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- From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6)
on: Wed Dec 17 11:50:52 EST 2003
You dont need to agree, but ur posts should have some sense and no bias..
This shows you dont understand the Present or the Past
Tell me one actor whose movie is welcomed from the day the movie is announced.. Dont talk crap..
- From: Piratheepan (@ 68.88.20.124)
on: Wed Dec 17 13:02:10 EST 2003
MIL,
hmmm and i almost thought u were going to be mature but obviously i stand corrected cuz u opened ur mouth.
ummm u pose that question to urself cuz i kno u want find a single actor in this world whose movie is welcomed the day its announced.I was going to answer ur question then realized you'd say no one other then rajini but guess wat rajini's movie wont be welcomed by me soooo ehh guess ur left with nuthin my friend.
there's a sayin one person's trash is another person's trash, and obivously my trash is your treasure and vise-versa.
- From: Piratheepan (@ 68.88.20.124)
on: Wed Dec 17 13:04:44 EST 2003
oh and by the way if u had gone threw and read my post which i doubt u did.u would see i have an understanding of sum of the past... so plz dont talk crap plz MIL without looking at both angles =P
- From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.217)
on: Wed Dec 17 13:14:23 EST 2003
Piratheepan,
It is not the question of not understanding your viewpoint, but it is just that u failed to recognise something - that Rajni has talent. That is a totally wrong statement, even if u say that it was in your opinion. I mean that he couldn't have survived in the industry with absolutely nothing. This is what u fail to acknowledge.
How is he at fault if other people act for 10 years and don't get a title. It is upto the actor to capture the people and that is what earns him fame. Rajni used his stuff to get to where he is today and there can't be any denying that. And u may need to note that in his first 10 years, he definitely was doing a variety of roles. You asked for variety in characters and u have got it there. As I mentioned on numerous occasions, it is just his current image that has made him get into a shell.
In counter...
1) Maniratnam can extract something only out of people who have some talent. He can't make a rock emote! And there are numerous other films which have portrayed this, but I don't know how young you really are to have not noticed those things. You said u weren't impressed, but I am not sure as to how many you actually saw.
2) Rajni getting himself involved in charitable activities is by no means new. He has been doing things right from the time Madhavan was a little baby! There are not many people who come forward to do such acts. You think Kamal and Vikram are pretty poor? Kamal encourages his fans to do good to people, accepted, but how much money does he spend out of his pocket? Kamal would nearly be as rich as Rajni. Whatever said, people need to have the heart for such things and this is something that not everybody has.
3) So u know now that mass movies need Rajni touch. Accepted? What Rajni needs at present is a mass movie. Nobody except a Raghavendra out of him as his last movie. And u leave alone other actors who ape Rajni but go about blaming Rajni for doing what he started?
4) You mean to say that an actor can go against his will just to gain poularity? Isn't that something selfish? Why do u want to use someone else to boost your image. If you have talent, come up with it. Why at all bother about Rajni? That doesnt seem to be the case. Everybody attempts at filling up the void created by Rajni after his departure, not realising that it is impossible. It is like MGR is MGR and Rajni is Rajni. Others have to create their own style.
5) Using that for political reasons is impossible. He is already too popular for his image to get boosted further. It wouldnt matter if at all he were to contest in the elections.
"and i also see it as a realization of his part that he should educate his fans and teach them that they should like others too."
Who does this?!
- From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.217)
on: Wed Dec 17 13:17:21 EST 2003
and yeah...Point 1 doesnt suggest that I am a thaatha or watv ... i wud perhaps be younger than u! :-)
me goingius to de bedius! ... catchius guysius de tommore! :-)
- From: Piratheepan (@ 68.89.40.204)
on: Wed Dec 17 13:48:20 EST 2003
C~P
im sick of writing in this thread for the moment next time i get realli bored ill give my opinions on wat u said, but i think both of us dont quite get each others views which is why we have gone on so long hehe.cuz our questions & answers leave questions out for both us.
oh this d only thing i had to say before i just foregt my lil joke.abt ur madhavan and rajini bit lol haha madhavan is still a baby to thaatha rajini=P
im 19 u?
