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Favorite analogies in TFM

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu May 7 17:55:45 EDT 1998.
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Hi guys,

I recently discovered this page and have been contributing extensively ever since. How about a permanent thread for discussing famous analogies: metaphors, similies, expressions, ironies, etc. in Tamil songs? For example: this would be a thread where I will share my favorite analogy for a smile, "Kaiyalavu Pazhutha Maathulai, Paalil
Neyalavu Padarntha Punnagai" from "Vizhiyilae Malarnthathu" written by Panchu Arunachalam.

As great as the discussion topics are in this site, I feel lyrics and song writers should get more attention.

A fan forever,
Udhaya
udhayak@yahoo.com

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• From: Kanchana (@ ww-to02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat May 16 10:40:16 EDT 1998
  
  mannAru:
  enakku Bharadhiyin kaNNammA kavidhaigaL avvaLavum uyir. chuttum vizhi kavidhaiyil Bharadhi sonna pudavai niRaththai neenga konjam veLIRa vaichitteenga :-)
  
  chuttumvizhich chudarthAn kaNNammA sooriya chandhirarO?
  vattak kariyavizhi kaNNamma vAnak karumaikollO?
  
  pattuk karuneelap pudavai padhiththa nalvayiram
  natta nadunisiyil theriyum nakshaththirangaLadi!
  
  Continuing on Bharadhi, how can we forget his varuNanai in kAtru veLiyidaik kaNNammA used in TFM?
  amudhootRinai oththa idhazhgaLum
  nilavooRith thadhumbum vizhigaLum
  paththu mAtrup pon oththa nin mEniyum
  
  Also, was the following used in TFM?
  ninnaiyE radhi endRu ninaikkiREnadi kaNNammA
  thannaiyE saki endRu saraNam eidhinEn
  ponnaiyE nigarththa mEni minnaiyE nigarththa sAyal
  
  Also, has his pAyumoLi nee enakku which is full of metaphors including veeNaiyadi nee enakku etc ever been used in TFM?
  
  
• From: shun (@ 174-188-62.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat May 16 15:56:36 EDT 1998
  
  Veenayadi Nee yenakku is used in Ezhavathu Manithan.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-to06.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat May 16 16:08:03 EDT 1998
  
  Shun:
  
  You are right!
  Thannilavu Thaeniraikka,
  Thaazhai Madal Neer theLikka,
  
  was indeed written by Mayavanathan
  
  Kannadhasanukku summa edhukku free-aa credit
  kudukkanum! Avar ezhudhaadha pattukku.
  
  One of my Favourite Song and an
  Exquisite Analogy for Tamizh ponnu:
  
  Thannilavu thaenriakka,
  Thaazhai maram neer theLikka
  Kanni magal nadai payandru sendraal
  Ilam Kaadhalanai kandu naani nindraal
  Naani nindraal
  
  Nenjam adhil alai ezhumba
  Thanjam malar adikalanga
  Anji anji idai thuvazha vandhaal
  Angu anbar ullam thanai ninaindhu nindraal
  Ninaindhu nindraal
  
  Thannilavu thaeniraikka . . .
  
  ViN alandha manam irukka,
  MaN alandha adi edukka,
  POn alandha udal nadunga vandhaal
  Oru poo alandha mugathai kandu nindraal
  Kandu nindraal
  
  Thannilavu thaeniraikka . . .
  
  POttirukka poovirukka,
  Pootha malar manam irukka,
  Kattilukkum miga nerungi vandhaal
  Iru kaN vizhiyil kavidhai kandu nindraal
  Kandu nindraal!
  
  Thannilavu thaeniraikka . . .
  
  
  
  I will get back later on the
  poN Ezhil pothadhu song later!
  
  mannAru:
  
  Summa, naan sonnadha "route"-la vidunga!
  
  Neenga sonna maadhiri enakkum songs ellam
  "Top of the head" la irukkadhu, instead
  "Top of the shelf" dhaan irukkum, so naan
  shelf-la thaedanum. :-)))
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ bat-50-207.tm.net.my) on: Sun May 17 04:03:58 EDT 1998
  
  UDHAYA:
  Sollathaan ninaikkiren is by Vali, not Kannadasan.
  
  KANCHANA:
  
  1."Thannilavu Theniraikka" is by Mayavanathan.
  
  2."Ponnezhil Poothathu Puthuvaanil" is the first song that Panchu Arunasalam composed. He had been assisting Kannadasan for a long time. When Kannadasan did not turn up on time for the composing of the songs in Saradha, Panchu Arunasalam volunteered. As he was composing the song Manamakaley Manamakaley vaa vaa, Kannadsan turned up and corrected the following line:
  
  "Kunamirukkum kulamirukkum Engal Vaasalil"
  Therefore this is not the first song of Panchu.
  
  When Kalangarai Vilakkam was in the offing an attempt was made to avoid Kannadasan totally. Vali and Panchu were brought in.(Music for this film was by MSV/TKR, but some records only mention the name of MSV.) It was in this film that Panchu gave his independent work. Ponnezhil poothathu is often quoted by Panchu in almost all his interviews.
  
