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Everything you always wanted to talk about ARR vs. IR but were afraid..

Topic started by rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on Wed Aug 18 17:12:52 EDT 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Too many posters are using other topics to discuss/slam/comment/praise IR/ARR that I thought we could use this one thread as a catch all for all those posts. Welcome guys!!!

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Responses:

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• From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com) on: Sun Sep 19 19:27:19 EDT 1999
  
  Did anyone notice that Takshak sounds awfully bad????
  
  
• From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com) on: Sun Sep 19 19:34:09 EDT 1999
  
  Excellent work of IR in Kakkai Chiraginile!!!
  
  
• From: ragunathan naidu (@ brf-cache11.jaring.my) on: Sun Sep 19 23:46:44 EDT 1999
  
  thalaivaaaa superrroooo super.....
  nallla music panurehhh neyaaaaa.......i like it'
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on4-29.netcom.ca) on: Mon Sep 20 01:24:56 EDT 1999
  
  "Did anyone notice that Takshak sounds awfully bad????"
  
  No I didn't notice that. I guess it takes a Genius like yourself to notice that :)
  
  I think Thakshak is great, ARR never seems to run out of good music.
  
  I have noticed one think one think in this forum in my absence, the thread "Is ARR running out of ideas" has dissappeared from the main page. So I guess he isn't running out of ideas afterall :)
  
  
  
• From: Satheesh (@ sandalwood.cisco.com) on: Mon Sep 20 02:06:42 EDT 1999
  
  
  Ram, when u listen to an ARR song, have u ever had the feeling that u've heard this song sometime before? It sure isnt dejavu. Its just that it sounds much similar to one of his old songs. Isnt it an evidence for his running out of ideas?
  Ofcourse, his music sounds good sometimes. But he hasnt done anything innovative that is worth comparing with IR's contribution to music.
  
  Often ARR's music reminds me of this popular saying.. "People would eat $hit if you decorate it with a salad dressing" :-)
  
  [ARR fans, dont take this comment to your heart]
  
  Bye
  
  
• From: kindal (@ hlr-42-115.tm.net.my) on: Mon Sep 20 02:18:01 EDT 1999
  
  At least ARR's comes with a salad dressing. Look at what the IR FANs like you are eating now?
  
  
• From: Zulfir (@ 202.54.50.162) on: Mon Sep 20 07:16:15 EDT 1999
  
  ARR cannot tune according to the situaton. when u listen the music of "Sangamam" the songs sounds ok on audio but when u see it with picture it is ridiculous. Take the same subject in "Nattupurappattu" by IR, the songs matches the situation. that's IR = "originality".
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Mon Sep 20 11:34:55 EDT 1999
  
  Zulfir,
  
  Hope you are aware that the songs are composed first and then they get picturised. So the responsibility of picturising a song well rests with the director. The director explains a situation and MD comes up with a suitable score. So, its not the fault of ARR (MD) but the director if sangamam songs havent been picturised well!!
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on3-07.netcom.ca) on: Mon Sep 20 19:13:17 EDT 1999
  
  "Ram, when u listen to an ARR song, have u ever had the feeling that u've heard this song sometime before?"
  
  Yeah many, many times. That's not because ARR recycles, but because his songs are too damn good that you won't be satisfied with just one listening of each song.
  
  But every time I hear an argument from an anti-ARR fan (aka IR fan) I know I heard that argument before.
  
  You guys just don't get tired of saying "ARR recycles, he's only popular due to marketing".
  
  He's popular because people love his music. Maybe it so happens that the music liked by most of the people is not liked by the people who have too much time on their hands, that they have to analyse each song right down to every single instrument used.
  
  "Often ARR's music reminds me of this popular saying.. "People would eat $hit if you decorate it with a salad dressing" :-)"
  
  I don't know what kind of 'people' you have been hanging around with, but maybe you should think about making new friends.
  
  
  
  
• From: Satheesh (@ sandalwood.cisco.com) on: Tue Sep 21 01:54:40 EDT 1999
  
  
  > Yeah many, many times. That's not because ARR
  > recycles, but because his songs are too damn
  > good that you won't be satisfied with just one
  > listening of each song.
  
  Do you think this is a good counter-argument? I think I over-estimated you guys.
  I've always pictured IR as someone like one of those Ayn Rand's heroes.. with his constructive Ego and Creativity. Unfortunately, not many ppl can recognize such guys. All I've been saying is dont compare IR with ARR. Its like comparing Mozart with Will Smith. And its like comparing UNIX with Windows. People who know something about computers can only appreciate UNIX.
  
  I believe nobody in this forum has mentioned about movie re-recording[background score or whatever]. When it comes to music, I give more importance to this background music than songs. Needless to say, IR has always done a good job of composing amazing background scores. Nayagan, Thalapathi, Guna, Mahanadhi.. to name a few. Those music add values to the movie situtation. On the other hand when I think about what ARR has done.. only his background scores in Roja and Thiruda Thiruda which he had imitated from Hollywood movies come to my mind. Deva lifts the whole tune and ARR lifts the Rhythm or a Beat from western composers. Thats the difference b'ween the two.
  
  > He's popular because people love his music.
  > Maybe it so happens that the music liked by most > of the people is not liked by the people who
  > have too much time on their hands, that they
  > have to analyse each song right down to every
  > single instrument used.
  
