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ARR's experiments

Topic started by yaaro (@ ac9f1293.ipt.aol.com) on Mon Aug 13 16:57:46 EDT 2001.
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some chaps seem to think ARR has done many experiments.please enlighten us!

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• From: yaaro (@ ac9f1293.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Aug 13 16:59:12 EDT 2001
  
  and for heaven's sake dont mention the same old amazing recording and use of synthetic sounds stuff.tell us something new.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ ac9f1293.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Aug 13 17:04:20 EDT 2001
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/7096.8954.21.56.32.html
  look here to see hoew IR's fans responded to same type of thread.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Mon Aug 13 18:02:14 EDT 2001
  
  look at the intention with which the topic was started
  
  //"Topic started by gundu (@ dot.icn.state.ia.us) on Tue Jun 27 21:56:32 EDT 2000.
  All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
  
  
  ob'ly ... not his expmnts. with ragas which must be in hundreds ... I am talking about more general and innovative experiments ...let me start in the thread ...
  
  "//
  
  I personally feel that u have started this in a sarcastic tone.
  
  Another ARR bash thread!
  
  1 more thing! I wanted to ask this in the IR experiment thread as to whats the defining line between
  
  doing one's duty and actually experimenting!
  
  from the traditional definition of chemistry lab experiments which means
  
  " doing practical tests to determine theoritical validity"
  
  we have streched the tangential meaning to say something like
  
  " doing something beyond the scope of a MD's job to satisfy his person craving for creativity, than what is actually required to impress people and sell CD's "
  
  if this is the definition of creativity then the grey areas are
  
  1) what is the min. required to impress people?
  2) what is the scope of a MD's job (so to determine when he has actually gone beyond)?
  
  underlying point:
  
  Do one's duty in a extremely creative field to set trends and keep people clinging on to the MD is transalated as experiments by IR fans.
  
  The word experiment is diluted in the thread link given above
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Mon Aug 13 18:17:11 EDT 2001
  
  the only things that the IR thread talked abt was
  1) slogams in songs
  2) counter-point teknik
  3) a telugu movie where old and new lyrics are intermixed
  
  atleast only 1 page shows up and thats all i can see..
  
  
• From: edakkan (@ a020-0218.snfc.splitrock.net) on: Mon Aug 13 19:00:35 EDT 2001
  
  His attempts to deviate from the traditional prelude-pallavi-interlude-charanam format and presenting the song as one chunk of melody. New sounds, instruments and well thought out percussion arrangement.
  
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 173.detroit-03-04rs.mi.dial-access.att.net) on: Mon Aug 13 22:44:07 EDT 2001
  
  One I can see is that using kids in chorus where they sing in a higher pitch(most of the times).I feel nobody other than ARR used kids in chorus so extensively.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Tue Aug 14 00:59:38 EDT 2001
  
  NCR
  
  i think in many songs kids were used by earlier MDs for chorus. (e-g) IR made kids' chorus as main voice in most of the Anjali songs, which is a kind of record. I could not recollect such instances by other MDs but feel such usages were there long back. But what i feel is:
  
  nobody other than ARR used kids in chorus to sing mostly in higher pitch.
  
  a quick thought about why ARR is fond of high pitches made me to say that the Sufi quawwali style adopted by him could be a major reason.
  
  
  
• From: g mauruthi (@ 203.197.156.66) on: Tue Aug 14 01:01:35 EDT 2001
  
  In "YELELO" made by Parthiban, ARR is fusing IRISH and TAMIl FOLK music together.
  
  In "Hojaye Hojayae" from Thenali, ARR used African beats and drums ( he actually learnt it ).
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ atlwebproxy1.core.hp.com) on: Tue Aug 14 01:24:46 EDT 2001
  
  mauruthi
  
  in "Hojayae Hojayae" is it african beats and drums or ceylonese beats and drums?
  
  
• From: :-) (@ bangalore-cache-1.cisco.com) on: Tue Aug 14 05:29:35 EDT 2001
  
  kupps,
  it's ceylonese...U can hear the beats in cricket grounds...
  
  maruthi,
  african, huh ?? :-))
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te083.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Aug 14 07:08:07 EDT 2001
  
  bharath, that thread runs into more than 2 pages.i have contributed a lot to that thread.so i know.
  it was maruthi's blanket statement that IR has not done any experiments that made me start this thread on this sarcastic tone.
  that apart, please come with valid points without beating about the bush.
  reg kids, ever listened to shanthi nilayam songs?
  one change which ARR made in handling kids were they were used to sing in sort of anglicized tamil which struck a chord with the convent going kids.
  well, even that was done by IR extensively in Anjali.
  yelelo-if you can sit listening to the song fully-well, you deserve an award for patience.absolutely pretentious sounding song.how long can one listen to someone singing yelelo again and again ? ARR( 'carnatic and irish folk(whatever it is) fusion)whose carnatic music composing capabilities is not a patch on IR's skill in this department.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te083.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Aug 14 07:21:10 EDT 2001
  
  bharath,
  i agree.
  the second page which had the max discussion is not opening in the link I gave you.
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/8954.21.56.32.html
  try this-you will recognise this
  page.the very posting is oh-so-unsarcastic posting from-who else-YOU!
  so, the moral of the story is, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones!
  scroll to the end of page to see my postings as to what i think are IR's experiments.
  and try to post something on similar lines.
  one eg I was expecting was ARR's use of choral voices for raasathi from Thiruda2-well that was already done by IR in yeriyile elandhamaram from karaiyellam shenbagapoo.you know something-that was a song which was set to tune-not lyric written for a tune.
  
