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ARR and IR the only trendsetters in TFM in the last 25 years

Topic started by Arjuna (@ 137.73.8.176) on Fri May 16 09:26:38 EDT 2003.
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ARR was a trend setter..All the other music directors other than IR did nothing new!! They are just following the footsteps of IR and ARR..ARR need not waste his time on films that are cheap and he is concentrating on better films in Hindi..It is quite funny when u ppl say HJ,YSR are better than the great ARR..ARR has gone into the history books..The other music directors will be forgotten!!Even during the time,when IR was at this peak, MDs like Shankar ganesh and Chandrabose were hyped so much to be the best..But look at them now..they are no where to be seen..IR and ARR are the only music directors whom the tfm industry will remember in the next 25 years and more!!ARR is GOD!!

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• From: raj (@ 211.28.96.41) on: Sun May 18 09:21:22 EDT 2003
  
  hello..
  There are some songs.. u will like the song if u hear it b4 watching the song in the movie. and some songs are the other way. u wont like the song untill u watch the song in the movie. the 2nd type started to come only after 1990. and only a few movie directors were able to make good dances sceans for those songs. eg maniratnam, shanker. and in recent years only they started to spend lot of money for the songs.
  
  ARR was luckey. because he entered in that period. his bombay songs were no where(except arabic kadaloram) b4 the movie was released. no one even like uyirey uyirey.. b4 the movie released. but after the movie release bang.. the way they film the song was amazing. full credit to maniratnam.
  
  unfortunatly IR's period was different. for example "ilamai enum poong katru a beautiful song.. but if u watch the song in the movie niram maratha pookal.. it sucks!! another example poovey sempoovey - in the movie radha ravi singing tht song on the stage. so that is one of the reason for arr's success.
  
  curses (@ 219.65.109.34), if ir's songs doesnt touch ur soul no ones song will touch ur soul. ir is far better than arr in that department. for example - oorai therinchukiren, oru kootu kiliyaka-padikathavan, china thayaval- thalapathi, then pandi cheemayiley - nayakan, amma endralaikatha - manan, enai thalata varuvalo-kathaluku mariyathai, aayiram kodi sooriyan poley - karisal katu poovey, katrey enthan geetham - joney, theney thenpandi meeney, kaney kalai maney- moondram pirai, poo pookum masam thai masam- varusham 16, thalatum poonkaru - kopura vasaliley, nee partha parvaikoru - heyram, masi masam- tharmathurai, marakatha valiku manakolam - anbula appa, sinthiya venmani sirpiyil muthachu, kalukuley vantha eeram ena, thuli thuli nee padama - sirpikul muthu etc etc etc... there is a lot.. countless. if these songs doesnt touch ur soul u r not a human being man.
  
  arr's soul touching songs only a few, u can count them with ur fingurs. only a few. arr is also copying a lot of songs. but i accept he is good. but he is not god as u ppl claim.. even other mds are doing good. at this date vd is doing better than arr. his kadal vanthathum, thalatum katrey va, aval yar aval, etil alagu, poongatru veesum -mr madras etc etc are beautiful songs, baradwaj is equally good. even agosh gave some great songs during their short career.. nadodi patu pada - arichandra, tholaiviniley vanam, nan iruntha koviley - kodeeswaran. so appriciate talant.
  
  arr is not ir.. arr is not that good to out class other mds and he cant do 70, 80 movies a year to corp up the demand which IR was able to do for 25 years to be a successful monapoly in tfm. arr cannot become a monapoly like ir.. i doubt whether he can even do 10 movies a year. not only arr no one will be able to do that in future.
  
  so other present mds wont dissappear like u guys say.. their music also will be sung by a lot of ppl. hj's kaaka kaaka is great and better than arr's parasuram..
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.102) on: Sun May 18 10:54:06 EDT 2003
  
  "70, 80 movies a year to corp up the demand which IR was able to do for 25 years"
  
  Since when does mass production equal quality? IR is the McDonald's of TFM.
  
  
• From: Unmai Sudum (@ 202.56.193.91) on: Sun May 18 13:35:32 EDT 2003
  
  Thats not true. IR's music is full quality TN meals which has everything,where as ARR's music is fast food(McDonald). Do you think your indian body will accept McDonald food always?
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.102) on: Sun May 18 14:23:09 EDT 2003
  
  IR makes music quickly like McDonands .. but if he eats at McDonalds he will start writing gaana music.
  
  
• From: dhana (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Sun May 18 16:03:04 EDT 2003
  
  yeh
  IR gives fast food.
  ARR gives worst food. Example all his recent and upcoming movies.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Mon May 19 01:02:47 EDT 2003
  
  "Since when does mass production equal quality?"
  
  EXACTLY!!
  And while you at it also add this, "Since when does high salary or fame equal quality?"
  
  
  And for the ignorants, the very discussion that caught everyone everywhere(not only in newtfmpage!) is IR's ability to give high quantity=high quality.
  
  Already he's done that for 27 years and he is the only living example so far who can do that.
  
  Don't compare him to any others unless u want that person to be rubbised aside.
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon May 19 01:40:33 EDT 2003
  
  Without IR quantity & quality, the identify of TFM would be in doubt. It would be one more cine field thats all just like other language film industries shadowing HFM!
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Mon May 19 08:21:57 EDT 2003
  
  Difference IR ARR.
  
