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KAVIYARASU KANNADASAN

Topic started by On behalf of Sankar (@ 210.186.51.129) on Mon Dec 30 07:11:34 EST 2002.
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Kaaviyathayin Illaya magan
Kadhal Pengalin Perun thalaivan
Paamara jaadiyil thani manidan – naan
Padaippadhanal yen per Iraivan

Naan Manida jaadiyai aati vaipen – avar
Maandu vital adhai paadi vaipen
NAAN NIRANDARAM AANAVAN AZHIVADILAI
ENDA NILAYILUM ENAKKU MARANAM ILLAI

These are the great lines of Kaviyarasu Kannadasan in the movie Ratha Thilakam where he acts in the movie singing these lines. ( Song.. Oru Koopayilae yen kudiyiruppu)

What a visionary he was ? Indeed, he is NIRANDARAMAANAVAN.

I share some of my observations about Kavingyar. I want all the fans of HIM to join this discussion and add more quality material in praise of his great works.
This is the only way we pay tributes to this GENIUS.
WILL WE EVER GET BACK A KAVINGYAR LIKE KANNADASAN ??

Read the complete opening post here.

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• Old responses
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Tue Apr 8 03:36:32 EDT 2003
  
  Mani:
  
  In the LRE song of karuppup paNam,
  
  kai Thatta Aalirunthaal kakkai Kooda Rasiganadi
  
  is actually
  
  kai Thatta Aalirunthaal kakkai Kooda nadiganadi
  
  ..which is actually a hit at MGR, as you said. The pallavi also continues in the same spirit as
  
  poyyilE neendhi vandhaal puLuganellaam thalaivanadi
  poosaari vElai seyyum aasaami sooranadi
  
  etc.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Apr 8 04:31:48 EDT 2003
  
  Raj
  
  adding to your post the immortal
  
  "Orayiram paarvayile" which gives you a beatles feel.
  
  KD could give in chaste tamil "Naanathale Kaalgal pinna pinna" even for a remake song.
  
  When vairamuthu could write Monalisa ,Symphony,50 kg etc and pass it as a Tamil song KD,the great man he is uses "Ooviya chemaati" for Monalisa in "oonjalukku poochuti"(Avan than Manithan).this is one of my fav songs
  "Mounathil Malar cholai" "Manjathil KuLir Katru" ,"Karmugil Kuzhalada Kai viral padam poda"
  -the words simply flow.
  
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.172) on: Tue Apr 8 04:45:41 EDT 2003
  
  Mani Sir, how can you leave out SJ's 'Undhan raja sabai ingu vaaraatho'- Karuppu Panam? I think it was filmed on Chandrakantha.
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 210.186.0.161) on: Tue Apr 8 05:24:29 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks Saravanan.
  
  Mani, thanks for the add-ons and can I further add my add-ons to the previous add-ones?!!
  
  Re - "Ammamma keladi thozhi" (Karuppu Panam). Kaviarasar insisted on LR Eswari's voice although MSV was against it. Kaviarasar won and the song became a hit especially with the modulation of LRE's voice to a low and husky pitch. This was the song also where LR Eswari's sister, LR Anjali made her debut as the 'thozhi'. It is strange that kaviarasar not only recommended LRE strongly but also brought in her sister for this song. Poor MSV!
  
  Incidentally, the song "Kayyile panam irunthaal kazhudai kooda arasanadi" was banned by the Indian authorities for fear of irking the ire of MGR's fans. The latter was a group to be reckoned with all over Tamil Nad at that time, hence the ban as a security measure.
  
  I hope folks from Tamil Nad can confirm as to whether the song still remains banned or otherwise.
  
  Incidentally ,the song "Ellorum Ellamum Peravendum" sung by Sirghazhiar for our hero (Kannadhasan) was banned by the Malaysian authorities for its strong pro-socialist and communist ideologicaL contents.
  
  Re - 'Raktha Thilagam'.
  
  I cannot help but laugh when I saw kaviarasar dressed in full western attire (with tie) but wearing slippers for the song scene "Oru koppayile en kudiruppu"!
  
  For your info, folks, this song was much debated by kaviarasar's fans during his heydays. Some felt that the word "koppayile" was a reference to the files of his literary works and the "kola mayil" was the pen in chaste Tamil. Of course, the other group said it reflected kaviarasar's true nature.
  
  And what was kaviarasar's reaction to all those debates? He chose to go by his own maxim "En jeevan piriyum pothu oru kayyil madhuvum innoru kayyil maadhuvum irukkavendum, illayil antha iraivan naan vazhntha valkkaiku arthamillai endru thiruppi anuppividuvaan!". ("When this soul breathes its last one hand should hold the liquor and the other a damsel, if not the Good Lord will reprimand me for leading a meaningless life and hence return me to this mortal world"!)
  
  About the upside down flag scene. This also reminds me of one glaring bloob of a shot for the film 'Veerapaandiya Kattabomman'(1959). In the last scene the camera is focussed on Shivaji from ground level who is about to be hanged. Shivaji is shown kissing the rope as a farewell and suddenly you see a modern jet cruising the sky leaving behind a trail of white smoke! This scene was taken in an outdoor location and it still bewilders me and my friends as to how such a glaring mistake went unnoticed by the producer (BR Panthulu) and his technicians of this period film.
  
  The song "Paaradi kanney konjam" was lifted from a Hindi qwali tune and not ghazal as stated by me earlier.
  
  Another interesting tidbit about this film ('Vallavanukku Vallavan') which was actually a remake of the Hindi 'Ustadon ke Ustad'.
  
