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Shankar-Ehsan-Loy !

Topic started by cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on Sun Jun 24 00:21:11 EDT 2001.
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Shankar-Ehsan-Loy...maybe the only other MD with Bollywood roots also composing for TF....I was listening to their "Dil Chahta Hai"..except for the title track, all the other songs seem to meander around...but they are the only ones around in Bollywood who give a original techno touch to their music apart from ARR.

"Aalavandhaan" is their next big TF release...would like to hear your opinions on this trio.

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• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.52.251) on: Sun Sep 2 09:43:43 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Vardhini
  S.P.Sir is a fantastic singer we havent yet had the oppurtunity to work with him but Loy and I met him when we were recording strings at Kodhandapani Audio Labs ( His Studio ) Shankr knows him very well.
  Lets hope that we can work with him on some upciming Hindi or Tamil project.
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.52.251) on: Sun Sep 2 09:51:02 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Common Friend
  the only TFM I've heard is ARR and as u know we have great respect for him as a musician and a person I havent heard too much of IR expet for Hey Ram which I think was great and after KamalHassan told me about the way they scored the songs to picture he's gone up even more in my view.I check out SunTV quite often and there is a lot of good stuff and some rubbish like there is in HFM.Invariably the godd stuff is ARR's.When Iw as in Chennai for the final mix of Abhay I picked up one cd which ARR did for Mani Ratnams last film with Mhadavan. Ilove the song that ARR , Clinton and HariHaran sing it rocks !!!!!
  Besides that I've only heard Tenali ( interestingly we were aporoached initially to do Thenali but our dates clashed ) and the older stuff like Roja and Rhythm all of them rock !!!!
  As far as the HFM scene goes I guess Ismail Darbar is good the rest .... well what do I say . Anu turns out some good melodies. But the finest were the old guys RD and shankar jaikishen
  
  
• From: your fan. (@ 24.4.252.5) on: Sun Sep 2 12:19:54 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Ehsaan
  
  Alavanhan songs are being pirated,please write to mp3.com, they are very legal.
  
  http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/266/twinstarz.html
  
  
• From: Raja Fan (@ 64.12.106.28) on: Sun Sep 2 14:16:48 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Ehsaan: How are you doing today? This is labor day weekend. Gas prices have shot up anyway I am on my way out for a long drive around Chicago. One reason I am going to get some ARR music which i listened to last night. Even though I was fascinated mostly by Salilda and IR song's primarily because of the fascinating interludes and preludes and their own fascination with Indian folk sounds, I am blown away by ARR too. Listening to most songs of his that i have not heard so far, I find that ARR's influence in mostly European pop and not Broadway (maybe derived from Pop) of the 70s. Some of his melodies are so well developed and perfect and so European, that I can't believe more variations (his tunes do sound familiar or atleast remind a music buff of those euromelodies) of those melodies could be developed. But, that is fantastic and that is probably why Webber found in ARR's music something he could relate to! Yes, ARR does makes Indian tunes and gives European type melodies a Indian folk touch. But, ARR is basically in tune with European/Spain pop in a little of Broadway idiom, and not too much Indian folk. But, his Tarapampam was a combination of two tunes (one a Tango and the other an Tamil song, the others are more straightforward application of European idioms, which no Indian music director has attempted to a large degree as ARR and found it accepted. That is where ARR is clearly separate from 'all' Indian composers. He is lucky too in that the timing in bringing out that facet of music in its original idiom to a burgeoning youthful audience with purchasing power. Folk in itself will not succeed today, it succeeded in IR' days.
  
  Today you have much more hip audience and they like exotic and straightforward tunes to vibe with. In our days in the 70s & 80s, we never knew dancing and dating ;--)
  
  Well, anyway I guess you, Shankar and Loy will get there to reach your young audience who is thirsting for exotica in music.
  
  If you like to hear some IR (Ilayaraaja) songs in Hindi: Most of them were I would say formula based tunes - sounded mechanical. But, these 3 stand out and are be a study in Indian compositions:
  
  1. Chahungo Tumko (a complete melody in Chhaila, subtle mix of jazz and pop tones - 1994)
  2. Jiske Sahaare (a well conceived melody in KamAgni - 1984 or so)
  3. Yeh Zindagi Gale Laga Le (Sadma - 1983. Brilliant orchestration and interludes.)
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 64.2.31.146) on: Sun Sep 2 20:00:46 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Ehsan,
  Just curious why did Shankar sing most of the songs in Aalavandhan? The 'azhagu' song would suit SPB or Hariharan better. Pls let Shankar not fall into the trap of singing all songs for his compositions like IR or even ARR initially!
  
  
• From: G MAURUTHI (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Sun Sep 2 22:28:29 EDT 2001
  
  GUYS DONT GET FOOLED
  
  THIS ISNOT EHSAAN AT ALL
  
  //When Iw as in Chennai for the final mix of Abhay I picked up one cd which ARR did for Mani Ratnams last film with Mhadavan. Ilove the song that ARR , Clinton and HariHaran sing it rocks !!!!!//
  
  AS OF HE HADNT HEARD IT EARLIER ITSELF...
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Sun Sep 2 23:53:21 EDT 2001
  
  Ehsaan,
  
  Good to see you taking active interest in this forum. Was just wondering how an established musician like you reacts to plagiarism in music. Inspiration is perfectly agreeable I guess, like your inspiration of The Corr's Paddy Mcarthy (in DCH, in woh ladki kahan number) or the 'kadavul paathi' song partly inspired from the score of Jerry Goldsmith for the 1986 movie The Link.
  
