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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: interpreter (@ 4.3.119.204) on: Sat Dec 20 16:02:20 EST 2003
  
  It's true that Vedha copied quite a bit from HFM, but he did it without any pretense and was almost 100% faithful to the original at all times. That's "respectful plagiarism", almost bordering on obsequiousness (musically speaking), with no intent to deceive or project himself more capable than he is. No snatch-and-grab two lines from an old Tamil song, two lines from an already flogged Hindi song, four lines from a pop song and interludes from an obscure song, with some personal band-aids, like Deva. Vedha also was the MD for some Tamil remakes of Hindi movies, so it was only natural for the songs to travel with the movie. I listed the track mapping between "Woh Kaun Thi" and "yaar nee" in the PS website thread. In all likelihood, YN is a remake of WKT. (Have seen WKT, but not YN.) Vedha's imported songs are numerous, but here are some songs that make many people do a double take.
  
  sau bar janam lenge (Ustadon ke Ustad, Ravi) = oaraayiram paaravaiyile (vallavanukku vallavan, Vedha)
  tujhe pyar karte hain karte rahenge (April Fool, Shankar-Jaikishen) = naan malaroadu thaniyaaga aen ingu ninRaen (iru vallavargaL, Vedha)
  sau saal pehle mujhe tumse pyar tha (Jab Pyar Kisise Hota Hai, Shankar-Jaikishen) = manam ennum maedai maelae (vallavanukku vallavan, Vedha)
  
  
• From: interpreter (@ 4.3.119.204) on: Sat Dec 20 16:05:31 EST 2003
  
  *oaraayiram paarvaiyile
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 68.58.124.250) on: Sat Dec 20 18:37:28 EST 2003
  
  "Nerukku Naer Nindru Paarthathu Paravai" another lift of Vedha from HFM.
  Can u guess who lifted from Vedha to use for Jeans song "Varaiyo Thozhi"????????
  
  
• From: interpreter (@ 4.3.119.204) on: Sat Dec 20 20:06:17 EST 2003
  
  I don't know if I would call "vaaraayo thozhi" a lift. ARR has always maintained that R.D. Burman is one of the MDs who greatly influenced him. In an interview (can't recall when and where), ARR said that it was his preoccupation with "o mere sona re" from Teesri Manzil by RDB, that made him come up with "vaaraayo thozhi", whose first line has a striking similarity to that of "o mere sona re". The rest of the song resembles the "original" only in spirit, not in the notes. Anybody who makes music will tell you that this is a very common phenomenon, that of the mind subconsciously traversing down a musical alley where somebody has boldly gone before! TFM is ridden with such instances.
  
  Teesri Manzil songs were such a rage that they spread their tentacles even into TN. For some reason, out of all the chartbusters from TM, it was "o mere sona re" that played at least once every day on the radio, and was a craze. (Wonder if "edhirigaL jaakkirathai" was a remake of TM.)So, if you lived in TN and listened to the radio a lot, chances are that you have heard this song countless times. I am sure ARR was no exception.
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 68.58.124.250) on: Sun Dec 21 11:16:04 EST 2003
  
  One more inspiration of Rahman from RD Burman. Just the beats:
  
  Listen to "Ek Ladki Ko Dekha" by RDB
  
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/H000001.html
  
  Listen to "Swasame" Thenali by ARR
  
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000270.html
  
  
• From: cool headed music lover (@ 219.65.116.162) on: Mon Dec 22 02:03:10 EST 2003
  
  that is a pathetic example!!....anyway....lol....there are people moe creative than rahman and burman!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Tue Dec 23 13:34:25 EST 2003
  
  I'm not sure whether someone mentioned this before (the archives have grown so much since I last visited:-))
  
  A recent Harris Jayaraj song which goes something like
  'EdhO ondRu, EdhO ondRu unnaikkEtpEn, illai endRAl, illai endRAl uyir thuRappEn'
  is a straight lift of a Xmas song (I'm not able to catch the lines, I think it's something like 'God lets you marry gentlemen'). Due to the season I'm hearing this song often -at malls, players of colleagues etc...even aired on the FM radio 'Smooth Jazz V98.7' in Detroit':-))
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44) on: Tue Dec 23 14:20:07 EST 2003
  
  eden,
  
  r u still around?....what a pleasant surprise!!!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Dec 23 22:16:14 EST 2003
  
  eden:
  
  Thats 'God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen' and has many versions by umpteem people from Bing Crosby to Barenaked Ladies!
  
  It does sound like the prelude in Edho Ondru and has some pieces inside which sound similar, but I'm not able to find a direct lift anywhere. Anyway, let me listen to it a few more times!
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Wed Dec 24 04:57:00 EST 2003
  
  The first lines of "Collegukku porom" are direct lifts of "Kamban engu ponaan.Shelley....." from the movie "Jaathimalli by Maragathamani!
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Wed Dec 24 04:59:31 EST 2003
  
  The movie I am referring to is KOVIL by HJ!
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Wed Dec 24 05:04:19 EST 2003
  
  The movie I am referring to is KOVIL by HJ!
  
