Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Fri Dec 28 08:39:41 EST 2001
Yes!!! Now I remember that movie! Thanks so much kupps gaaru.
Saar, you have an interesting sense of humour. (And I make an easy target). I meant indha 'saththam' vonly. I have a criminal brain, I run away from Sattam ..But someday I am going to nail you on a spelling as well. HEH EHE.
But .. thanks a lot!
ennaku anda malgudi days paattu venum!! yaaradu adu enge kadaikum nu sollungolen! illaina i will throw tantrum . (IR_Fan is the one who always yields to that threat!!)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.221)
on: Fri Dec 28 14:54:19 EST 2001
MGR: Navroj and Yathukula Khamboji are some of the ragas originating from folk music! Most of these ragas have very limited scope and are identified by "typical" raga prayogams... Others in this category include NadhanAmakriya, PunnAgavarali, Senjurutti etc... Infact some of these ragas do not have sanchara (scope) beyond say a "madhyama" or "panchama" note in the middle octave. Navroj is one such raga. Its range is from Panchama to Panchama and for this reason it is usally sung in madhyama sruthi! If this is way too much info, please ignore :-) I did not know how else to explain this. I tried not to use too many jargons :-) Krishna Mukundha Murare is probably the only song known to be in this raga. There aren't too many carnatic songs either in this raga. There is a rare varnam and a reasonably popular Dikshithar Krithi.
Notes: Pa Dha2 Ni3 Sa Ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Pa - Pa Ma1 Ga3 Ri2 Sa Ni3 Dha2 Pa
Navroj:ShankarAbharaNam is similar to NAdhanAmakriya:MAyAmALavagowLai. They both differ from the parent raga only in sancharas and do not have sanchara beyond a particular note although they have all the notes in the parent raga!
Yathukulakhamboji is again very close to Khambodi. Khambodi takes Ni3 as a foreign note and Ga3 in aarohanam while YK does not. Hecherikaga rara by Thiagarajar and Kamakshi by Shyama Shastri are popular krithis in YK. Semmangudi is known to handle this raga with utmost ease! There is a lot of emphasis on "Ma" note... Sa Ri Ma; Ma etc...
Notes: Sa Ri2 Ma1 Pa Dha2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Dha2 Pa Ma1 Ga3 Ri2 Sa
I am sorry but am not aware of film songs in this raga :-(
RR: I did mention about Gambeera Naattai while talking about Thilang! Film songs in Thilang and Gambeera Nattai are usually confusing!
IR_Fan: I am not sure if Oru Pattaampoochi would fall under Chalanaattai. It seems to take predominantly - Sa Ga3 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Pa Ma1 Ga3 Sa - with Ri3 touches!
I remember having a discussion a while back regarding Maadathile... think it was concluded that the song is in Jog... am not sure again.
Where can I listen to PeygaLa nambaathe and metti oli song?
Thanks!
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.221)
on: Fri Dec 28 15:21:12 EST 2001
PeygaLa nambaadhe song seems to be Naattai based... ofcourse, with a few exceptions... achangaL enum boodham has Ma2 (Yamuna KalyaNi like phrase) and in the charaNams - Ni2 usage - (Or naaLum unakku koodadhu bayame for example - Thilang like phrase!)
- From: paerandi (@ )
on: Fri Dec 28 15:42:10 EST 2001
IR, can the following song be classified as YK ?
Kasikku pogum sanyasi
un kudumbam ennaagum nee yosi
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.221)
on: Fri Dec 28 16:23:52 EST 2001
vaangayya paerandi :-) ingayum en muzhikkareL :-)
pae - from what I remember I think it starts off as Yathukula Kambodhi moves on to Kambhodi and some Mohanam interludes... typical MSV kalappadam of notes :) (you are right, I remember Sa Ri2 Maaa phrases)
- From: Sombu Nilagireesar (@ 64.105.35.119)
on: Fri Dec 28 19:31:17 EST 2001
IR, thanks for the clarification. Oru Sombu pAyasam kudungappa.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.170)
on: Fri Dec 28 20:34:40 EST 2001
en ayya Nilagireesare - unga veetla tumbler e kidayaadha - ellaam sombu chatti la thaan saapduveengaLa :-) How are ya SL :-)
- From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Fri Dec 28 20:55:14 EST 2001
enda pAyasam venum saar?
- From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Fri Dec 28 21:02:59 EST 2001
yaarkittiyadu anda MALGUDI DAYS theme song irruka?? (tantrum coming.... in a few hours if i don't get answers)
enga kadakyumnu yeduvadu idea irruka?
- From: RR (@ 192.122.139.198)
on: Fri Dec 28 23:02:35 EST 2001
IR: can you confirm if these are YK?
