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Illayaraja or Rahman ?

Topic started by Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on Thu Dec 7 09:06:29 EST 2000.
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waiting for ur answers :)

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• From: vijay (@ 203.197.138.23) on: Fri Feb 16 07:03:36 EST 2001
  
  its rubbish to compare a everest with little mount but i didnt under estimate rehman. arr is a growing personality and IR has already reached a peak there is no point in comparing. If your people start comparing the music then ARR is a big Zero in rerecording he still have to improve more in that particular field you cannot have a illayarja the great maestro who dominated the field for 20 years and still doing well in this competitive field. there is only one person who will show a scene without dialogue but with good music he is none other that illayaraja
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.239) on: Fri Feb 16 08:30:36 EST 2001
  
  peeps:
  
  sadha, vengayam, nei, etc..etc are varieties of dosas....
  
  naakula thanni oorume...
  
  
• From: Arasu Dakshin (@ 207.14.54.15) on: Fri Feb 16 09:56:17 EST 2001
  
  Ayya,
  
  Coimbatore-le Gowrishanker-innu Oru Hotel-la Poiy "Sooda Idly-Vada Sambhar" and "Masal Dosai" Saapituvitu, Sooooda Oru Tumbler Coffee Kudicha Ullagamae Marundhu Poagum... ... Enna Solreenga..
  
  Adhukapuram Ragam Theatrela "Moondram Pirai" Paakanum...
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Feb 16 10:05:46 EST 2001
  
  Arasu:
  
  I completely agree with u. How many days I could have passed like that. My home town is CBE...Ninavootiyathukku mikka magilchi anbare!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Feb 16 10:10:11 EST 2001
  
  Venki:
  
  IR in perumai solli maalathu. Naanum kojam ungali polathaan. IR pattu illama en day odathu. Innakku kalaile Siraichalai song ketten....Mannan koorai Selai...I love that song like anything. I donno why!
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Fri Feb 16 10:35:53 EST 2001
  
  No doubt IR is a great music composer. But, I think that not all his works , especially rerecordings are exceptional. He has also composed many ordinary and below ordinary songs and rerecordings. Nevertheless, he has scored musics for films like nayagan, anjali, and so many movies for which the music is beyond comparable. Comparing ARR and IR is foolishness.
  One point is ARR has been able to reach many people all over india and in many parts of world, which IR still could not achive fully.
  
  Many india know ARR as genius that IR( who actually is a proven genius) ARR is like a brilliant student. IR is an exceptional proffessor. Both have got + and -. Both were/are the best in their times.
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Feb 16 18:37:18 EST 2001
  
  Mr. Karthik,
  
  IR and ARR are not Idly and Dosa. They are cooks who make those Idlies and dosas we are comparing their Idlies and dosas and not IR and ARR personally.
  IR's music is like idly and dosa made by our amma
  and ARR's idly and dosas are idlies made by Restaurants.
  Which one do u like??????
  Its ofcourse ur choice!!!!
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Feb 16 18:46:51 EST 2001
  
  Mr.SK,
  Please read this
  http://www.raajangahm.com/buda/magyar.html
  This shows how famous IR is in Hungary.......
  U know the real credit is not a NRI living in US praising ARR's song, But a Foriegner praising our Music Director's Song........
  This link contains the Poem written by an hungarian poet on illayaraja's composition!!!!
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Feb 16 18:47:00 EST 2001
  
  Mr.SK,
  Please read this
  http://www.raajangahm.com/buda/magyar.html
  This shows how famous IR is in Hungary.......
  U know the real credit is not a NRI living in US praising ARR's song, But a Foriegner praising our Music Director's Song........
  This link contains the Poem written by an hungarian poet on illayaraja's composition!!!!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Feb 16 19:15:52 EST 2001
  
  Arun:
  
  Lines from Mahakavi's poem fits to IR. From some corner of my mind;
  
  Pira naatu nallarignar saathirangal Tamizh Mozhiyl Peyarthal vendum (Certainly Not what Deva Does)
  Iravatha pugaludaya noolgal thamizh mozhyil Iyattral Vendum (What IR does)
  
  Maraivaaga Namukkulle pazhaimai pesuvathil oru payanumillai
  
  Thiramaana Pulamaiyenil athai Velinaator Vanakkan Cheital Vendum (What people of Hungary do)
  
  
• From: Arun (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Fri Feb 16 19:20:50 EST 2001
  
  I agree with U.
  That poem makes me very emotional!
  U know bharathi was considered eccentric in his days!
  There are some people who call IR an eccentric.......
  Iam afraid IR would becum another bharathi...
  He should get what he deserves when he lives.....
  