  After a series of mediocore films from Modern Theatres this film ran for 100 days. The reason being that the roles were reversed for Gemini Ganesh/Manorama and Asokan/Manohar. Traditionally the former were used to playing good guy roles whilst the latter bad ones. The reversed roles with an unexpected climax made a success of this film. Of course, Savithiri's cameo role also helped.
  
  Mani, you may be right in the sense that kaviarasar had some affinition for KR Vijaya during her budding years. You can see her character and personality being reflected in the song "Poo pol manathai thottuvittai punnagayil ..." where kaviarasar emphasised on her signature smile. This song was for the film 'Annavin Aasai' (1966)- the first film produced by actor K.Balaji.
  
  Amongst the female artistes who used to frequent kaviarasar in his house was KR Vijaya - to discuss her personal problems with him.
  
  Raj, there was also a debate over the song "Vara cholladi avanai vaayaalae oru muttham..." ('Paadhukaappu' 1972) in reference to Lord Murugan. The debate marvelled at kaviarasar's choice of words "...vaayalae oru muttham naanaga tharavendum". The line goes to show the sincere love of a devotee by wanting to kiss the Lord on His lips - a line never used by anyone before.
  
  Puvanes, I will get back to you later with the info you wanted.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 202.54.137.90) on: Tue Apr 8 06:32:36 EDT 2003
  
  oh Great Mahendra.. !! keep Going
  
  But As much i know Kavingar had soft Spot towards Devika...
  
  that too in the song poiyile pirandhu he assumed him in the place of MGR and wrote this song..
  
  may b u can elaborate more abt this
  
  
• From: geeth (@ 195.39.134.84) on: Tue Apr 8 07:41:38 EDT 2003
  
  raj, this poyyile pirandhu song episode and devika were discussed earlier in this thread. you may have to go back to the old responses which may give some irritation because of the length in the title posting. try the front page link which is only Mahendraraj's postings.
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.49.165) on: Tue Apr 8 09:37:39 EDT 2003
  
  A filler-up in between serious postings.
  
  Muthuraman, the character-actor died of heart failure while jogging one morning, in between a shooting schedule. It was Kamalhassan who first supported the collapsing Muthuraman. If I am not mistaken it was around the same time when kaviarasar died. "Engey vaazhakai thodangum athu engey evvitham mudiyum" - the lines were apt for him for mouthing the song in 'Nenjil Oru Aalayam' and also for the author (kaviarasar) who died in Chicago. What a coincidence!
  
  The descendants of thse two stalwarts, Kalaivaanan Kannadhasan and Kaarthik Muthuraman later produced and directed (by the former) a film entitled 'Kan Simmuttum Neram' (1987) with the latter as the hero. This film also saw the entry of Sarath Kumar as an actor who was also the co-producer. A few years later (1994), Kalaivanan died of a heart attack too.
  
  See you again folks!
  
  
• From: puvanes (@ 161.142.100.87) on: Tue Apr 8 10:38:12 EDT 2003
  
  this thread is enough to proof that kannadasan is still living in our hearts.nice infos by manisegaran and mahendra raj.keep up the good work. regarding to the atheist matter,after kaviyarasu went out from dmk with chollin selvar e.v.k.sambath he wished to pen a song of his feelings after moving out from atheist group to aatthigam group,this song was in aalayamani
  satti suttathadaa kai vittathadaa
  butthi kettathada nenjai thottathada
  paathi manathil theivam irunthu
  paarthu kondathada
  meethi manathil mirugam irunthu
  aatthi vaitthathada
  aatti vaittha mirugam indru adanggi vitthathada
  amaithi theivam muzhu manathil koyil kondathada
  aaravaarap paeigalellam odi vittathada
  aalayamani osai nenjil koyil kondathada
  darmadevan koyilile oli thulangguthada
  manam shanthi shanthi shanthi endru oivu
  kondathada
  he penned this song for the peace he got after moving out from dmk.this info was based on a.manisegaran's paatil porul uranggum series.so kannadasan had a lot of theivabakthi.may be that is why he choose the name kannadasan which means lord kannannin daasan (daasan means adimai)
  
  
• From: R.Mahendra Raj (@ 210.186.2.125) on: Wed Apr 9 00:38:17 EDT 2003
  
  Puvanes, you are absolutely correct re- the above song which was discussed earlier in this thread (KINDLY CLICK 'OLD RESPONSE' IN THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU ACCESS THE CORRECT SECTION).
  
  I also wish to point out that the last stanza of the above song (reproduced below)was excluded in the record print due to length factor. However, it was included in the film. I have heard the song in full from one of the latest CDs:-
  
  Erumbu tholai urikka paarka yaanai vanthathadaa
  Nan idhaya tholai urithu paartha nyanam vanthathadaa
  Pirakamunnae amaithi indru yeanthi vanthathadaa
  
  The above stanza was more befitting his bitter experience in DMK. However, he was back again in politics after a brief wilderness.
  
  Please also refer the 'Old Response' as to how he christened himself 'Kannadhasan'.
  
  Saravanan, re - 'Iravum Paghalum' songs.
  
  The song 'Ullathin kathavugal kangaladaa Ingu uravukku kaaranam pengalada' was purportedly written by a Malaysian freelance poet going by the name of Karu Velusamy. At that time he was in Chennai trying his best to get into Kodambagam probably trying to follow Malaysia Ravichandran's foot steps. He was unsuccessful. However, this song ended up as Alangudi Somu's to give a professional effect, perhaps.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Wed Apr 9 01:22:21 EDT 2003
  
  Did Kannadasan write "thaadhi thoodhO" from thenaali raman?
  
  

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