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P Susheela or Vani Jairam - who is the better singer?

Topic started by philosopher (@ 203.199.130.138) on Sat Dec 15 08:15:56 EST 2001.
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• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.178) on: Wed Dec 19 23:22:54 EST 2001
  
  Naaz Naaz...Amadhi amaidhi...(idha yaar solradhu!:))
  
  BTW, a slight digression...
  
  When I was reading something about KJ Yesudas somewhere he has said this when asked about how he prepares himself to sing a song:
  
  "A song is a composer's baby. When singing it I take into account the situation and the mood. I don't give it my variations unless asked to."
  
  -- When we all speak a lot about singers' creativity in delivering songs, I think as professionals they do have to strive within constraints like these! May be their main points of concentration are the mood and the situation - as Jesudas pointed out.
  
  Interestingly, the same was pointed out by Suseela also. She said it's a myth that we think the singers have a competitive spirit when singing duets whereas in actuality it's the MD who decides everything!
  
  SPB was known to have been asked by MSV to cut out certain improvisations that he did in the song "Nitham Nitham En KaNNodu Inbak Kanaa".
  
  In the same lines even IR does not seem to have given a lot of freedom to the singers when singing. In this respect, KVM was a little different. He allowed them a little lee way all the same, also seems to have suggested better improvisations, if any.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.178) on: Wed Dec 19 23:24:44 EST 2001
  
  A slight relief for Naaz Ahmed...
  
  The same Arasu has said this of Vani:
  
  "VeNNilavaik kuzhaithuch cheidhadhandrO VaaNiyin Kural?"
  
  -- A very novel and interesting metaphor, uh!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 20 00:09:36 EST 2001
  
  Karthi -
  
  Thanks. I was not saying that Arasu had no right to an opinion - but I found his analogy to be rather thoughtlessly sexist. He could have said Savitri and Manorama and I would have been happy! :-))
  
  Arasuvin uvamai arsuvukke velichcham (this is for the latter metaphor).
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 20 00:10:51 EST 2001
  
  BTW - I like them both - Savitri and Manorama! :-)
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Dec 20 03:54:48 EST 2001
  
  If the second comment is also from arasu, then we can easily conclude truth and stability in arasu's answers and statements!?!
  
  
• From: TNS (@ 203.199.248.129) on: Thu Dec 20 08:21:17 EST 2001
  
  For couple of years VAANI was giving interviews quoting how hurt she was over Arasu's remark.When one reader asked about this to Arasu he just consoled her by saying VJ has Nilaak kural...in sarcastic way....I have noted this sick minded KARTHI...When others criticise PS he sides her...But when one supports PS he switches the other side and sides the inferior ones...Sariyana Mana noyaali....
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 20 11:35:58 EST 2001
  
  Why give Arasu so much credit? He is just a tabloid journalist with a larger than life image of himself. He is no qualified musician or artiste to pass judgement on two fine voices. This much is true: Arasu is a jerk, and his following is made of the same. Let's dump him and move on.
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Thu Dec 20 21:28:00 EST 2001
  
  Who is a better singer ?
  PS for sure is a better singer by miles. Reason, all the training VJ underwent could not come to her help when rendering romantic duets or typical film songs (note, I am not bringing down film songs, no training can prepare u for playback singing). Her semi-classical singing is good, not great. For all the self-created aura and image she came to south with, her classical rendition is in no way superior to those belted out by PS, SJ, Lata or Asha.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.81.149) on: Thu Dec 20 22:28:17 EST 2001
  
  Observer:
  
  While I am a die-hard Lata fan (and of PS too), I beg to differ on typecasting VJ as a "bhajan singer". VJ has performed multiple feats in "aanathi neeyara". Listen to it (http://musicindiaonline.com -> telugu -> S -> swathikiranam.
  
  Her classical renditions in the South are excellent, no doubt about that. Though I firmly oppose the rather poor "monopoly theory" against Lata and Asha, primarily because VJs Hindi songs sound drab,accented to me (including those overhyped Meera bhajans), her songs from South Indian movies are truly moving and miraculous. I believe VJ did a fabulous job in "meghame meghame", "elluil engo","yaarathu sollamal" and "en kalyana vaibhogam". She has sung these with devotion and feeling, but no way do they sound like bhajans. She has expressed such rich emotions that even a non-Tamil like I am, has been moved. Indeed music of this superlative nature produced by VJ is beyond the barriers of language.
  
  VJ's breath control in "aanathi neeyara" is very great. Same about "neen kettal" from IO. Also, since you are saying she is a "bhajan singer", how about "thanimayil" and "naane naana"?. And wait, try "Happiest moment". Its there on http://musicindiaonline.com -> kannada -> Vani Jayaram. See how her voice does not lose an iota of its power and perfection at the highest pitch.
  And its an English song. No singer - Lata,asha,PS,SJ have such accurate English diction.
  
  For any north indian language, she is nowhere near the 2 sisters and many other singers (Suman K,Sulakshana Pandit,Dilraaj Kaur,Sudha Malhotra), but judging VJ by her South Indian songs, I feel she is INDIA'S GREATEST FEMALE SINGER.
  
