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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Jul 6 11:35:23 EDT 2000
  
  "Aadiyila sethi solli aavanilyil theydhi vechchu sethi sonna mannavaru thaan" - Movie "En Aasai Machchan"
  
  original - AsaiyilE pAthi katti nAthu oNNu nattu vachEn - enga ooru kAvakkAran by rAjA.
  
  "All TFMDs are copiers no. 1"
  
  Of course - they got trained by RDB, Anand Milind, Annu Malik and the great Bappi Lahiri.
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu Jul 6 12:25:13 EDT 2000
  
  pg:
  
  that is an insult. I think TFMDs are talented enough to do that without any training :-)
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Thu Jul 6 14:00:10 EDT 2000
  
  pg,
  
  is RDB a copier?
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu Jul 6 14:53:50 EDT 2000
  
  haris :
  RDB's lifts have been well chronicled in the newsgroup RMIM.
  
  (rec.music.indian.misc)
  
  Search in deja.com for archives.
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Thu Jul 6 14:58:37 EDT 2000
  
  folks,
  
  atlast my query got answered regarding the copied deva no which I posted on june29.
  
  romba nanri guys!!:-)
  
  i sometimes find people saying that Rod Stewart's song Maggie May and pulveli pulveli from Aasai? by Deva are the same.
  
  can anyone clarify (kilarufy ;-) on this?
  
  
  Bug
  
  
• From: Singaram (@ pppa75-resalegrandrapids2-4r7240.saturn.bbn.com) on: Thu Jul 6 22:19:50 EDT 2000
  
  Idhai copy'nnu solla koodadhu. Devavin Thiramai endru solla vendum. "Unnai Arindhal Nee Unnai Arindhal" endra MGR paadalai, indha kaalathirtku thagundhal pol Shilpa Shetty Dance'kku Kushi padathil, "Marcarina marcarina" endru kalakki irukkiraar.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.226) on: Fri Jul 7 05:21:51 EDT 2000
  
  Deva's interview is published in today's Hindu (hardcopy ed) with a title featuring his humility...he openly admits using some tunes from other sources!
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 194.149.80.1) on: Fri Jul 7 09:31:20 EDT 2000
  
  eden.,
  When you said 'HardCopy' Edition, I thought Hindhu has published some Special issue on Copy(i)ed Songs and Deva's interview is a part of that ;-))))
  NagaS
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.139.202) on: Fri Jul 7 10:50:04 EDT 2000
  
  SA Rajkumar lifts (so what's new) 'Entha nerchina' (tyagaraja kriti) in 'tyagaraajanin theiva keerthanam' (Pennin Manathai Thottu). At least, he has acknowledged... :)
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Fri Jul 7 16:54:31 EDT 2000
  
  I looked @ Hindu on net.. couldnt find Deva's interview. Can someone help me locate it on net?, or atleast produce some transcripts from hard copy edition?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.165) on: Fri Jul 7 23:57:48 EDT 2000
  
  chandy!
  I'll type out something for you in the afternoon (IST). Yesterday's Hindu paper is at home which features a pic of Deva & his 4 brothers with a title `humility is his hallmark' or something like that:-)
  
  
• From: SHYSUN (@ 202.9.179.78) on: Sat Jul 8 04:51:24 EDT 2000
  
  MR.BUG,THIS IS SHYSUN,I WAS THE FIRST TO SAY MAGIE MAY IS THE ORIGINAL OF PULVELI BY DEVA,IT IS 100 % TRUE CHECK IT OUT.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.238) on: Sat Jul 8 05:58:23 EDT 2000
  
  Chandy!
  Here it is from `The Hindu', 7th July 2K
  
  Humility is his hallmark
  
  As one enters then house, the voice of MSS's Suprabhatham wafts thru the air.
  
  The reception room is full of pictures of deities of whom the portrait of Bangaru Adigalar is prominent. IR's photo is also there.
  
  Music director Deva, who has completed 300 films joins us and talks about music, his early life which was one of stuggle. Excerpts from the interview:
  
  You have completed 300 films in 11 years. Don't you consider it an achievement?
  
  Certainly not. I still feel I am learning music. If at all somebody thinks I have done something in this field then it is only with the help of my directors, producers and fans. As for music is concerned, my family members are in the music line and it is with their help I am doing it. I will not call it an achievement.
  
  IR too is his family member, probably (Deva is IR's aNNan's sambandhi:-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.238) on: Sat Jul 8 06:00:32 EDT 2000
  
  Hi, Hi, the last comment is mine...I'll post more later:-)
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.140) on: Sat Jul 8 08:18:22 EDT 2000
  
  continued from S R Ashok Kumar's interview of Deva:
  
  You say that you are still a student of music, can you elaborate?
  
