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'IR says NO to songs put on the net'

Topic started by Subbiah (@ 192-39-7147.unisys.com) on Mon May 15 09:03:40 EDT 2000.
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Please refer to the latest message from IR in his official website www.raaja.com. He has requested the fans not to upload the songs on the net. He is asking to buy the original CD's/Tapes. I feel that he is right. I would like to see other's reaction to this IR's statement. Please proceed.

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue May 16 18:53:45 EDT 2000
  
  I definitely support the viewpoint that song samples alone are enough and u dont need whole songs on the net for advertisements, if that amounts to piracy. Also I think the pluses cancel out withe minuses.
  
  Case 1: (samples available on the net)
  
  I, for one consider every deva album to be mediocre by default unless Iam convinced otherwise after listening to the samples. In that case if i indeed decide to buy its a win situation for the company and deva.
  
  On the other hand there are people who blindly buy a Manirathnam album (without getting a chance to preview it) just going by their conviction that it would be good, only to be disappointed later. For those guys, Internet can be a deciding factor against buying - a lose situation for the company. I myself have benefitted from this kind of situation.
  
  Case 2: (samples not available )
  
  the first situation in the previous case becomes a losing one for the company and vice versa.
  
  
  So having samples wont hurt, but having fully encoded high quality samples might hurt. But even in this case it affects the sals in countries like US and does not even create a dent in sales in India, where song listening thru internet is not yet common.
  
  I still believe in what I said as a possible situation reg. promoting sales of songs in the US.
  Have all possible songs on the net. make it password protected and whoever wants to download a song have to pay a certain amt thru credit card or otherwise. the sites can be run by the companies themselves. sites like tamilmp3.com have started making money by recording mp3 CDs.
  
  So I guess companies like oriental records, pyramid etc. can start their own sites hosting all songs that are copyrighted by them. There would be some practical probs like site security and all that, but I think it might not be a bad start. I can download 15 different songs and make my own CD. something like a song database.
  
  The companies can also take legal action aginst those sites that upload mp3s of copyrighted songs.
  Most of the site owners are US-based so I think they coould be prosecuted here, but Iam not sure.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.56.255.243) on: Wed May 17 11:10:53 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya and Srinath
  I guessed pretty right that countering your posts would invite instant sarcasm of a very refined standard:) Keep playing...
  
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Wed May 17 13:37:14 EDT 2000
  
  udhaya and srinath,
  
  you are part of a very very very small community. people, especially tfm listeners, in general, are satisfied with just the outlines of a song and don't go ask for quality. realaudio netsongs have affected business opportunities. as a member of RaajaNGAHM, i am not in a position to reveal the details but i can say this: songs on the net are affecting business interests. (i expect you to ask me to advice the concerned parties on the positive aspects of net audio, but hey, been there, done that :-)) take it easy :-)) )
  
  for people who are not much worried about sound quality, converting a high quality realaudio file in to a decent quality wav file and burning them on to a cd is no big deal. there are people who do this as a routine. quite a few have confessed to me personally that they have made a LARGE of cds of IR's songs this way (and i have a doubt that one of these persons is making money too!).
  
  important
  if you all have any practical positive suggestion on this issue, please email them to me IMMEDIATELY. i will be meeting ir next week and i can discuss this issue with them. also, if you have any general question, concern, complement, ... you can pass it on to me. i will get his answers, opinions ... . my email address is rajan@psiphi.umsl.edu. i will not check my email after saturday afternoon.
  
  udhaya
  
  please give me a call this afternoon. very urgent!
  
  
• From: humble (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Wed May 17 14:05:32 EDT 2000
  
  ironically, members of raajangahm has more net IR songs in their private sites :-)
  
  
• From: bb (@ rochester-51.slip.uiuc.edu) on: Wed May 17 14:23:22 EDT 2000
  
  aruL, appadiyE symphony varumaa-nnum kELunga. may be IR can get off this hopeless position by simply putting it up for free on the net. it might be a good way to trigger traffic to raajangahm too. (just like bands here release songs exclusively for the net). if IR doesn't care about the monetary part of it, he can do this. this is practical.
  regarding net songs affecting business, unless you give us the details, it is pretty much unbelievable. i don't think this is something that needs to be too secretive about.
  
  
• From: bb (@ rochester-51.slip.uiuc.edu) on: Wed May 17 14:26:36 EDT 2000
  
  also, the only alternative is to make *all* IR songs available in cassettes/CD forms. rex's site became popular plainly because the songs he was putting up were not available in a original cassette/CD. it is ridiculous for IR to ask people to do something when he doesn't ensure that his songs are always available to those who need them.
  