  The real split between Panchu and Kannadasan started in Gowravam. The film was almost completed. But the song sequences were not pictured, as Kannadasan was touring in Malaysia. I think Hindu Rangarajan was involved in the movie. The producers were waiting in Tamilonadu while Kannadasan was holidaying in Malaysia. Pancu arunasalam heard of the delay and whispered his interest in composing all the songs for Gowravam so as to avoid further delay in releasing the film on time. But there are some in the cine film who are adamant on getting Kannadasan's songs. One is Rangarajan who told off Panchu in a diplomatic way that they do not mind waiting for Kannadasan's return, whatever the time period consumed.
  
  When Kannadasan returned Rangarajan told this move by Panchu, and kannadasan who was shocked remarked: "Naan Paalootti valatha Kili. Naalaikku athu ennoda kachery paada varutho?"
  Those who were around were impressed by that remark and requested Kannadasan to use this line as a pallavi for a scene that depicts a similar seperation scene in the movie. That is how the song
  
  "pallootti Valartha kili
  pazham koduthu paartha kili
  naan valartha pachai kili naalai varum kacherikku"
  
  3. The song "Thanneer suduvathenna" in Chiththi is another song which referes to Kannadasan. There is a line which goes:
  
  "Muthiah un vegamenna?
  Muthiah un Vegamenna?"
  This muthiah is Kannadasan.
  
  
  4.Panchu Arunasalam's masterpiece depicting the kaathal of the Pallava mannan Vijayavarman(?) and Sivakami:
  
  Sivagamee! Sivagamee! Sivagamee!
  
  Ponnezhil poothathu puthuvanil
  Ven pani thoongum nilavey nil!
  En manath thottathu vanna paravai
  senrathu engey sol! sol! sol!
  
  Thennai vanathinil ennai mugam thottu
  ennathai sonnavan vaadugiren
  ennathai sonnavan vaadugiren
  unniru kan pattu pun patta nenjathil
  un pattu kaippada padugiren
  
  munnam en ullathil mukkani chakkarai
  alli kodutha pon maadamengey
  alli kodutha maaadamengey
  kinnam nirambida sengani charunna
  mun vantha sevvanthi maalai engey?
  
  PENN:Ponnezhil poothathu thalaiva vaa
  venpani thoovum iraiva vaa
  un manath thottathu vanna paravai
  vanthathu ingey vaa vaa vaa
  
  thennavan manrathu senthamizh pan kondu
  vanthathu pon vandu paadikkondu
  vanthathu ponvandu paadikkondu
  mannavan ullathu sontham vanthalenru
  senrathu poothenral aadikkondu
  
  ennudal enbathu un udal enrappin
  ennidam kobam kolluvatho
  onril onraanappin thannai thanthaanappin
  unnidam nnanenna solluvatho?
  
  Ponnezjil poothathu..
  
  
  LATEST
  
  In the film President Panchacharam Kannadasan has given another description by Kathalarkal as follws:
  
  AAN:
  yaro nee yaro
  Perazhagu enbathun ero
  sevvaanum thenum siru meenum maanum
  vadivaagiya penno?
  
  PENN:
  maano sentheno
  am mangai oviyam thano
  sevvaazhai polum kani paavai ingey
  vanthathuvum veeno?
  
  AAN:
  marathu kombiley pazhutha maangani
  madiyil veezhnthatho ingey-oru
  vaarthai sonnaval engey?
  pon vanna kovaiye anna paavaiyey
  marainthu nitpathen angey?
  veli vanthu kaanuvaai ingey
  
  From the film Naney Raja:
  
  Sinthu paadum thenral vanthu
  inbam ponga veesuthey
  ninru aadum mullaiyodu
  konjum kaathal pesuthey
  
  velli panth poley vaanil
  thingal vanthu kaayuthey
  alli kandu inbam kondu
  anbu thenil thoyuthey
  
  vinmeengal yaavum sernthu
  unnai kaanath theduthey
  mannathi mannan ummai kaana vanthu kooduthey
  
  
  ennulla veenayil ezhunthidum naathamey
  ponnaana vaazhvil inbam ponga vantha geethamey
  
  kannal suvai theney
  enrum neeyey enthan oviyam
  ennillaatha inbam nalkum neeyey enthan kaaviyam
  
  Another song from Naaney Raaja:
  
  Manthamaarutham thavazhum
  chandran vaaniley thigazhum
  intha velaiyey inbamey
  egaanthamaana intha velaiyey inbamey
  
  vanthu vanthu veesum mullai
  manathukkethu eedey illai
  senthamizh pennai poley
  sirikkuthey ithennam paalai
  
  Kan padaitha payanai naaney
  kandukkonden unaal maaney
  pennuruvaai vanthen munney
  pesum deivam neeye Kanney
  pon porul yaavum thunbamey unnodu pesum
  intha velaiyey inbamey
  
  vizhithu ennai paarppathaaley
  vibaram onrum purinthen illai
  pazhutha maambazhathai kandu
  pasithavan kaathiruppathillai
  karuthai kollai kondaai vaazhviley
  unnodu pesum intha velaiyey inbamey..
  
