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Everything you always wanted to talk about ARR vs. IR but were afraid..

Topic started by rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on Wed Aug 18 17:12:52 EDT 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Too many posters are using other topics to discuss/slam/comment/praise IR/ARR that I thought we could use this one thread as a catch all for all those posts. Welcome guys!!!

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Responses:

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• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Tue Sep 14 07:22:24 EDT 1999
  
  Madhan Sar
  Romba kobamaa irukkureergal polirukkuthu!!!
  You are entittled to your opinion.But if you could substantiate with reasons,it would be appreciable.
  Kaaranam kodukkamal velakkennai,veppennai ellam pavikirathkku ithu ennai mandram illainga Sar.
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ mail1.pmc-vacc.com) on: Tue Sep 14 10:51:13 EDT 1999
  
  "From my observations the younger generation of Tamizlians(especially the one living in Western countries)seem to drop out of listening Tamizl songs.But,this situation started to take a turn with ARR music"
  
  Pala,
  
  With the so called 'meatkaththiya mogam' youngsters started to stop listening to 'TAMIL' music.
  
  ARR came in and provided what sounded so much like 'Western' music. VM and Vaali helped by providing English lyrics. So these youngsters started listening to this music again.
  
  ithu munaetrama? pinnadaivaa? puriyalaye!!!
  
  
• From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com) on: Tue Sep 14 20:06:29 EDT 1999
  
  koothan..
  just think!!!
  Never a fact that,
  IR has never done a "Awful" western stuff and
  ARR has never done a pure TAMIZH folk and carnatice stuff...
  its just the collection of songs u listen and like..
  its just a fact that ARR's use of variety instruments that make his songs sound hi-fi.. it does not mean thats western..
  need to have some music knowledge to talk about Western, "TAMIL" music, "mearkathiya mogham" and all that crap!!!
  
  
• From: Genius (@ srirama.intecom.com) on: Tue Sep 14 20:09:36 EDT 1999
  
  samples of IR stuff that makes ur nerves turn around:
  
  1. Lovenna Love.. from Meera
  2. Ooranga Sriranga -- from singaravelan
  3. more and more..
  still. there a pretty good fabulous numbers from IR also..
  so be choosy about the music and the numbers and not just the MDs..
  
  
• From: mandhaiveli mayilsami (@ pppa14-phoenix12-3r127.saturn.bbn.com) on: Tue Sep 14 22:46:52 EDT 1999
  
  Genius
  why X koothan like this?! ;-))) koothan know nothing about moosic?! ARR give rubbish IR give wholesome moosic. Western moosic is BS. No melody , only harmonium. MSV used counters in his score. Raja used cards lot. ARR only copy from western score. Deva's ganna (sharbath) is rotten.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.76) on: Wed Sep 15 00:19:45 EDT 1999
  
  ROTFL;)))))
  
  
• From: ASUGAN (@ kmr-185-185.tm.net.my) on: Wed Sep 15 02:51:36 EDT 1999
  
  ARR'S MUSIC SCORE VERY MODEN AND LATE
  IR'S NORMAL MUSIC
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Wed Sep 15 09:01:33 EDT 1999
  
  Koothan
  I do not think listening/not listening to music has anything to do with Munnettram.
  Maerkkathia mogam-could be due to peer pressure and influence..
  VM and VAALI providing English lyrics? Ithu thaan enakku onnum puriyavillai!
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ mail1.pmc-vacc.com) on: Wed Sep 15 10:22:32 EDT 1999
  
  Genius (ithu iyat peyaraa? kaarana peyaraa? )
  
  enakku music knowledge illengarathu vaasthavam.
  
  aanaa, ungalukku English knowledge illengarathu thaan romba varuththamaa irrukku:-)
  
  Read my posting again. I said "sounded so much like western". You have agreed to this fact with your musically knowledgable statement about hi-fi and variety of instruments.
  
  I rest my case.
  
  By the way, 'metkathiya moegam' is not 'crap'. It is a reality.
  
  'senthamizh naattin thalai nagaraam
  chennayil annai thamizh engae?'
  