  IR-The TF industry was growing.
  
  ARR-TF industry ??? .
  You can see what is going now.All the producer escapes from the cine field.
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.103) on: Mon May 19 12:31:41 EDT 2003
  
  I think it is the devoted IR fans that are holding back new MDs. By denying them consideration and appreciation, or constantly comparing them to IR, or saying, noone can be as great as IR. And some refuse to even listen to anyone but IR.
  
  It's as if IR is a black hole and SUCKS everyone's appreciation and attention away from other MDs. So there will be no more trendsetters in TMF .. ever .. because IR fans won't allow it.
  
  
• From: jinx123 (@ 167.203.48.180) on: Mon May 19 17:20:47 EDT 2003
  
  raj (@ 211.28.96.41..
  That was total BS.Everyone knows Roja was a hit even before the movie came.well it was a hit in my college.similarly Gentleman,Thiruda thiruda...and the list go's on.Infact people started buying cassettes even before the movie release only bcas of ARR.Infact the shop near my house (in Royapettah) ran out of cass of Kadhalan when it was released.
  And all thos people who are saying that IR composed so many movies per year , let see of those 1000+ or what ever movies, how many songs would you rate good.If you said ALL then probably you are deaf.and out of all the ARR's music i think just a handfull is unlistenable like some songs in udaya (though i liked udaya and enna enna)and parasuram.so theres merit for that logic.
  
  
  
• From: jinx123 (@ 167.203.48.180) on: Mon May 19 17:22:37 EDT 2003
  
  I meant , so theres no merit for that logic.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon May 19 21:01:32 EDT 2003
  
  "preventing you getting into a groove" - outsider, today, I listened to three songs in a row of different types sung by IR himself..one is valli valli ena vandhan vadivelan thaan, this is the kind of song you will like. The same rhythm is repeated through out the song. The next song is 'engE en jeevanE unnil ennaik kandEnE'. This one's pallavi has one tabla rhythm, the interludes have drums/congo and the charanams a different or probably louder tabla rhythm. These kind of variations are done to pique the interest of the listener. If you listen to older songs (real oldies) they all have the same rhythm throughout. This rhythm variations and interludes were introduced much later (by MSV, followed by IR, I think, I could be mistaken). These developments take the song, from a mere song to a composition. IR sets a song to a raagam or mood, this will be maintained throughout, the rhythm is secondary. So this exploration of the theme melody is what makes the song a composition. To me, this seems actually like a positive development in film music. The third song I heard is from avatharam - thenRal vanthu theendumpOthu ..well this one is a genre breaker ..you gotta hear it to enjoy it.
  If you still think, it is no good, probably, IR is not the source for your listening pleasure.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.30) on: Mon May 19 22:20:06 EDT 2003
  
  And while you at it also add this, "Since when does high salary or fame equal quality?"
  
  
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  Why he is gettign high salary at the first place?..as he has quality..and has been proved...
  
  
  dun tell me.....u will start buying some cheap Proton cars at high price?...
  
  u will pay high only for Ferrari, Mercedes, or BMW....rite...
  
  so..the price..indirectly sets the standard and quality...
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon May 19 22:23:32 EDT 2003
  
  outsider >> Thanks for accepting whole TN/SI are IR fans
  
  
• From: outsider (@ 206.20.111.105) on: Tue May 20 00:28:14 EDT 2003
  
  telugu and kerala too .. yada yada yada
  
  
• From: joe (@ 211.28.96.9) on: Tue May 20 03:14:14 EDT 2003
  
  Ferrari is hi prised because of its prestege.. atleast u will have to pay $300,000 to buy a ferrari. The question is, is it worth that money? so u cant compare ferrari and bmw. so much price different. so if arr is ferrari.. ir is bmw. low price still got all the luxuries. but there are some ppl still buy ferri. we all lov ferrari bcause of its outside attraction and the immage it has got. but its not worth it for that money. bmw can do the same work for relatively low cost. same thing can apply to arr.. high cost because of his immage and his pass glory. not anymore. his quality comming down rapidly but still the price is same........ atleast ferrary's quality is not going down like arr..
  
  
• From: joe (@ 198.142.204.101) on: Tue May 20 03:41:20 EDT 2003
  
  From: jinx123 (@ 167.203.48.180) on: Mon May 19 17:20:47 EDT 2003
  I am not talking abt all the movies and songs. what im saying is for eg gentleman album is a hit b4 the movie relese but after the movie relese it went on to a record breaking hit. kathalan like that. and there are some movies only became hit after the movie relese only. so im saying arr got that advantage in his period which ir dint have. anyway is that true gentleman is a hit b4 the movie release?
  
  
• From: joe (@ 198.142.204.101) on: Tue May 20 03:42:17 EDT 2003
  
  and paran we can also put it like this... if there is no quality there is no demand. if there is no demand ther is no production :)... because ir had a lot of demand he have to compose 70 -80 movies a year during his peak time.. in arr's case in his peak his demand is far less than ir. so are u saying arr got no quality?????? wow paran u are great.. ferrary bmw nu endi summa "S"a kuduthu punakura? ferrari pathi pesura moonjap paru...
  
  

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