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Mumbai Moham - What do Tamils put up with the bad and mediocre singing of Mumbai artistes?

Topic started by Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on Sat Dec 1 22:44:28 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language? Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers? Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?

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• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 13 12:05:36 EST 2001
  
  WhyNot -
  
  Your wish was granted! I got what I deserved (for being "emotional" aka "concerned"):
  
  "Utter disregard,contempt for anyone who shows the slightest difference with your high-and-mighty,pompous,bombastic ,boring verbiage."
  
  I will not attempt to appeal this verdict. I accept that I am truly guilty of Thinking. I have learned to choose my battles. Good luck to you and the rest.
  
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on: Thu Dec 13 12:11:07 EST 2001
  
  >>WhyNot -
  
  Your wish was granted!<<
  
  Which wish got granted? I'm sorry, I miss the point.
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 13 12:12:16 EST 2001
  
  You were wondering why I was mentioning "leaving" and still hanging around. Now I won't. Just outta here.
  Have fun :-))
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 13 12:19:44 EST 2001
  
  Indhu,
  
  okay since i have to s p e l l out my logic to u...
  
  what people want and what people are made to want are the same.
  
  there is no difference between the two. Since people base their likes and dislikes and all other wants based on what they get and what their enviorment offers...
  
  people also undergo attitudinal and "rasani" tunings over time and each snap shot of time they will have a different "i want this" list
  
  Now classifying the "want" created by ARR as "forced" and others as sort of a natural expectation is biased and inability to grasp the situation.
  
  as the "want" of tamilians singing tamil songs has also been forced or induced as much as the "want" of listening to a different voice...
  
  in anycase... i am still not confident you will understand what i said...
  
  you have an apparent proclivity to throw in decorated sentences, which when stripped off all the superflous adjectives and sentence perspectives, are quite vaccuous in logic.
  
  we all have good exposure to PGWodehouse style of english... here music knowledge and logic is what people search for!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Thu Dec 13 12:20:34 EST 2001
  
  We'll see about that ;-))
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Thu Dec 13 12:21:21 EST 2001
  
  Oops, my post was to Indhu.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 13 16:20:21 EST 2001
  
  //"): How in god's name do you know that my patriotism is "fake", Bharath. I think the question is important, as your name/moniker here is loaded with irony!"//
  
  i know indhu u will be reading this!
  
  I didnt say your patriotism is fake. I merely said patriotism, if it exists only in this nature, is fake.
  
  There are lot of things you could have done for this language...like propogate it to the outside world much like ARR propogated it to Udit, sadhna sargam and sukwinder... :-)
  
  that cud also be called being a good tamilian in including others ! not expecting any results in the form of others including you!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 13 16:26:02 EST 2001
  
  plus enugh of this "i wont post anymore" thingie.
  
  Why not ! you have made your point! its not good to drive away a participant!
  
  indhu,
  
  if walking away is all that you have been taught... isnt it a shame! why fear to confront a few people here and say" i am bak because i like to and i want to"
  
  why issue loose statements like "i am leaving" and then be held to your word! is this all neccessary?
  
  this forum encourages participation so be a sport and get bak!
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 13 16:55:13 EST 2001
  
  Dear Bharath - The "leaving" statement had a context to it. Could you please go back a few pages in this thread and look it up? I'd appreciate that.
  
  I have been a sport all along. I wouldn't have started this thread to walk away from it. This thread has been up there on the home-page list everyday. I take that to be sign that this issue has made people think. You'd agree, I am sure, that that can be considered a "minor" success?
  
  I have presented my argument, accepted the limitations of the topic (and also explained how and why I started this discussion - that too is there - please go back a few pages.) Not content with just being somebody who talks about the "problem" I have also made suggestions regarding the possible avenues of action (however, ineffective or feeble they may be,) and have also asked the other participants if they have other ideas which we could work on...I have persevered and I have participated and I have always believed that this was productive, these analyses, these varied points-of-view. I have tried to live up to the responsibility of having started this all in the first place. And I am happier and better informed for it than when I began.
  
  Yet -
  
  After being summed up as "verbose, contemptuous, vaccuous, bombastic, illogical, high and mighty, and boring..." what's left to do?
  
  Give me one good reason why I must put up with this rather personal, and by all accounts, vicious vilification?
  
  Isn't it wise to withdraw (much against my sincere interest in this debate) and leave it to others who know better and have a higher understanding of the issue?
  
  Why spend my time thinking up decorative sentence structures when, as you discovered, they are empty and hollow to the core?
  