  I try to find out the present trend and follow it. everyday i do my home work. For an hour I write musical notes, listen to Beethoven, Mosart or some other musical genius and take a cue from them. This I do after a day's hard work and it gives me great pleasure and rejuvenates me for the next day.
  
  What is the pattern of your work?
  
  The starts for me with composing at 7AM. I go to the studio and sit with the director and give him various tunes. I feel the morning freshness makes the creativity in me blossom. But I do compose in the evening also when necessary. I do not stop with one or two tunes. I want them to take the best, so I give them enough tunes for them to select. Then in the afternoon, I do the recording and mixing. This goes on till late in the night. Listening to music masters would help me cut an album later on. In fact I have taken some tunes and used it in films also.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ppp11.honovi.net) on: Sat Jul 8 08:22:35 EDT 2000
  
  eden i think IR never acknowledged it..remember IR and family didnt attend Sangeetha-Bhaskars wedding?
  Poor Deva he was cultured enough to attend karthik Rajas wedding inspite of the humility shown by the other family
  
  
• From: e (@ 61.1.250.140) on: Sat Jul 8 08:24:52 EDT 2000
  
  Most part of the balance interview is not relevant to this thread. The last question and answer are a little bit interesting:
  
  What is your aim in life?
  I want to do something different and I am working on it. Somebody suggested that I do a gana style album. But I am at it and will do it as soon as possible. My tough assignment was the song in `Purusha lakshanam' which had 108 amman names. I feel that the name and the fame which has come to me is only because of my continued, dedicated hard work and the help which I get from my brothers. I owe my success to them and to other members of my family who supported me in trying times.
  
  Interesting isn't it?:-)))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.140) on: Sat Jul 8 08:28:05 EDT 2000
  
  Ramki: I read in our tit-bits thread that IR's train got delayed and hence he couldn't make it to the wedding. He went later and blessed personally (quoting Kungumam)!
  
  
• From: Manix (@ 1cust153.tnt13.fort-lauderdale.fl.da.uu.net) on: Sat Jul 8 10:14:24 EDT 2000
  
  Shysun...Could you please elaborate as to how "Maggie May" may have influenced 'Pulveli' ?
  
  If you claim that the tune sung slowly will give you 'pulveli', then its a stretch!
  
  
• From: Bug (@ goliath5.primary-server.net) on: Sat Jul 8 12:17:54 EDT 2000
  
  SHYSUN,
  hi nice to see you here also....apart from muthamil.com :-)
  Still I am confused though ...maybe i got to get a good clip of Rod stewart. I thought muthamil would host it.still...pending.
  
  Eden,
  thanks for the transcript. Avalavu thaana? ennum erukka... i am amazed with the number of movies to his credit. Hmm.......
  morning freshness, neraya tune podararaam,......naalu adi antha aalukku kudutha eppadi vethantham pesa maatar. He is trying to "cover up" his inability to give good sontha music with humility , athu ethu endru.....neram thaan.
  
  eden by the way, is the news from kungumam about the late visit to marriage by IR is true?
  
  
  Anbudan
  Bug
  
  
• From: Ravi Krishna (@ host-209-214-130-201.jax.bellsouth.net) on: Sat Jul 8 21:37:54 EDT 2000
  
  PG wrote:-
  >Of course - they got trained by RDB, Anand >Milind, Annu Malik and the great Bappi Lahiri.
  >RDB's lifts have been well chronicled in the >newsgroup RMIM.
  >(rec.music.indian.misc)
  >Search in deja.com for archives.
  
  I was the person who exposed most of RDB's copied songs in rmim.
  
  I find that in this forum, Deva is compared with RDB which IMO is the insult. For all his copying,
  RDB has come up with sufficient original songs,
  many based on hindustani raagas which puts him at a much higher pedestial than the likes of Deva and ARR.
  
  I can claim to have listened to almost all songs of RDB and ARR and to me there is no doubt that RDB is miles better than ARR. I admit I don't know much about Deva, and I don't care about him
  too. However since I am rating RDB > ARR, I can automatically assume RDB > Deva :-)
  
  I tell u what is the problem with ARR. He is original, but incredibly juvenile. His compositions are not worth remembering after few weeks of listening, by then one gets sick of it.
  This is proved once again by his compositions of AlaiPayudhe. Same old juvenile songs.
  
  Once again, while RDB's copied songs sticks out like a sore thumb, he had come out with terrific original songs which makes the second best indian composer in the last 3 decades. The first of course is Raja.
  
  needless to say, all IMO.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ravi Krishna (@ host-209-214-130-201.jax.bellsouth.net) on: Sat Jul 8 21:41:09 EDT 2000
  
  Typos:-
  >with RDB which IMO is the insult.
  
  that should read
  with RDB which IMO is an insult.
  
  >which makes the second best indian composer in
  
  that should read
  which makes him the second best indian composer in
  
  

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