  This forum is only for ppl who analyse music. Dont waste your time adding your valuable comments in here.
  
  Music is not just composing hip-hop songs. Theres one rare concept in tamil film music. Hero/Heroine sandhoshama irukumbodhu oru paatu paduvanga. Later, adhe paata sogama paadara madhiri movie-la varum.. with some minor change in tune and lyrics.
  For ex, the songs "povoma oorgolam" & "nee engey" in ChinnaThambi. You can feel the difference b'ween the two songs. ARR tried to do a similar work in PudhiyaMugam.. the song is "netrey illadha maatram". He just decreased the pitch of the song and called it a soga paatu. Same song-a low voltage-la kekara madhiri irukum. Listen to these songs yourself and you would know the difference.
  
  Another request guys.. ppl who havent listened to IR's music, pls dont participate in this forum.
  
  > I don't know what kind of 'people' you have been > hanging around with, but maybe you should think > about making new friends.
  
  Its sad that you couldnt take it easy. Maybe you should come out of your shell, make real friends and learn to accept the facts.
  
  
• From: Zulfir (@ ppp50-89.dot.vsnl.net.in) on: Tue Sep 21 05:43:04 EDT 1999
  
  Satheesh,
  I agree with u 100%. the bgm is the main thing to make the viewer to be involved. IR is the only music director for the real bgm.
  
  Chandy,
  the director of the sangamam may not be a good one. but the director of "Kizhakku Cheemayiley" is the great bharathi raja. in the same film also ARR couldnot make any sense of folk music. and the BGM of the film has been repeated in uzhavan, indira, bombay, sangamam.... and will continue.
  the BGM ARR played for a sequence in kaadhalan (Prabhu deva and Nagma meet each other) is repeated in "muthu" and "padayappa". it seems to be lack of imagination. But IR has Lakhs of imaginations.
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Tue Sep 21 08:53:36 EDT 1999
  
  Satheesh
  Just for clarification,
  "Who gives a damn about youngsters"
  People would eat $hit if you dcorate it with salad dressing"
  Ithu unggal PON MOZHIGALO???!!!!
  NALLA MUTHANA PON MOZHIGAL!
  "PPL who havent listened to IR's music dont participate in this forum"
  How are the above (your statements) relevant to this forum?
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on7-20.netcom.ca) on: Tue Sep 21 23:34:27 EDT 1999
  
  "Do you think this is a good counter-argument?
  
  I am sorry that my reply doesn't entertain or amuse you as much as analysing a song in the middle of the night.
  
  "I think I over-estimated you guys."
  
  The only person you are over-estimating is yourself.
  
  "I've always pictured IR as someone like one of those Ayn Rand's heroes.. with his constructive Ego and Creativity."
  
  This also seems to inspire his fans to grow their egos, and creativity (in terms of coming up with ways to put down ARR on baseless points).
  
  
  "I've been saying is dont compare IR with ARR. Its like comparing Mozart with Will Smith."
  
  First of all IR is no Mozart, and secondly Will Smith is no ARR by any stretch of the imagination.
  
  "This forum is only for ppl who analyse music. Dont waste your time adding your valuable comments in here."
  
  Oh really? Sorry I mistaken this forum as a place to get news on upcoming album releases, and to get others opinions. I didn't know this was a music decoding factory.
  
  "On the other hand when I think about what ARR has done.. only his background scores in Roja and Thiruda Thiruda which he had imitated from Hollywood movies come to my mind. Deva lifts the whole tune and ARR lifts the Rhythm or a Beat from western composers. Thats the difference b'ween the two."
  
  Well for someone who thinks what ARR produces is something covered with salad dresssing, you sure spent a lot of time analysing its actual contents.
  I doubt you also spend as much time analysing Deva's work, maybe that's also a difference between the two.
  
  Maybe ARR uses beats of western composers, but over 95% of what he produces is original. Now don't tell me 100% of what IR produces is original, because it's not true.
  
  "Another request guys.. ppl who havent listened to IR's music, pls dont participate in this forum."
  
  I didn't know you were the newly appointed lieutenant in this form.
  
  It's the IR fans who are afraid to face the facts. Example, ARR is the #1 music Tamil director today, but none of IR fans can admit that. They will try to tell you Deva is, or IR still is because he's more original.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ananth (@ 203.120.178.74) on: Wed Sep 22 06:36:56 EDT 1999
  
  To all the ARR bashers - do you know that a ARR song has topped the Sun TV super 10 every week from February 1999 till date! No other music director has been able to dislodge him. The most successful Tamil soundtracks (irrespective of the critics) are Padayappa, Sangamam, K-Dinam, En Swasa Katrae and now Jodi. Soundtracks like Vaali, Thullatha Manamum Thullum and Poovellam Kettuppar are the only other successful soundtracks i.e a contribution each from Deva, SA Rajkumar and Y.Shanker Raja. Not one soundtrack from IR ( the last big hit was Kadhalukku Mariyadhai way back in 1998!. Can anyone dispute these facts?
  
  
• From: Ananth (@ 203.120.178.74) on: Wed Sep 22 06:44:01 EDT 1999
  
  Perhaps Kadhal Kavidhai is an exception - but its soundtrack was as big a hit like the ones mentioned above.
  
  

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