  I think leaving, for now, is necessary.
  But please be a sport yourself, and keep up your postings. I wish success - I really do.
  
  
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 13 17:00:26 EST 2001
  
  Addendum: Not leave things unanswered in your earlier message, Bharath: I have listed what I have done for Tamil and Tamil Culture in general - in my own small way...a kutty list of those endeavors is also there if you go back a few pages.
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Dec 13 17:03:34 EST 2001
  
  hmmm.. if all in this forum were spared of critisism and all the DF'ers quit after the first obstacle (in this case critisism) then this wudnt be a crowded place after all.
  
  most df'ers start new threads which are discussed and thought about. its not something new! this topic also has been discussed adnauseum many times in the past year!
  
  u need to understand this in a much bigger pic. this place is much like a free time entertaintment to most!
  
  again i commented that You COMMENTS had vaccous logic. I didnt say Indhu was vaccuous person. that hardly qualifies as a personal attack. u see the difference!
  
  
• From: Counter (@ 208.134.115.241) on: Thu Dec 13 18:26:35 EST 2001
  
  Enough already!
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Fri Dec 14 05:12:14 EST 2001
  
  I'm listening to Chennai FM (IST 15:20), with Sasirekha as the guest. It's a tragedy that such singers languish; she sings so well live on radio, and her commitment to the profession is endearing. She sang live "vazhve mayama" (gayathri), "itho itho en nenjile" (vattathukkul sathuram), "vizhiyil vizhunthu" (alaigal oyvathillai)... the voice is still as fresh, clear and crisp
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Fri Dec 14 07:22:51 EST 2001
  
  >>its not good to drive away a participant!<<
  Bharath, speak for yourself.
  I have encouraged Indhu to come back from her self-imposed exile once and she did return. I was only teasing her and what drove her away were the personal attacks made against her, not me.
  
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Dec 14 08:11:33 EST 2001
  
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  indhu, you should have been prepared for this. when, someone says something thought provoking, especially about tamil, there will be people invoking patriotism, impartiality, hospitality. they will be suddenly overwhelmed by these virtues.
  
  but, you have to carry on regardless of these. may be you are too young.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.40.187) on: Fri Dec 14 08:39:17 EST 2001
  
  suresh,
  
  B.S.Sasirekha has repeatedly given hit sings and has been repeatedly ignored (proves the point that MDs don't give what people like). "vaazvE maayamaa", "viziyil vizunthu", and "raaththiri nEraththu poojaiyil" were huge hits. "itho itho", "senthoorappoovE ingu", a duet from oomai vizhigaL with SNSurendar were hits also. All this in under twenty songs that I can count of hers.
  
  If you look at Uma Ramanan's career (poongathave, aanantha raagam, kasthuri maane, kannane nee vara, agaaya vennilave, nee paathi, etc were all hit sogns) and Vani Jayaram's career (a long list of hit songs) they are very similar to Sasirekha's. All of them have given great songs repeatedly but have been ignored repeatedly, only a varying degree of rejection. Poor Sasirekha is at the bottom of the list. Uma Ramanan did slightly better than Sasirekha. And Vani, thanks to her Mumbai fame, fared better than the other two, or she would been totally ignored too. Is it just a coincidence that these three women are Tamils or are these women just mediocre singers like someone said. I wonder if Sunantha is a Tamil also, cant even count ten songs sung by her.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.137) on: Fri Dec 14 08:42:25 EST 2001
  
  >>I also asked other people here is they thought any of the ideas/concepts I put forward were worthy/interesting/potentially effective...<<
  
  Indhu, when u make an action plan, u decide, u schedule, u plan and u tell others what the deal is and tell the interested parties to email u, so u can take it further by maybe splitting the work, getting contacts, etc. Mere suggestions, asking others for their opinions, discussing whether u r right or wrong, will only take u in circles. Where this forum is concerned, I think u have achieved the purpose of hearing out the pros and cons, getting the interest of those who agree with you, and that's all I think this forum can do for you. You can't convince everyone to agree with you, no matter what u r arguing for. Even if u r fighting for human rights, some people will tell you it's not important. So just get on with it, instead of leaving behind your ideas and running away. Unless of course, u were never really interested to take it further in the first place. But I'll give u the benefit of the doubt.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 14 09:32:02 EST 2001
  
  Where this forum is concerned, I think u have achieved the purpose of hearing out the pros and cons, getting the interest of those who agree with you, and that's all I think this forum can do for you.
  
  Why not, "Your words above are very correct"
  
  

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