Topic started by mfm (@ 203.120.115.1) on Tue May 12 22:59:35 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Shall we imagine what would have happened to TFM, if there is no IR since 1976 till say, the debut of Deva, ARR etc., Ofcourse, everybody said that he made Tamilians to divert from Hindi songs. Won't it be interesting, if we can go into more detail
Without the debut of IR,
1. would MSV continued to rule TFM? for how long?
2. who would have took TFM from MSV? again for how long?
3. what would have happened to those films in which IR is the hero? (Not to mention everybody knows)
4. would there be so many no. of tamil films produced/released in that period
5. would TFM sought a MD from North India like RD Burman etc.,
Note: I would say IR is the inspiration for the present MDs.
Firstly Deva, he won't even exist without IR 'cos his compositions is Deva's Film Music Reference Manual, Dictionary, Encyclopaedia. Sirpi, SA R.Kumar etc., would also fall into this category
I welcome any corrections to my second point. Thin k about ARR... (1) he breathed the air that IR breathed (2) he was brought up under the shelter of IR (3) he learnt what is the definition of a complete Film MD (4) he is a sincere student(which ARR failed to mention) from the SCHOOL of IR specialised in complex orchestration & mixing(manual) (5) Can anybody add more...
All these not for 1 yr or 2 yrs or even 5 yrs but for 10 years - a DECADE experience for ARR with IR.
Can ARR or his fans rule out the fact that he did not benefit anything under the shadow of IR to attain the place he is enjoying now?? As many of us exclaim that IR is great creation of GOD, I think GOD also created ARR [not as great as IR anyway :-) ] to grew with IR and oneday get atleast a group of people to say that he replaced IR(which I do not agree anyway).
A few would ask why not VS Narasimhan or other veteran player in IR's team did not come like ARR. Well that's why I say ARR is a sincere STUDENT of IR School. GOD created ARR to be smart, intelligent and courageous enough to study IR for such a long time and get ARR to perform something different from what IR did. I think it can happen only for a limited period, but I wish ARR a long life in TFM & otherFM. B'cos IR is a ocean by himself, it will be a miracle if anyone can do things different from him for a long time.
Before I continue, let me get my views validated by the experts out there in DF.
Though I am hard-core, devotee of IR, I do not dislike or "hate" other MDs(ofcourse I do not listen to their songs:-). I believe there are geniune TFM fans/experts who can contribute to the imagination of "TFM without IR" and make this topic interesting & healthy.
mfm
Responses:
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- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:40:24 EST 2001
Amma:
I thought "Saavu Adi" means songs which have
"Gum Chum Gum Chum Gum Chum Chuk..."...
Appa
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 14:41:45 EST 2001
Amma:
You're incredible in your humour...
Appa
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.237)
on: Thu Jan 25 15:05:56 EST 2001
Digression:
I suddenly don't see one of the threads on my screen.Tell me I'm hallucinating?
- From: Appa (@ 160.231.1.222)
on: Thu Jan 25 15:34:39 EST 2001
Yes even I can't see that thread...
- From: SU (@ 209.187.151.146)
on: Thu Jan 25 15:44:27 EST 2001
Guys, wake (scroll) up, it's there!!
- From: John (@ 204.255.14.188)
on: Thu Jan 25 15:57:21 EST 2001
Drag your mouse & highlight all the threads. Now your thread will appear. I faced this problem yesterday
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Thu Jan 25 16:22:29 EST 2001
Appa:
What amma said about 'Savu Adi" is correct.
- From: jalra (@ 64.208.81.180)
on: Thu Jan 25 16:48:24 EST 2001
ching chak
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:)
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Thu Jan 25 22:25:28 EST 2001
Amma..Appa..Amma..Appa Ennathaan nadakkuthu inke?
- From: vtv (@ 203.199.236.26)
on: Fri Jan 26 14:26:20 EST 2001
Amma, Appa, Fliflo , Jalra - All this happens in TFM because music from all aspects alone is discussed by the current MD forum in TFM without IR.
