category. The percentage of
  rare songs/bgm in all the sites is very less. Most of the songs - older or not- are very much available in the market.
  
  The few miscreants are not really few. CDs pirated
  from the net and by other means are sold in major cities such as Houston for very low prices.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.130) on: Wed May 17 21:12:08 EDT 2000
  
  Pl. read the foll article in hindu
  
  http://www.hinduonline.com/today/stories/08180006.htm
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 170.philadelphia-01-02rs.pa.dial-access.att.net) on: Thu May 18 00:55:54 EDT 2000
  
  What IR has said is for is for true IR fans. So let the likes of RaajaFan, Athi, me and others - let us keep buying the new works of IR. Let the others post it on the net, sample them and buy it...there is no way to stop it.
  
  I for one still feel that IR's songs today are just great and refreshing. i think most of the songs in his movies are great. It may not follow the current formula --but they are brilliantly composed, versatile, bold and great. I am planning to start a thread of some of the unrecognized gems of IR in the '90s. (i hope i can find the time soon...) And once again for the IR fans, it will show how the statement that the quality of IR's music is declining is just a myth in my opinion. This morning as I was driving to work, I was listening to songs from some of his 1995 movies. They were just brilliant and unbeilevable...songs from...chandralekha, rajavin parvaiyile, Ilaya nila, pudupatti ponnuthayee. I will list some of these songs later in a thread.. they are just mind blowing in both composition and orchestration.
  
  Even in his recent movies like "Kanna unnai Theduigren", "Karisakattu Poove", Thirunelveli, Hey Ram, Kannukul Nilavu, Time, Kaakai Chiraginile, Nilave Mugam Kattu, Gummi Pattu, Desiya Geetham etc. most of the songs are brilliant. In my opinion, I think atleast 80% of the songs are great in these movies. The thing that impresses me the most is the versatality of his music even in these albums. just the variety between Time, Kannukul Nilavu, Nilave Mugam Kattu on one hand and Karisakattu Poove and Gummi Pattu on the other. In todys world, may be doing the karisakattu poove types are no the in thing but songs like "ethanai manikku" from karisakkattu poove and "kuchikkula" from Gummi Pattu, 'kattazhagi potttazhagi' from Thirunelveli are just unbelievable.
  
  I am sure there are many who many not like IR and his music. Because individual tastes differ. For example, I have never been impressed by ARR's music - but then its is just my opinion. The only reason I am writing this is I do not want people to generalize a comment that the quality of IR's music recently is not good having not listened to all of IR's new music albums but just based on the lack of popularity or low sales of these albums. Because, I feel that it is just an unfair evaluation of the quality of his music - the consumer buying behavior and consumer perceptions are more complex and are not always refelctive of quality. I have my own hypothesis on the same. But what I am writing is to register my opinions contrary to the notion that the quality of IR's recent music is on the decline. This seems to be a theme which is repeated despite the merits of the individual albums. (IMO). IMO, IR's new albums are still fascinating. I just can't wait to gethis new albums. Even this morning, when I read he had signed his next movie "sangeetha sandhadigal", I was already impatient in awaiting for the relase of the album.
  
  I am not writing this to quarell, insult, question or bash the opinions of those who have said they find the quality of IR's music is on the decline. Just like my opinion to the contrary, they have their opinions. It is just an attempt to provide an opinion from the consumer segment like mine who find IR's music to brilliant and superior even today and to spread awareness of that work to those who have not heard some of these albums before.
  
  Just to add to the list of albums listed above in the '90s of IR with great music - devar magan, chinna gownder, athma, uzhaippali, veera, valli, ejaman, mahanathi, rajakumaran, priyanka, nandavana theru, ellame en raasthan, pattu vadhyar, pattu paada vaa, avatharam, siraichalai, periya marudhu, oru veetile oru raajakumari, Kolangal, punniyavathi, kattumarakaran, karumvelam poovu, moga mul, annan, poonthottam, dharma, kadhalukku mariyadhai, kadhal Kavidhai, rettai roja, raman abdullah, poonjolai, manam virumbuthe unnai, sendhooram, kizhakum merkum, poomani etc. just to add to the top of these, movies like yathra mozhi, Guru, Andhapuram, Kaliyoonjal, friends, Nammora hanthara poove...movies with just one or two outstanding songs like Poovarasan, aan azhagan, kannathal, Bharani, Thambi Durai etc. and on top of all these....India 24 Hours... I will take my Raja anytime.
  
  For the IR fans, who have not listened to some of these albums, I am planning to start a thread soon just highlighting some of the brilliant songs of IR in the '90s albums so you can enjoy the pleasure.
  
  I apologize for the rambling here but wanted to register my opinion here that while IR's commercial success may be declining the quality of his music is still brilliant. For the true IR fans who want to experience his brilliance, please get these albums if you haven't listened to them yet. For his detractors, discount this as just yet another rambling of an HCIRF.
  
  
• From: bb (@ rochester-57.slip.uiuc.edu) on: Thu May 18 02:31:15 EDT 2000
  
  krishna, rajafan, why make this an issue of IR? putting songs on the net is not based on MD, and u needn't defend IR.
  
  i agree with udhaya in that putting songs on the net is just like radio. songs are played in radio all the time. we are listening to them for free. will the "nyaayam therindhavargaL"(!) here say that they don't listen to radio, or see the songs in oLiyum oliyum or other programmes? instead of listening on my radio, i listen on the net. that's all.
  also, if i need to own the songs (download the realaudio files, burn CDs etc), they are of comparable effort as, say, taping from radio. i have recorded many songs from radio (the FM station in madras) long time ago. it is the same thing. so, why damn this and accept that?
  if songs shouldn't be put on the net, they shouldn't be played on the radio, they shouldn't be shown on TV.
  we also have people who rent videos and make copies. we have people who record whole movies or the songs coming in TV. atleast when i was in india, whenever a new movie was released, the FM stations played the songs umpteen number of times a day. that is more dangerous than net proliferation.
  my suspicion is that IR doesn't know a thing about the realities of songs on the net, and he has been advised by people with some vested interest and the issue has been blown way out of proportion. since aruL is not willing to "divulge the details", i can't say more.
  
  

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