  
• From: joLLan aka SL (@ 207.82.165.226) on: Fri Feb 16 19:40:06 EST 2001
  
  Arasu Dakshin,
  Gandhipuram branch-a, KG complex branch-a. AyyO antha idliyum chinna vengAya sAmbArum.........
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Fri Feb 16 20:27:32 EST 2001
  
  Velaya paarunga ooi
  
  
• From: swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Fri Feb 16 20:37:41 EST 2001
  
  If a person is great, only great people can spot that person. If you say it in this thread where music knowledge is like water in madras, you will never be understood.
  you base your judgements on emotion alone - i can understand that - but if you want to make sense, you will have to tell us why you consider ilayaraja great - or rather his music. analyze...
  Well if you want to talk about ARRs music, then tell us why you like his music. Be specific. Dont say...yeah his melody is good that I remember it even now. That has no meaning and might apply differently to many people. And for heavens sake dont compare - you compare only when you know music. If you are half learnt, your judgements apply only to yourslef and is not commonly understood.
  BTW If you want to give due credits to ilayaraja, then there are many learned people doing that already.
  
  
• From: Sindhu (@ 158.143.171.207) on: Sat Feb 17 00:42:51 EST 2001
  
  To choose between Ilayaraja and Rehman is as if one was to attempt to choose between a right or left hand. Both MDs have contributed immensely, and are still doing their bit and flaring their stripes in their own manner. They are not in the same leaque to b compared with one another.
  
  They are, instead, two brilliant beings that should b kept side upon each other and cherished for their gift and the life that they have poured into the filmi industry as it stands today.
  
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.80) on: Sat Feb 17 04:25:01 EST 2001
  
  Sindhu,
  
  but both of them are not the same person...I think IR and ARR are still valid to compared in terms of melody and lots of other aspects besides the common notions such as latest trend, new kind of pronunciation etc. I still respect ur view but then comparison can be made.
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Sat Feb 17 08:01:41 EST 2001
  
  Dear Arun,
  
  I agree that IR is praised in Hungari. No doubt he is great. Also, ARR is very famous amoung many in US UK and other parts. We don't know whether every body is NRI. I heard that hollywood offers are pouring in. This will not happen if he is not good.
  
  I have one basic doubt, What happend to IR's symphony (fon't care about the spelling).
  It is right to feel proud about IR for he is the only asian so far to have got a chance to compose Symphony to Philharmonic orchestra.
  But, did they accet their work are symphony. I have not seen or heard about the symphony in the form of CD or any other means.
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.1) on: Sat Feb 17 10:30:54 EST 2001
  
  Mr. SK:
  
  ARR is very famous amoung many in US UK and other parts. We don't know whether every body is NRI. I heard that hollywood offers are pouring in.
  
  He is famous only among NRI's. And only NRIs, especially north Indians promote him. For foreigners his music is a repetition and no fresh juice out of it... I remember, 3 years before before few Germans visited my house and during that time Roja songs were on play that time. I told about the greatness of the songs and how the songs broke the existing trend out. they did not seem to be impressed in the same way they enjoyed folk songs.Probably they were very different for them. I bet you that ARR...can not be famous with his present style of music amongt foreigners..It's only NRI's, who promote him...Regarding Hollywood, it is again coming to same starting. Anand amritraj's production was creating some news way before. I donno what happend to that. I donno about other offers. You must remember that they have 1000 ARR's with them. Unless it is something to do with Indian theme, they don't employ him. Please keep posted them so that we will know more about that.
  
  Regarding IR's symphony, your statements are blunt. Please read this page
  
  http://webhome.idirect.com/~rlevy/current_question.html
  
  I also read that after composing symphony, IR played and showed it MSV. MSV in an interview told, he could not explain through words how good it was. But you can hear parts of IR's symphony in various cine songs and BGM's...How about Nothing but Wind and How to name it kind of stuffs. It is IR, who seems to be holding it back the symphony CD. I am waiting for other albums such as moods of Ilayaraja and others...
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.173.95.121) on: Sat Feb 17 15:52:49 EST 2001
  
  SK,
  ARR is not doing anything in hollywood. He is doing a musical movie called "Bombay dreams", directed by our shekar kapoor. A movie based on an indian theme, a young guy becoming a bollywood star. Its, a london based movie.
  
  But, he is co-composing with Andrew loyld webber, a great composer/director for musicals. Thats a great thing. He chose him because he needed a Indian musician for the indian theme. If ARR wasnt there, it could have gone to zakir or nasrut etc,. who had such experience.
  
  Except this he is not doing anything abroad, may be he can do something after this. only NRI's know ARR, that too many ABCDs I know dont know him!.
  
  My personal opinion is music scene in US is very different. For thim indian music is something alien as what jewish, arabic, latin music means to us. It might be little arractive sometimes but cant catch up as mainstream stuff. There are like 20 genres and sub-genres of music. A hardrock fan wont know what happens in contry music scene and vice versa. In big concerts by indian musicians, people in formal suit etc, come clap and go .. (like few of our sabha members here), otherwise indian music is alien.
  
  But, acheivement dosent only come from getting recoganization abroad. It is just doing great things on what you are into.
  
  In that sense ARR is doing great!. So did IR before.
  
  In US/UK, no musician doesnt mind if Indians and others listen them or not. So why we should target them?.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.81.65.247) on: Sat Feb 17 18:33:49 EST 2001
  
  Hi
  Once i want to an Indian grocery in Fremont and asked for Rangeela, The shopkeeper asked me who the music director was. I told it was ARR but he did'nt know who he is.
  
  kk your statement is true. ARR is not so popular amoung the ABCDs here.
  
  

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