Years back it would have been non-musical with praising phrases and jaalras around.
But now TFM without IR, is TFM without monotony, monpoly and madrush for nothing.
It has become sensible with newere melodies from SA Rajkumar, exciting songs with ARR (even Kamal has got a hit song to his credit-Ayyodaa), music for the masses by Deva. Remember all their songs have different voices and the identity can be made out. The recording quality has a mutifold improvement with better quality.
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Fri Jan 26 15:36:08 EST 2001
SAR and Deva songs. Listen to the english or hindi or punjabi vesion of their songs. You like them much.
Sayonnee-Pak song-Original Version
Salomiyaa-Tamil-Deva's Version
Megamai Vandhu Pogiren-SAR's version.
Ithuthaan innikku TFM.
ARR- pppooooooooo...no comments
vtv ...poi nimmathiya rest edu
- From: vtv (@ 203.199.233.175)
on: Wed Jan 31 21:12:51 EST 2001
Earth quake in Gujarat.
Ayya Subbiah, Fliflo, kk, pamaran,- Inga adikkira jalrala gujarat nadunguthu. Go take rest with IR!
TFM without IR is collecting funds for Gujarat victims, Kargil martyrs etc., and IR gives "thathuva statement" in Kumudham.
It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness! I understand your obsession with IR!
If you are interested promote a site as IR.com and go ahead. Dont post crap in the name of tfm in this dedicated page.
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Wed Jan 31 23:06:39 EST 2001
vtv,
You are searching for candle light under the mercury light lit by IR. I don't blame IR for that. IR is down to earth and his statements were more polite, digging at himself etc., I don't see anything wrong in that.
And you think you are decent and polite!
It will be very easy for IR fans to retaliate you saying go start ARR.com and rest with ARR! After all there are more IR films these days than ARR films. If you hate IR it is upto you. But don't spit on a person who had done/doing so much to TFM.
BTW what do you intend to say by ...TFM without IR is collecting funds for Gujarat victims, Kargil martyrs etc.,...
- From: Asareeri (@ 205.227.43.14)
on: Thu Feb 1 00:22:53 EST 2001
>> It has become sensible with newere melodies from SA Rajkumar
Oru paanai sotrukku oru soru padham. I can see how serious you are about your post! :-)
- From: Raghu (@ 202.9.188.102)
on: Thu Feb 1 01:06:42 EST 2001
Hi STS,
There is nothing wrong in helping collecting funds for gujarat victims through this forum.
Mercury light are slow to pick up.It may not be wise that way.But in the darkness a candle is always better. Let the MDs in TFM without IR be candles without electrified Mercury bulbs. They are contributing too.
Kumudham interview sounds an usual publicity material. It was 'symphony' years back and now it is 'sympathy'.
STS, Fliflo and Asareeri -Men may come and men may go, but TFM will thrive for ever however spitting your attitudes may be with other music directors of the industry.
- From: BPS (@ 38.32.76.188)
on: Fri Feb 2 20:29:52 EST 2001
Hi,
I am the webmaster of the official Sirkali Home Page. This is to inform fans of Drs. Sirkali that the web address has changed from
http://www.icdc.com/~sirkali (or w3)
to
http://www.sirkali.org
Please change your bookmarks to point to this new link.
Thank You very much,
Balaji Pratap Sirkali
http://www.sirkali.org
balaji_p_sirkali@hotmail.com
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195)
on: Fri Feb 2 23:05:19 EST 2001
yaedho yennaala mudinjadhu...
Mercury light are slow to pick up.It may not be wise that way.But in the darkness a candle is always better.
Even for lighting that candle one needs matchstick. So the first one to be lit in darkness is the matchstick. Hence lets have matchsticks like SAR et.al instead of candles and mercury lamps :-)
- From: vazhipOkkan (@ 192.135.244.69)
on: Sat Feb 3 02:15:20 EST 2001
ennappa idhu...visu padam pAkkarA mAdhiri irukku...indha karuththu vidara business a niRuthittu vElaya pArungappA...