  ....later
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Sep 15 14:35:38 EDT 1999
  
  Genius,
  
  "ARR has never done a pure TAMIZH folk and carnatice stuff".
  
  Have you got a chance to listen to the classical based songs by ARR? - nila kaigiradhu, sowkiyama kanne soukiyama, kannodu kaanbhadhellam etc..???
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ mail1.pmc-vacc.com) on: Wed Sep 15 18:12:26 EDT 1999
  
  Chandy,
  
  neenga thapa purinjunteenga.
  
  What Genius meant was the opposite of what you have quoted above.
  
  He said, 'It was never fact that....'
  
  neegalum avarum oru katchithaan. ithila utkatchi kuzhappam vendame?!
  
  (enakku innum vaenum. Genius koeda sandai poeda poi, kadaisiyila avarukku vakkaalaththu vaanga aendiyathaa irukku:) )
  
  
• From: mandhaiveli mayilsami (@ pppa19-resalephoenix4-2r1044.saturn.bbn.com) on: Wed Sep 15 19:25:28 EDT 1999
  
  IR did better classcial scores than ARR. In minsara kanne, ARR overdoses with konnakals. athuku pesama miruthangaththaiye thattindu polaam! In sowGyamA nithyasiri, maand(!) maandunnu maandra, too much sangathis, sowgyama sowgyama..nu kaettunde irukka ! ARR has anything like idraikku yenintha?
  
  
• From: TRAP (@ leo.ece.neu.edu) on: Thu Sep 16 00:14:24 EDT 1999
  
  Classifying rahman's music as "western" does not make it better than our traditional music. For that matter you cannot classify his music into western classical,pop,rock..etc...the closes rahman's music comes to is a mix of techno and hip-hop...and the trend to this kind of music is slowly becoming popular in the western world...It has been more of black dominated music world..which is slowly getting popular with the entry of backstreet boys and the likes...That is to say this kind of music does not have much of a root...what rahman is trying to do is mix these noxious but catchy tunes into tamil films...It is not healthy for TFM to have these so called "trashy music"...Personally I feel that I can relate better to "panni vizhum malar vanam" than to "Humma HUmma"
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-86-95.sprint.ca) on: Thu Sep 16 01:03:38 EDT 1999
  
  Haaieee! Intha sanda innum mudiyallaiyaa:-)
  
  
• From: surabhi (@ afldnsgw.afl.co.in) on: Thu Sep 16 05:32:48 EDT 1999
  
  Hey guys, I am from bombay and my exposure to tamil music is more on the basis of the songs, u know the lyrics than the actual music....but after reading the responses I think outside of Chennai most of the people are exposed to ARR than IR, specially the youngsters...thanks to him at least that way we listen to tamil music!!!
  
  
• From: Gatsby (@ mec-xckt-auth147.mecnet.com) on: Thu Sep 16 10:16:49 EDT 1999
  
  What ARR composes is categorized under New Age music!
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Sep 16 11:21:12 EDT 1999
  
  koothan. oops!! :)) neenga inime vakalluthu vaanga venam. u can continue your fight! :)
  
  Mandaveli mayilsami, your postings seem to be in bad taste. Can you try and maintain some norms of posting here??
  
  
  
• From: Pala (@ proxy.primus.com.au) on: Fri Sep 17 09:54:02 EDT 1999
  
  HI Guys
  I do not see why it is so difficult to accept Tamizhl music laced with Western music.Afterall how many of us have been to Sangeetham Classes or had the facility to attend such classes?
  Why is that we can accept Tamizhl Movies whic are replica of English movies!BUT not Tamizhl songs laced with western music!!!!
  I can quote two Tamizhl movies that were replica of English MOvies.
  1) A movie starring PRABU--replica of Coming TO America (I cant remember the name).
  2) AVVAI SHANMUGI--replica of MRS.DOUBTFIRE.
  Surabhi--you have said very well.Your last few words sum up to make the point.
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Fri Sep 17 15:23:57 EDT 1999
  