  All IMVHO :-)
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.158) on: Fri Dec 21 01:01:51 EST 2001
  
  Hallo TNS, will you be my doctor? :))
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Fri Dec 21 01:31:08 EST 2001
  
  avr, 'nAnE nAnA' and 'thanimayil' are examples of horrible singing. Have you heard 'ingu vantha intha mayakkam' 'yeh hai rEshmi zulfOn' , those are pointers to how 'nAne nAnA' types of songs have to be sung. To me, VJ is a Bhajan singer. SPB wiped her off in ALL (note all) the duets they sang together. All those songs you have mentioned, could have sounded better with a better singer. Her marketability in the South is primarily due to the respectable image she has created for herself by singing semi-classical numbers. Little do people know that is because of her inability to sing other types of numbers.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.158) on: Fri Dec 21 01:34:37 EST 2001
  
  "her classical rendition is in no way superior to those belted out by PS, SJ, Lata or Asha"
  
  -- Observer! This is too much of a statement! There are instances when MSV has spoken very very high of VaniJayaram's ability to render classical compositions. UngaLukku pidikkalai-ndradhukkaaga, ishtathukku post panna vendaam, please!
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Fri Dec 21 01:42:40 EST 2001
  
  There are instances when MSV has spoken very very high of VaniJayaram's ability to render classical compositions
  I do not care about what MSV says.You should be concerned about what you think. Had she been such a great singer, she would not have 'slipped' while singing the swaras in 'seethApathE' in shankarabaranam. You have probably not heard other's classical numbers. So much of a hype has been made of VJ's classical abilities as though others have not even tried. Have you heard 'rE man sur mein gA' of Asha, 'manmOhana' of Lata or 'ithuvE vAzhvil AnanthamE' of PS , with PBS in 'mangayar uLLam mangAtha selvam'? The answer I am sure is a fat NO. Stop reacting instinctively and learn to listen to more music.
  
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.158) on: Fri Dec 21 01:49:24 EST 2001
  
  "SPB wiped her off in ALL (note all) the duets they sang together"
  
  -- The same SPB got wiped off in most of the songs he sang with Suseela. In fact he sounded horrible in all the duets from Siri Siri Moova. In short, Suseela voice-ku munnaala SPB kaanaama pOyittaar!
  
  So, observer, you see all this is relative. There is no reason for you to get so irked up when someone favors VJ.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.226) on: Fri Dec 21 01:56:40 EST 2001
  
  If you were not moved by "Ezhu SwarangaLukkuL" then Observer, NO DOUBT, you must be a hard-core stubborn nut - not ready to give VJ her due credits.
  
  (BTW, idhu namakkuLLa Observer, yaara paathu enna keLvi kettutteenga? Vaazhvil Aanandame-va naa ketturukka maatteena? Ellam neramdhaan!!!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:17:52 EST 2001
  
  Observer is entitled to his opinion. Ask him to listen to a Nitham Nitham Nellu Soru or a Masi Masa Kadaisile or a Konda Konallo and you will realise that he is a touch deluded. Sure, VJ excelled in semi-classical numbers - but that does not in any way detract from the fact that she was just a nuanced and effective in other more "populist" songs. And as for the "Seethapathe" statement - she has a national award to prove that she was on the mark - all the way!
  
  You can have your preference. That's absolutely fine. But it need not be bolstered by utter falsehoods and generalisations, Mr.Observer.
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Fri Dec 21 02:32:31 EST 2001
  
  The same SPB got wiped off in most of the songs he sang with Suseela
  Karthi, in addition to not having heard enough you lack the sense of discerning good from the bad. PS has been nowhere near SPB even in 'Ayiram nilavE vA'. She sounded like the kid learning classical music next door. 'Siri siri muvvA', are u trying to show that you listen to Telugu too. Cut the crap out and stop pretending. If you care to listen to PS of the 80s in Telugu, you will learn what off-key singing is all about. Unfortunately, for her, her partner used to be SPB and what a difference !!!! Karthi, nobody commented on 'ezhu swarangaLukkuL', she did a great job. Mine was a general observation, you have heard s-hit all of what Asha, Lata and PS have had to offer and therefore have no business to post here at all.
  
  Naaz, so you go by the National award , eh ?Your perceptions (like Karthi's) are so weak that you have to rely on somebody else's opinions. VJ goes off-swara (abaswaram) while doing the swara sancharam and if you have not realised it, kudos to your tastes !!!! I am sure VJ must be embarassed to have a fan like you.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:42:47 EST 2001
  
  Yep, she is delighted in a fan like me, Mr. Observer. And guess what: I love Abaswaram for VJ. Give me more.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:50:26 EST 2001
  
  Observer, you are so capable of objective analysis (no perceptions, you are the source man!), it really is so refreshing, keep them coming, "swara sancharam" and "kudos"...like, did you really look those words up? Wow, good for you, eh!
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Fri Dec 21 03:01:07 EST 2001
  
  Naaz, I pointed out a fact. You could only come up with a very impotent 'She won the National award' rebuttal. Had I been in your place, I would have gone back and listened to the piece again to verify as opposed to behaving like a smitten school kid, like you have demonstrated. Worship VJ as much as you like, but do not please do not project qualities non-existant in her singing.
  
  

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