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.195)
on: Sat Feb 3 05:37:18 EST 2001
vazhipokkan sorry for allowing to degeneration.
my points for this thread are:
(1) As somebody pointed out from the poem "the Brooke" for men may come and men may go but i go forever, the TFM will still be going, unaffected.
(2) Definitely, IR's tenure is a fantastic page in the Book TFM, one of other fantastic pages amongst many of ordinary pages.
(3) May be people like me might not have got this much interest in knowing about classical esp. western classical terminologies and their meaning.
(4) There won't be 100s of MB eaten in TFM page machine with the eternal IR v/s ARR. oh! god but there might be MSV v/s ARR, after all we need something to ponder over and fight.
(5) Native folk, grand orchestration in many of the songs might not have come to TFM (or) might have come thru some other MD. This doesnt mean that Music of predecessors of IR lacked in these area. These are one of IR's greatest weapons, thats all.
(6) Finally, we would not have got ARR's favourite song inje iduppazhaga :-)
Sorry i could not contribute much. My imagination is very poor.
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.164.204)
on: Sat Feb 3 13:49:53 EST 2001
"As somebody pointed out from the poem "the Brooke" for men may come and men may go but i go forever, the TFM will still be going, unaffected"
May be you are right if you have mentioned till the last word. Without IR, it is certainly prone to get affected a lot. Ask like this. What happens to Tamil without Uyir ezhuthu? What happens to Indian cricket without Tendulkar? What happens to computers without Windows OS? What happens to Veg.Biriyani without Vegetables?
Without all of them above going to make a huge difference. TFM without IR would have been similar. Ofcourse, TFM still exists. Lets not talk about this right now.
"Definitely, IR's tenure is a fantastic page in the Book TFM, one of other fantastic pages amongst many of ordinary pages."
It's just not a fantastic page but a Golden page too. There are not many fantastic pages in TFM book and whatever it may be, IR's page is the enlightening one.
"May be people like me might not have got this much interest in knowing about classical esp. western classical terminologies and their meaning"
Absolutely true with me too. But to enjoy IR's music you don't need any great music knowledge. With good music knowledge may be IR's music is a good source for research.
" Paateduthu Naan Padichaa.. Kaatruvi Kannurangum..
Patta maram Poo pookkum...Parayilum Neer kasiyum"
"There won't be 100s of MB eaten in TFM page machine with the eternal IR v/s ARR. oh! god but there might be MSV v/s ARR, after all we need something to ponder over and fight"
This fight is not going to be eternal. If ARR stops his music all this is going to stop. But IR is a music saga. He will be compared with many others, forever.
"Native folk, grand orchestration in many of the songs might not have come to TFM (or) might have come thru some other MD. This doesnt mean that Music of predecessors of IR lacked in these area. These are one of IR's greatest weapons, thats all"
Other possibilities are MSV would have continued for some more time. Shankar-Ganesh, Hamsaleka, Margatha mani and some others would have gone strong. The TFM pages would have been written so ordinarily or people would have shifted listening to hindi and other(s) music (despite most of them are second rated). Whether somebody else would have given native folk like IR...I doubt. Because till date no body is there to beat him on this..
"Finally, we would not have got ARR's favourite song inje iduppazhaga :-)"
True. Additionally, there are atleast 2000 more excellent songs we were bound to miss. Fortunately, that did not happen.
- From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189)
on: Sat Feb 3 15:49:10 EST 2001
Mr Raghu,
No one is against helping Gujarath victims. And FYI I did it already. My intention here is not to bring Gujath to take a dig at a MD. We are spitting on some MDs? Mine was a response to one of your camps. If you can't digest it, you better stop it. Neenga solrathai vayai moodikittu irukkurathukku nee enakku annanum ille. Naan unga thabiyum illai. If you spit on sky, it will come back to your face. Spitting on IR is like spitting yourself.
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