  Pala,
  
  The replica of "Coming to America" is "My Dear Marthandan" stg. Prabhu, Kushboo.
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.62) on: Sat Sep 18 00:03:32 EDT 1999
  
  Dear Pala, "Avvai Shanmughi" is ADAPTED from "Mrs.Doubtfire" - that is all - the screenplay, the plots and subplots were all original and very different from the English one - it has been very nicely Indianised and indigenised by Kamal
  
  
• From: Zulfir (@ 203.197.20.22) on: Sat Sep 18 04:22:55 EDT 1999
  
  Ilayaraja the great musician cannot be beaten by anybody. he has his own style, from "Annakkizhi" to the last release "Anthappuram". he changed the trend of the music, we cannot say that he hasn't taken western style. In "Ninnukkori Varanum" for agni nakshthram is a pure western one. and in the same film "Raja rajathi raja" is a western one. others can do this. but they cannot do the mixing of western and classical/western and folk/classical and folk... etc.,
  
  ARR is still a kid who is playing and learning. he will do better than now but not better than IR
  
  
• From: Satheesh (@ sandalwood.cisco.com) on: Sat Sep 18 09:14:04 EDT 1999
  
  > ARR came in and provided what sounded so much
  > like 'Western' music. VM and Vaali helped by
  > providing English lyrics. So these youngsters
  > started listening to this music again.
  
  Nobody gives a damn to what these youngsters listen to. if you wanna listen to western music with tamil lyrics, why do you need a music director in the first place? Someone can just write tamil lyrics for all those western songs.
  
  Guys, for heavens sake dont compare IR with ARR.
  
  ARR is not that bad at all. But he should start using real music instruments as well. Even if he gets a chance to compose a symphony, I would hate to see him performing on the stage with his music synthesiser, all by himself :-)
  [ Dont tell me his live show on sony TV was pretty good. Anyone with good senses could make out that most of the music played in the show was pre-recorded.]
  
  Another complaint I have is that ARR's music doesnt have a flow, sometimes. Its like listening to 3 or more different songs, time multiplexed into a woofer.
  
  
• From: Ganesh Kumar Venkatasubramanian (@ 98a7322e.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 18 15:02:29 EDT 1999
  
  Satheesh is perfectly correct (in my opinion)...ARR doesn't use much real instruments and don't have a flow in his music, which I wud prefer to call "continuity"...I have a few points to make:
  
  1. I am a student in the US and I disagree that Tamilians who go abroad stop listening to Tamil music. Every tamilian I know in the US still listens to tamil music and occasionally (depending on the availability) watches tamil movies!!!
  
  2. There is no point in comparing ARR and IR...IR HAS COME TO THE LEVEL OF COMPOSING SYMPHONY...its like comparing Mozart or Beethovan to some hip hop composer!!!
  
  3. I have a huge collection of Illiayaraja...I listen to many western collections too...but I'll keep building on his collection and will listen to his music until I die.
  
  4. I have made some of my American friends listen to ARR and IR music...with IR's music, almost always, they are able to guess the mood and meaning of the songs!!! Is that just a coincidence each time????
  
  5. Its not a question of "westernised" or "folk" music...its a question of "rich music", "continuity", "melody" etc. I listen to ARR's music too, but it stops with listening...if I wanna get inspired, if I wanna analyse each instrument and sound in a composition, I have no choice but to listen to IR's music...hope u guys get what I am saying!!!
  
  Take care and have fun.
  
  Ganesh.
  
  5.
  
  
• From: rahmanfan (@ proxy.cowan.edu.au) on: Sun Sep 19 06:52:52 EDT 1999
  
  if u wanna analyze each and every nuance, first and foremost, never by a cd... because it’z an approximate reconstruction, creadted by sampling, inserted go back to u’r tapes coz they are analog and give an infinitely defined reproduction of the real song...
  
  now doesn’t that sound silly, similar is u’r argument for rahman to use real instruments, always! humans cannot note the real difference anyway, n’ all we do is cry... when we don’t know what we hear...
  
  

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