Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.47)
on: Wed Jul 31 21:06:04 EDT 2002
sk,tnx for the rudraveeNai update.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.84)
on: Wed Jul 31 21:46:53 EDT 2002
mandiram seems to be a beautiful blend of khamas,bhAgeshri and shades of jayamanOhari(BTW,Ram tnx. for introducing this rAgA to me-didn't know of it till now) as well.But it seems to be ravichandrika/rAgeshri (but of course has Pa)predominantly.What do u think?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Wed Jul 31 23:36:27 EDT 2002
sindhuja - indha ragam laam kilo enna vilai :-)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.161.46)
on: Thu Aug 1 01:30:03 EDT 2002
Hi Guys, been busy with mundane stuff like saving my job and business and moving and such ... so lost track of keeping up with the good stuff here. Was suprised to see all the talk about Sundar - paathaaka .... someone else. Hey, Ragapravaham Sundar. Your postings are very informative and will help us out a lot. Over time the people in the group have developed a camaraderie like a friendly chai kadai arattai sangam. Novices and experts freely talk without worry. It will be great if you can buy into that cordial spirit - it is a lot of fun.
Hey Sindhu, thanks for diligently noting down the songs .. lots of information to ponder once things settle down:)
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Thu Aug 1 03:06:20 EDT 2002
thanx for all these real good info by Sindhuja, Ragapravaham Sundar, SK, Ram etc.
lets maintain the usual friendly environment for discussion which has made this forum one of the best in this site.
Ragapravaham Sundar: we are really happy to have u here and that u r sharing such a lot of good info. i am no expert, but the Bhairavi discussion was started bcos IR, the Maestro that he is, has composed in most of the complicated raagas, but he has left out some superb Raagas like Bhairavi, Sahana etc.
So it is perfectly natural for us to discuss about this. I feel we don't need to compare any other MD with any other Raaga for this.
Also, at times we may give examples which need clarification, but that cannot term them as unwanted in any way.
Really great to have an expert like u here, so pls continue to share ideas:)
Ram:
>>BTW ungaLukku yaarachum Ravi nu friend irunthaa avar kelambumbothu intha raagam paadalam (Bye-Ravi aachi!!!!)<<
super kadi....kadichu kodharite paa;-)
cheers
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Thu Aug 1 03:23:07 EDT 2002
sindhuja,
tnx a lot for the session inputs. the only problem is...it contains lot of new info and new raagas. understandingkku Konjam time vendum;-)
cheers
- From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ )
on: Thu Aug 1 07:17:52 EDT 2002
Satsona, Sundar Atre,
Thanx for the compliments. Even I am not an expert. It is because of the amazing creativity of the music stalwarts right from Pap Sivan to IR
that one could develop a keen interest in this.
Sk, Ram's list definitely contained some songs which didn't have the slightest Bhairavi touch. When I wanted to check up once again, it was deleted in haste. Again, Udalukku uyir kaval...in from Manappanthal and MSV/TKR are the composere and not KVM. By the time you should be in a position to guess the MD of a song by its very structure.Shouldn't you? The song is Hindustani Yaman based. KVM and Yaman are poles apart.
- From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ 61.11.81.80)
on: Thu Aug 1 07:33:36 EDT 2002
I request this site administrators not to delete postings particularly from this page this fast when I see so many stuff still left undeleted in so many other pages right from 1996.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.181.73)
on: Thu Aug 1 08:00:07 EDT 2002
MS, :-)
Even I didn't know of jayamanOhari till Ram brought it up.Then I checked up in a book and found out-ArO-abhOgi,avarO-Sriranjani
R.Sundar,I checked out the OR,no posting seems to be deleted.....
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 1 08:33:24 EDT 2002
R Sundhar:
Thanx for the info.
Sorry.. I confused that song with 'endha oor endravanE'.
By the way, can you tell me the ragas of
kAtru veLiyidai kaNNammA (kappalOttiya thamizhan)
and
rAdhA kAdhal varAdhA (nAn avanillai)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Thu Aug 1 09:02:54 EDT 2002
sk,
from our great MS I came to know that KAtru veLiyidai is mixture of Mohanam and Mand
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 1 09:21:50 EDT 2002
Ram:
A friend of mine says it cannot have mAnd because
there are no high frequency movements! Is this
a necessity for mAnd? I hope someone can clarify
this.
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 1 09:24:24 EDT 2002
Ram:
It is such a sweet song.. and I hope someone
can fix its raga precisely.
- From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ 210.210.35.94)
on: Thu Aug 1 09:54:56 EDT 2002
Sk,RAm,
Kattru veliyidai is a simple mohanam.Don't get unnecessarily confused.
Radha kadhal varadha is from Naan avanillai by Msv and the song is based on Ravichandrika.
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 1 10:25:17 EDT 2002
Sundar:
Are you sure that it is mohanam?
Here is something I posted a few weeks ago...