  
• From: Maverick (@ 12.20.58.68) on: Wed Dec 24 05:28:26 EST 2003
  
  Pradeep
  I saw your post in 3 threads so far. Did you post this in ARR vs HJ thread also ? I will let you know if there are some more threads where you can post this.
  
  
• From: ir (@ 195.93.32.11) on: Wed Dec 24 12:31:45 EST 2003
  
  rahman copy illayaraja konjam sangitam song from agny parvai to compose is anarkaly song for kangalal keithu sei!!!!
  keep it up raaja epovai adichitarru daa doyyyyyy!!!
  
  
• From: Sripathy Ramesh (@ 203.193.155.98) on: Fri Dec 26 02:14:31 EST 2003
  
  Any one heard the song 'Maragatha Mazhaithuli' from "Power". I heard it in the trailer. In the anupallavi of the song, you can see the resemblance of the saranam in 'Sundari' song from "thalapathi".
  
  I think both the songs are set in Raag Kalyani and they have used an accidental Ga 1. Surely, I think vidyasagar was inspired from that Sundari song.
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 61.11.75.120) on: Fri Dec 26 06:54:57 EST 2003
  
  the chart buster 'manmatha Raasa' -the pallavi part is strikingly similar to " aatha aathorama priya' from PayanangaL mudivathillai.
  
  
• From: Ash (@ 203.199.42.195) on: Fri Dec 26 09:56:29 EST 2003
  
  Even in "Enna Vilai Azhage" of Kadhalar dinam ,the pallavi is a straight lift from "Thamgapadhakkathin melae"(Sivaji Ganesan).It cane be termed as a sophiticated version with lively BGM.
  
  
  
• From: varsh (@ 66.215.97.242) on: Sat Dec 27 11:00:54 EST 2003
  
  does the azhagiya koonthal ( jhoot- VS) song music start simillar to senthamiz naatu thamizachi song from one satyaraj ( ARR ) movie ?
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 68.58.124.250) on: Sun Dec 28 11:46:36 EST 2003
  
  One more VS inspiration
  
  "Muthumuthaa Pacharisi kuthathaan vennum" Anakkili song turned in to fast paced "Katabomma" song in Joot.
  
  
• From: msv (@ 195.93.73.8) on: Sun Dec 28 14:04:08 EST 2003
  
  yedho ondro humming is similar to msv poomalai song humming in ooti varai uravu!!! chek it out!!
  
  
• From: msv (@ 195.93.73.8) on: Sun Dec 28 14:04:51 EST 2003
  
  yedho ondru is from e20u18 music by isaipuyal arr
  
  
• From: Kum_Laden (@ 64.229.193.158) on: Sun Dec 28 15:42:23 EST 2003
  
  Hey, I find
  
  Yetho ondru Yetho ondru unnai kaepaen song from Laysa Laysa similar to
  Jingle Bell Jingle Bell Jingle all the way!
  
  ithu epidi?! :)`
  
  
  
• From: paran (@ 202.172.56.67) on: Sun Dec 28 23:37:06 EST 2003
  
  aaha..Kummy....yeppadiyappa ithuyellam
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44) on: Mon Dec 29 12:12:09 EST 2003
  
  A rare but glaring copy(?):
  
  Y'day i saw a telegu movie "Naari Naari nadamula muraari" acted by baalakrishna (i guess its a 80s movie). Its MD is KVM. In the movie all songs are of vice nice tunes. KVM has used the award-winning(?) his tune "thirupparangundRaththil nee siriththaal murugaa thiruththani malai meedhu aedhirOlikkum". My room mate said that this tune is a re-use of his(KVM) own tune of NTR in 60s, coz the movie is also a kind of rehash of that old NTR movie.
  
  The copy part I am going to mention is a shocking one. There is a song in almost ditto tune of "naan thaedum sevvandhi poovidhu; oru naaL paarththu andhiyil pooththadhu" (in HindoLam raagam) by IR in thamizh film called "Dharmapaththini". I dont know who has used the other's tune (is it IR used the KVM tune or viceversa). I don't know when the film "dharmapaththini" and this telegu "naari naari nadamula muraari" came. The telegu song was a duet, very well sung by SPB and PS (but it did not have the prelude aalaapana which the dharmapaththini song had in the voice of IR).
  
  can anyone throw light on this?
  
  
• From: Teja (@ 63.201.144.200) on: Mon Dec 29 16:07:39 EST 2003
  
  Kupps,
  
  yes, KVM used IR's tune in the song 'em vaano tarumutunnadi' in Naari Naari Naduma Muraari.
  This is not the first time. KVM copied IR's rehashed "pani vizum malarvanam " (Ninaivellaam Nithyaa) for the film Mukku Pudaka.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.44) on: Mon Dec 29 18:37:47 EST 2003
  
  oh! is it...its a news to me.
  thanks Teja.
  
  It is indeed a tribute to IR by a great MD.
  
  

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