  Kannadasan in Michaya Thamboolam:
  
  Nethiyiley oru kunguma pottu then poley
  kattiya koonthalil malligai mottu meen poley
  Vettiya maambazha kattiyil seitha poo poley
  thottathum kaiyil ottuthu vannam paal poley
  
  kanni paruvam thullum azhagey aanantham
  inba kalaiyum sugamum penmayileythaan aarambam
  
  Still another song from the same film:
  
  Paavadai thaavaniyil paartha uruvamaa-ithu
  poovadai veesi vara pootha paruvamaa
  paaladai ponra mugam maariyatheno
  pani pola naanamathai moodiyatheno
  
  thathi thathi nadappatherkey solla vendumaa-nee
  muthu muthaai sirippatharkey paadam venumaa
  Muthamizhey mukkaniyey moga vannamey
  muppozhuthum eppothuthum namathu sonthamey..
  
  Kannadsan in Baley Pandiya:
  
  Semmambazham poley mugam sivanthuvittathadi
  konda mounathinaaley ithazh kaninthuvittathadi
  sugam oorivittathadi
  suvai meerivittathadi
  Nenjil narillaatha naanam inru engu vanthathadi?
  
  Matravai Pinnar....
  
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun May 17 10:28:53 EDT 1998
  
  Shun:
  Thank you for the corrections and the additional information on Bharadhi's veeNaiyadi nee enakku. Bhaskar, thanks for your help re thaNNilavu thEniRaikka.
  
  Manisekaran:
  Thank you for flavoring the discussion with those anecdotes and background. Please continue your sEvai as we continue to discuss some unique songs.
  
  Back later....
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ wmu-51-39.tm.net.my) on: Sun May 17 11:32:04 EDT 1998
  
  Another super varunanai of the kaathali by Kannadasan:
  
  Ponnenrum poovenrum thenenrum solveno
  Pennai paarthaal sollath thonrum
  innum noorayiram
  
  Moonru kanichaaru onraaka pizhinthu
  moga rasam konjam alavodu kalanthu
  Bothai mathuvaga ponmeni malarnthu
  poovai vanthaal pennaaga piranthu
  
  Kodai vasanthangaL kuLirkkaalam enRu
  Odum paruvangaL kaNa nEram ninRu
  kathal kavi paadum avaL mEni kaNdu
  kaaNak kaN vENdum oru kOdi inRu
  
  kanni ilLang koothal kalyaaNap paLLi
  kaNkaL oLi veesum athikaalai veLLi
  thenRal viLayaadum avaL pErai cholli
  inbam avaL innum aRiyaatha kalvi
  
  Two more for Suratha Fans:
  
  1. Sudar minnal kaNdu thaazhai malarvathu pOley
  unnai kaNdu uLLam magizhnthEney..
  konji pesum kiLiyey nallinbam tharum jothiyey
  maaney malarinum melliyathu kaathaley..
  
  2. nilavin nizhalo nin vathanam
  puthu minnum kaNnadiyo minnum kaNNam
  malayil piRavaa maamaNiyey-naan
  koiyum koiyaak kaniyey
  
  3. From Ku Sa Krishnamoorthy
  
  Athavan Kaana Thamarai pOl
  Kulir alli kaaNa ambuli pOl
  maamayil kaaNa thogayai pOley Aadiduthey manamey
  (vaazhvin jeevan kaathaley)
  
  4. Another one from Kaviyarasu
  
  Neelak kadalalai Odi varuvathil
  nenjai paRikoduthEn-ingu
  kOdi eNNangal Odi varuvathai yaaridam poi uraippEn?
  
  (Thenral urangida koodumadi from Sangali Thevan)
  
  5. Kannadasan in Andavan Kattalai
  
  Naanaliley kaaleduthu nadanthu vantha penmayithu
  naanamennum thenraliley thottil kattum menmai ithu
  
  6. Kathali varunanai by Kannadasan in Patha Kanikkai:
  
  Poojaikku vantha malare vaa
  boomikku vantha nilavey vaa
  pennenru eNNi pEsamal ninRa
  pon vaNNa mEni silaiye vaa..
  
  kOdai kaalathin nizhaley nizhaley
  konjam konjam arukil vaa
  aadai kattiya rathamey rathamey
  arugil arugil naan varavaa?
  
  Sekka chivantha ithazho ithazho
  pavaLam pavaLam sembavaLam
  thEnil ooRiya mozhiyil mozhiyil
  malarum malarum poo malarum...
  
  MeeNdum SanthippOm, athuvarai
  anbu vaNakkangaL.
  
  
• From: G. Varghese (@ 142.194.172.233) on: Sun May 17 12:19:24 EDT 1998
  
  Kanchana:
  "Ninnaiye Rathi Endru Ninaikkirenadi Kannammaa.."
  was used in the film KANNE KANI AMUDHE, sung by
  K.J. Yesudas. In fact KJY has recorded a good
  number of Bharathiar song for various Tamil
  movies. "Veenaiyadi Nee Enakku.." in EZHAVATHU
  MANITHAN was also sung by him.
  
  

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