  
• From: bb (@ rochester-51.slip.uiuc.edu) on: Wed May 17 14:39:31 EDT 2000
  
  and IR's message says nothing about the net. so, is this just a matter of re-interpreting what IR said, for a few vested interests?
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 205.252.37.3) on: Wed May 17 14:45:59 EDT 2000
  
  "for people who are not much worried about sound quality, converting a high quality realaudio file in to a decent quality wav file and burning them on to a cd is no big deal. there are people who do this as a routine. quite a few have confessed to me personally that they have made a LARGE of cds of IR's songs this way (and i have a doubt that one of these persons is making money too!). "
  
  Arul:
  If IR or the Music Companies were half as enterprising as these people that you talk about, the question of net-piracy wouldn't arise (well, it probably would still come up, but merely as a footnote !). These guys are doing what these multi-million rupee establishments with all their equipment, original tracks and professional engineers ought to be doing. Want to hear something shocking ? I would rather pay these guys to make me CDs than buy a crappy one (like ESK + Ganesh or Time + someunidentifiedcrap) legally - that I DON'T is another matter. Their only claim to authenticity is a piece of paper signed by two people whose initial interests obviously did not account for the Net genie. I think of this as an issue that has the potential to force the Music Companies to straighten up their act.
  
  Ignorance is bliss. Your secret probably tortures your soul :-) but it doesn't shake my faith in 'Music on the Net' one bit !
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Wed May 17 14:51:31 EDT 2000
  
  people, especially tfm listeners, in general, are satisfied with just the outlines of a song and don't go ask for quality.
  
  I dont agree with this statement, esp if its about those who listen to songs on net the majority of whom are NRIs.
  
  i am not in a position to reveal the details but i can say this: songs on the net are affecting business interests.
  
  Then, why talk about it at all? Its wiser not to quote something at all rather than say something arbitary about it.
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: bb (@ rochester-51.slip.uiuc.edu) on: Wed May 17 14:59:24 EDT 2000
  
  Digression
  aruL, some of the things that u might ask IR:
  1. release details on why symphony is not available. if there is a dispute, tell us about it. if there are 2 warring companies, tell us about it. may be someone might be able to do something. if what he composed is not a symphony, but a sym'phony', tell us about it. we have the right to know.
  2. ask him not to throw the singing of bhavadharini on us.
  3. IR is in a position where he needn't work for money anymore. so, he can come up with more imaginative stuff rather than work on B-grade films and ambitious western-classicallle-vetti-murichchu-americans-attention-grabbing programs.
  
  
• From: Nyayam_therindhavan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Wed May 17 14:59:35 EDT 2000
  
  "adutha veetu neyye en pondatti keyye" endra proverb evvaluvu correct endru puriyudhu. "OC" la paattu kekkaradhukku namma thamizh makkalukku enna puLikkavaa seyyum. Nalla ellarum indha net-audio proliferationukku "jaalra" podunga!!.
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.62) on: Wed May 17 15:22:15 EDT 2000
  
  aruLaracan
  
  many of us who have been uploading songs on the net have done that because we though it is a medium of exchange of interests where we can share our thoughts and feeling with respect to listening the songs. Most of us have uploaded the songs on sites which provide web spaces for us and the only return we get by doing so are when some compassionate forumers who share their feeling after listening. Moreover our(includes webmasters and all other forumers) quest for pleasure in enjoying the music doesnot end there since the best can ONLY be achieved when we buy the cassette/album. So, i am still not convinced that net-listening of songs would discourage people from buying cassette/CDs. However, if someone is stealthily engaged in creating CDs from MP3 format files, the problem should be addressed to a 'sub-set' of internet community and not to every one in general. As regards the brand-new songs on the net, most of the sites featuring these songs are commercial and they should be tackled separately by recording companies who have the rights to copy and distribute. We have invested our time and little knowledge much to the benefit of TFM listeneres like us who can calm their restless souls and salvage from insanity in lineliness having come far away from india by listening to those songs. Few years back , the forumers could only discuss the songs and the enlightening was limited to those who possess the song or those have some bygone memories. It becomes easier for listeners to give their opinions on any song as long as they become available (old or new) and enables people like me to go for the CDs and cassettes. I have bought CD or cassettes of many old and few new albums after listening to them on the net and i still believe that condensed format of music (RM or MP3) are NOT the best quality for persistent listening. If i like a song/album, i have to go for CD or cassette for genuine pleasure. However, if IR still feels that technology becomes villian(where someone can replicate quality) and threatens the very existence of artists, i would not hesitate to chime in my assent favouring the artist and be a forerunner in the alleviating process.
  
  I can take my site off-line if IR(or any other MDs) feels that we are "vayathula adichufying" their business.
  
  Regards
  
  RameshB
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 63.98.159.62) on: Wed May 17 15:27:27 EDT 2000
  
  typo "lineliness" should read "loneliness"
  
  

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