1. gangai yamunai (imayam)
2. manjal mugam niram maara (karnan) - this song starts like kaapi but shifts in the line 'malargal pootti', which sounds like YK.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Dec 29 00:14:30 EST 2001
Dear IR....
thanks a lot for clarifications on "oru pattampoochi", "maadathile kanni maadhathile" and "peygala nambhathe" songs....about the "METTI OLI" song (from the film METTI), the link is given below...is it JOG?
http://www.dhool.com/cgi-bin/display.pl?order=title&query=title+like+'metti%20oli%'&start=0&offset=40&prevq=title+like+'metti%20oli%'
- From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66)
on: Sat Dec 29 01:45:56 EST 2001
hihi .... I read somewhere that IR's Nikkattuma Pogattuma (Periya Veettu Pannakaran) is in Vachaspati.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Dec 29 04:15:05 EST 2001
yes venky..it is vachaspati...
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Dec 29 04:16:59 EST 2001
IR...did u get a chance to the link i gave? Is it JOG?
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.170)
on: Sat Dec 29 07:36:23 EST 2001
RR,IR_Fan - unfortunately I may not be able to listen to those songs until Monday :-( Would post after hearing the song :-)
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Dec 31 00:01:17 EST 2001
IR_FAN,
Could you please tell me the ragas of PP songs.
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Dec 31 01:19:32 EST 2001
sorry, i was calling to "IR" and not "IR_Fan"..."Isai Rasigai", ragas for PP songs please.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Mon Dec 31 01:57:54 EST 2001
Prabhu,
aanaalum ungaLukku kurumbu jaasthi. Isai Rasigayoda Rasigar (IR's fan i.e. IR_Fan) avargaLai vaendum enRae seendugireergaL. aen PP songs raagangaL avar solla maattaara ;-)
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Dec 31 06:19:47 EST 2001
:-) kupps, samayam paarthu kaala vaarividuveengale....this guy prabhu and me work in the same office, and he just wanted to take a dif at me ;-)...Kupps, he is another naughty person like you. Prabhu, ippo unakku santhoshama? [btw, he is harcore ARR fan ]
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Dec 31 06:21:01 EST 2001
typo.."just wanted to take a dig at me"..and not dif at me...
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Dec 31 06:23:18 EST 2001
IR
still waiting for your reply for my queries !!!
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134)
on: Mon Dec 31 07:20:00 EST 2001
see...again prabhu still continuing the stink at IR_Fan ;-)
btw IR_Fan, I already knew that prabhu and you both are collegues and both belong to what is called the rival group of TFM Page :-) and that is why i wanted to "gently remind" prabhu of his cheeky deed.
- From: a very yappy mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Mon Dec 31 11:14:02 EST 2001
Amidst all the 'gentle reminders'... let mandu chloride wish every one a very very YAPPY new year.... have a wonderful and music filled 2002. Ellarum jaalia irungo... payithiyakara tanama sirichinde irungo.. mudinja room kadavai saththi.. aadungo.. appram meditate pannungo!
PS - Mandu ketta kelivikkellam badil sollitte irungo!
- From: MGR (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Mon Dec 31 12:30:45 EST 2001
IR: Thanks for your detailed (nice) explanation on YK and Navroj. I had a chance to read it only today. Notations on Navroj look close to Senchuruti, except that the latter goes till Dha.
I somehow have a good feel of Senchuruti in 'Krishna mugunda' song. I could compare this closely with 'Sri chakra raja' beginning and 'Radhe unaku kobam' songs. Are you sure it's not senchuruti ?
Appy new year from this maramandai to MaCl2 & all other mandus. MSku enna aachu ? sounde kanom !
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Mon Dec 31 13:01:19 EST 2001
Turning green.... MS is having fun in India... he would be back after another month or so....
MGR - that song coudl very well have traces of Senjurutti, but it has long been known to be in Navaroj :-)
Prabhu... naanum eppadiyaavadhu marappeenga nnu paakkaren :-) mmmm hmmm... it was tough decoding ragas for PP songs... ella songs mm not set in "a" raga ... here is my best guess :-)
Nee Thaan en desiya geetham - Shankarabharanam and Hameer KalyaNi/Behaag traces..
Manmadha Maasam - Hamsadhwani and Vaasanthi (several other notes too!!!)
Azhage Sugama - Dwijavanthi(or was it meant to be sahana!) and Sahana
Ada Moondrezhuththu - VakuLabharaNam based...
IR_Fan: metti song kekka mudiyala - Connection to Dhool site is timing out :-(
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Mon Dec 31 13:09:50 EST 2001
Oh and Adhisaya ThirumaNam - Jog, (sounds like Naattai at times - but since he has used Ni2 and Ni3 - I would think it is Jog!) ShankarabharaNam and Yamuna KalyaNi
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.245)
on: Mon Dec 31 13:24:36 EST 2001
IR_Fan adikka varaadheenga :-) Metti Oli song to me sounds like Sudhdha Dhanyasi and its Ga3 counterpart - Saavitri :-) Atleast excluding the interludes, this is what I feel. interludes la ennalaamo scales poittu varaar including mohanam etc...
I hear Sa Ga2 Ma1 Pa Ni2 sa - sa ni2 pa ma ga2 sa
and
Sa Ga3 Mi1 pa ni2 sa - sa ni2 pa ma ga3 sa....
I may be totally wrong :-) indha PP song ragam kandu pidikka kaettu kaettu kaadhu valiching :-)
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