The song kAtru veLiyidai kaNNammA (kappalOttiya thamizhan)
is mentioned as mohanam in the tfm page raga list.
But is that right? I was trying to find the notes.
The line
amudhootrinai oththa idhazhgaLum seems to go as
ssmmm mm gmmg
and so m1 seems to come in. Can someone confirm if
I am right? So what is the raga of this song?
- From: IR (@ 4.64.198.150)
on: Thu Aug 1 10:48:32 EDT 2002
sk, you are right about Ma1 note. Ma1 is used a lot! IMHO, this song is based on multiple ragas -I would say the MD probably had a sketch of mohanam in his mind for this song and then added other swaras and phrases to embellish the already beautiful melody! What a song!!!!!!!
Notes in this song include : Sa ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Ma2 Pa dha2 Ni3 Sa ( Not in any particular order). Traces of ragas (this is what I could make out) include mohanam , maand, hameer kalyaNi. (Solid examples of maand: Enai vettru ninaivindri thaettriye…. and “uyir theeyinile valar…” ; Hameer KalyaNi /Behag– humming after “nee ena thinnuyir kaNNamma”... Just my opinion!
- From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242)
on: Thu Aug 1 11:22:07 EDT 2002
its definitely not simple mohanam. we discussed this song quite sometime back. In the charanam there are Maand usages as IR has mentioned above and one can also get a feel for other shankarabharanam janyas. I dont think the MD composed this song with any particular raga in mind. To me it sounds like an instinctive composition :-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.36)
on: Thu Aug 1 13:14:37 EDT 2002
hi folx!Today,it was HarikAmbodi by Priya sisters.
Abt. the rAgam-it seems Venkatamahi first nemd it as HarikedAragowLa(but dunno how it became harikAmbOdi later),and is called kAmOdini in yakshagAnA.
1 very interesting thing abt. yedukula kAmbodi-1 day,when Sri tyAgarAjA was resting in his house,a yerukula(i.e milk-maid(the yAdavAs sect))sang this rAgA as she was selling milk and He happened to hear this.He thought that this sounded like kAmbodi,but was not pure kAmbodi.He then went to shyAmA shAstri and narrated this.Then this rAgA came to be called "yedukula kAmbodi".
Similarly,a tribal hunter is supposed to have sung "chenchukAmbOdi" first.
the songs-1)taruNi-varNam in kAmbodi,2)Sri vAtApi-sahAna,3)rAmaneeve-nArAyaNi,4)unnadiye-bahudAri,5)rAgasudha-AndOlika(if u guys remember,I'd said that Sanjay had sung this too,but as a janyam of kharaharapriyA.IR,can u pl. repeat all the criteria for fixing the mELam of a janyam?)6)moorutheyenu-khamAs,7)rArArAjeeva-mOhanam,8)akhilANdeshwari-dwijAvanti,9)bhOgindra shAyi-kundalavarALi,10)rAgam tAnam pallavi in harikAmbOdi,with swarams in harikAmbOdi,sAmA and nAgaswarAvaLi,11)oothukkAdu-pArvai oNdre pOdume-surutti.
- From: IR (@ 4.64.198.150)
on: Thu Aug 1 13:35:36 EDT 2002
Sindhu - hats off to ur efforts and sincerity ;-) excellent info on raga origin!
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.56)
on: Thu Aug 1 13:53:00 EDT 2002
:-) IR,tnx.,but en kELvi-kku badil-e illaye?
- From: IR (@ 4.64.198.150)
on: Thu Aug 1 14:02:48 EDT 2002
would send an email!!! inga yaaravadhu kalla veesa poraanga :)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.56)
on: Thu Aug 1 14:08:47 EDT 2002
IR,but to talk abt. "criterion for a rAgam to be a janyam of a particular mELam" isn't too much digression considering all that we've been discussing so far,right? NEways,if u think it's "unsafe" ( ;-) )to talk of even something like this here,u cud pl. send me a mail.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Thu Aug 1 15:56:24 EDT 2002
IR,
send that mail to me also:-)
- From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76)
on: Thu Aug 1 15:59:32 EDT 2002
yammA thAyE isairasigai. if you have something informative please dont hesitate posting it here. if you think that would be a big digression, please consider sending bulk mail as does ram. please.
- From: IR (@ 4.64.198.150)
on: Thu Aug 1 17:13:04 EDT 2002
hihi and Ram - what Sindhu wants is a repetition of what has already been posted a couple of times. otherwise no hesitation to share any kind of useful information :-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Thu Aug 1 17:19:59 EDT 2002
IR,
enakkum athu info thellethu so appadiye ingaiyum thatti vudunga
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 1 18:52:15 EDT 2002
IR and vijay:
Thanks for the raga details for kAtru veLiyidai
kaNNammA.
Folks:
As hihi:-) (is it aruL?) has said, please, please,
post all the material here itself.. even if it
amounts to long postings. Material sent via
individual mails have the habit of getting lost
whereas material posted here remains in the archives.
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