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ spider-loh-te083.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Aug 14 07:24:44 EDT 2001
  
  .the very posting is oh-so-unsarcastic posting from-who else-YOU!
  should read as 'the very first posting....'
  also enjoy your rude rejoinder to someone who tried to reprimand you.
  
  
• From: lakshg (@ 216.64.203.139) on: Tue Aug 14 10:35:40 EDT 2001
  
  ARR defintely did some fine experiments in music. Have you guys ever had a chance to catch that 'owl hooting' sound(or is that chicken cackling) in the song "Ottakatha kattigo" from Gentleman? I don't know how he did it. But that was amazing.
  
  IR did his own experiments in songs. "Saidapettai super market irangu" in song "En kanmani"( no clue about the movie) and bus honks. That's an experiment blending the noise in a bus with that of a fine song.
  
  But IMHO, ARR deserves more than what he gets from this thread. I like both funky beats of ARR and the soothing melodies of IR.
  
  IR did some excellent experiments with his own rugged/not sweet voice. But hey! Leonard Cohen did that too. He doesn't have the sweetness of Art Garfunkel's sacharine tone. It's not the voice that matters but the dedication and the way he renders that touches the listener. "Janani ! Janani" is one materpiece.
  
  ARR is doing experiments with what he has. IR did his with what he had. End of the story.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Aug 14 10:45:09 EDT 2001
  
  Yaaro,
  ARR is kind of iconaclastic guy. He wanted to change the 'sound' of film music and he surely did. By experiments do you mean totally/universally new or just new to TFM. If it is just to TFM then there are quite a many.
  
  1) the way he composes itself is different. (rhythm comes first and then a melody is written for it)
  
  2) Going back to basics - using percussion mainly to orchestrate the rhythm and interludes. (TFM has developed into a different genre where by WCM type preludes and interludes began to be popular, lending itself very well for picturisation)
  
  3) Using sound effects as a feature of the song (not just part of the song). There are many examples eg. pudhu veLLai mazhai
  
  4) Completely abstaining from using strings (violins) as much as possible.
  
  5) Using synthesizers to orchestrate with different instruments.
  
  6) Using drum machines+native percussion combo
  
  (First few movies were purely synth/drum machine driven. The sound of these will be 'soft/smooth' compared to real instruments (when not recorded well). The audience really lapped it up).
  
  7) Staying away from traditional rhythm/beats and shopping around the world for new ones.
  
  There are other experiments which many of us dont like :) I wont mention them !!!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ oneway.convex.com) on: Tue Aug 14 11:34:06 EDT 2001
  
  //"the very posting is oh-so-unsarcastic posting from-who else-YOU! "//
  
  I was surprised when I did not find it! which was what made me notice that something was amiss! :-)
  
  I still enjoyed that one though....
  
  I still have ever feel "improvisation" is a better word "experiments" is misleading!
  
  I would be surprised to know if new things! were ever found in science through experiments.(experiments only led to accidental discoveries or simple verification)
  
  no! I dont agree with this topic either! I dont care if its ARR. I think it violates the fundametal objective of a creative person!
  
  
• From: one more arr fan (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Tue Aug 14 12:01:49 EDT 2001
  
  1st and fore most Arr did was he got in different Styles of music. There are many many. Few I remember of hand are Reggae, Ska (can anyone guess the song), Rap, Salsa, hard rock etc etc. He got nito Hindustani Fusion He was first to use artists regards less of where they come from. Like he cleared the wall that divided classical artists and light artist.
  Arr simply improved the recording quality (Yes yes!…I hear people say so what:)
  In a nut shell - ARR gave a paradigm shift to how music made in India.
  
  We can get results (Good or bad or right or wrong) only if we do experiments; Over all discussions (of course some of them are one sided) here clearly tells that ARR gets both kind of result --- this itself proves he does lots of experiments. Many of them succeed but some fail badly.
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Tue Aug 14 12:11:23 EDT 2001
  
  "Few I remember of hand are Reggae, Ska (can anyone guess the song), Rap, Salsa, hard rock etc etc."
  
  Oh really!I thought all his compositions were styled on pop-music or pop-based.:)
  
  
• From: KS (@ sreekanth.wcom.com) on: Tue Aug 14 12:21:28 EDT 2001
  
  I think "experiment" provides for a larger scope as it can include even failures and not-so-successful attempts whereas "improvisation" restricts to only successful attempts!!!
  
  "...violates the fundametal objective.." - speaks more than what the situation warrants...andha alavuku scene illai:-))
  
  
  

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