  We've in the past dug up loads of inspirations of other composers like ARR and Ilayaraja, all of which makes for very interesting insight in the cauldron of world music called Indian film music. Its actually the adaptation of those diverse genres of music into a very uique Indian form that really captivates me to keep digging.
  
  Great to have you in this forum.
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Ehsaan (@ 203.197.50.182) on: Mon Sep 3 00:46:24 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Karthik
  The celtic line in Woh Ladki Hai Kahan was composd by Shankar who while litereally fooling around on the keyboard came up with the line. Believe you me Shankar hasnt heard the Corrs or even heard of them . Celtic music is very repetitive it follows these set patterns and all within one pentatonic scale ( my wifes grandfather in England performs and composes Celtic music ).If you listen to Celtic music you will realise phrases repeat themselves over and over again. At least not like a certain composer did for a song called Kambhakt Ishq where and entire tune was lifted from the Afro Celt soundsystem Cd. Niether of us has seen the movie the Link now that you tell me that I shall try and get hold of aDVD of it.The point is Karthik is that music is just 8 notes and 12 noteschromatically phrases and sequences will always repeat one can find a bunch of tunes that sound like a bunch of other tunes.Yes there is some widespread so called " inspiration " that weve heard now and in the past. Its pretty interesting actually to find tunes which are common.
  
  
• From: Maran (@ 203.106.63.204) on: Mon Sep 3 02:32:28 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Ehsaan, it's really wonderful to have a "real" musican in the field participating in a forum such as this.
  
  Thanks for the insights you have provided. Talking about "inspirations" from other musicians, I would say that at times it's difficult not to make music that had alrady beenmade before since there are so many musicians and so little notes. Perhaps someone unknown musician somewhere in a remote part in Africa has came up with the same or similar tune ARR had used for "Muqabla"
  
  I heard your work in Mission Kashmir, and on initial hearings I felt there's a "I heard this tune beforer somewhere" and I told myself "Oh my god, not another Deva!"
  
  I later identified the songs - "Chupke" which sounded a lot like a song in Josh (Hai Mera Dil) in places with a little mix of "Chand Chupa" from Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam. As is with the case of Jerry Goldsmith's composition in Link.
  
  Sometimes you just can't help sounding like the next musician! I guess the S-E-L Trio have proven their worth in Dil Chahta Hai (the tittle song is superb) and with Aalavandhan. I see more complex music arrangement and better co-ordination. I wish you and your tean nates a good luck in HFM and TFM as I listen to both enthusiastically.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Sep 3 03:11:01 EDT 2001
  
  Maran:
  
  Hai mera dil was an inspired version of one of Gypsy Kings' numbers. Do you really think chupke sounds like that?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Mon Sep 3 05:51:30 EDT 2001
  
  >>The point is Karthik is that music is just 8 notes and 12 noteschromatically phrases and sequences will always repeat one can find a bunch of tunes that sound like a bunch of other tunes.<<
  
  Very true. As I'd already said before, it is going to be very difficult to come up with "original" melodies these days.
  Our recorded music library today is vast...we'll definitely find repetitions even though composers didnt mean it and copycats will have a field day !
  
  I think all this is a part of the great diaspora of today's musical world !
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.222) on: Mon Sep 3 10:41:32 EDT 2001
  
  ehasan sir, i read about your notings on spb. sir, spb is such a fantastic singer and has sung almost every type of songs in the singing dicitionary. He dominated the tfm from 1978-1997 and his voice is still the most sought after in the entire state of tamilnadu and outside. he is the most versatile singer ever born in India. He has entered in the guinness book of world record for recording maximum number of songs.His voice is god's gift to music industry in the entire world
  
  
• From: AV (@ 24.15.81.189) on: Mon Sep 3 13:07:54 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Mr. Noorani,
  
  It is a pleasure to see that you are taking time to answer queries of music loving fans. That sir is commendable.
  
  I loved both Mission Kashmir and Dil Chata Hai. DCH is my personal favourite since every song is melodious. Kudos for such novel music.
  
  Relatively speaking, Alavandhan did not measure up to that. However I went through your explanations for the fewer songs and I hope to enjoy the music after I see the movie. Thanks to Mr. Hassan to have introduced you in tamil.
  
  Sir, are you planning to do any other movies in tamil? It would be nice if you could release a full fledged melodious album in tamil like DCH.
  
  Thanks and Regards,
  AV
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on:
  
  >>>At least not like a certain composer did for a song called Kambhakt Ishq where and entire tune was lifted from the Afro Celt soundsystem Cd.
  
  Great. You are very open. Good to see your response like this. Generally, people in lime light either go on a rampage accusing every other person for his failure of become very submissive and do not commit them self to any thing. IR and ARR also fall in to the second category. They always know that some other MD had lifted their tunes, but they do not react. I personnaly, don't like this attitude. You, atleast, by mentioning Kambakt ishq song, have shown signs of having the guts to call a spade a spade. Good, afetr all, MDs also are music lovers like us. They too get cheated when some malpractice go around.
  
  

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