- From: Bala. (@ 143.115.159.53)
on: Wed Dec 17 15:26:55 EST 2003
Piratheepan sounds like an Illiterate on Tamil Film History.So there is no way that u can make him understand what Super Stardom is and how Super Star got there.Vikram is a good actor.Thats it.Ajith and Surya are equally good as Vikram.I don't know how it would have been, if Vikram would have acted in Vaali.Days to come, when Surya will excel than Vikram.Oh Saamy broke the records of Padayappa..cool... Do u know how many theatres have been constructed since Padayappa released... and the statistics on area rights.You have to talk about the records by comparing the movies with the current release.If Super Star movie releases at this point , leave about Vikram no other actor in the south indian film industry can match to the record that its going to create.Its pretty evident to anyone.Who is Vikram? What is his value outside TamilNadu.His movies were bigtime flops in A.P and Karnataka.Whereas Movies like Petha Rayadu ran only for Super Star.With thalapathi's roaring success, that time C.M. of Karanataka, J.H.Patel banned relaease of Rajini movies in Karanataka on Festival days, as they feared that will affect the business of Kannada movies.Only actor, whose movies goes in out right in the other states is Super Star.Do u think all these for one such actor who don't have any talents.If you think so, u have some problems with basics.Baghyaraj who is considered as the best screenplay writer in India, once in his interview told that he built Kamal's character in Sigappu Rojakkal by the inspiration from Rajini's role in Gayathri.He also added Kamal did a lot of homework to give an unique performance from the version of Rajani's role in Gayathri.He concluded,"I'm proud to see two class actors top the Tamil Cine World and looking forward for a bright future for the industry with these guys performance".Do u think those legends just say for the sake of it.Piratheepan... everyone have their own views but your views are out of unawareness about the past.So try to learn the past and talk.Bcoz u stand in the arena surrounded by the intellects on Tamil Film History.
- From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6)
on: Wed Dec 17 15:57:51 EST 2003
Piratheepan
First of all i am not immature.. coz you dont research better.. when i said you dont know who RAJINI is, you could not research for that. Just coz i am die hard fan of RAJINI does not make me tell this. Your views dont have any point to talk about.. i seriously doubt u know anything about TN. We are not against your opinions, but u r making a fool out of urself by blabbering something.
If you dont want to welcome a RAJINI movie fine with me, coz it aint matter, RAJINI does not live in fantasy of one person.. but a majority..
THERE IS ONLY ONE SUPER-STAR, It will take years to build that image..
btw Your crap is not my treasure!! this forum is TAMIL MUSIC PAGE..(hopefully relating very much to TN FILMDOM).. so watv i have sed is true, which surely does not get into the little brain of yours.
- From: Piratheepan (@ 68.88.5.128)
on: Wed Dec 17 16:50:51 EST 2003
MIL
obviously my statement was over ur lil head the whole crap and treasure bit.n the point abt me not welcoming rajinis next movie.and seems u often contradict urself?ummm wat is all this nonsense?"this forum is TAMIL MUSIC PAGE..(hopefully relating very much to TN FILMDOM).. so watv i have sed is true," wat the hell do u think ive been talking abt hindhi movies?wat uve said is true?ur first line seems iffy u being mature?i have my doubts.
My last question to u is how am i making a fool outta myself?cuz i express my opinion?so normal is running around goin hail rajini hail rajini-no one else comment on this this is meant for MIL-u have no longer been worth my time and effort.
Bala sir
I understand ur comments and even if I go research the past im not gonna become a die hard fan of rajini, is all im saying.Im not denying his superstardom. Or his accomplishments. I just feel he's overrated i guess would be a word acceptable to use maybe to give you a better idea of wat im saying and where im comming from.Of all the movies ive seen of him including the old ones it doesnt give me the same impact as some other stars. but to tell u the truth i dont remember many of the titles of his older movies cuz i was wat 6 or so?lol...so could u give me sum more details of the movies u mentioned and ill see if i can get hold of em.Do u happen to kno the name of a rajini movie where he dies and goes to heaven but comes back to earth?an older one maybe 13 yrs or so ago i saw it when i was young and feel like watchin it again.
as far as the statistics is considered how would extra theaters help?i mean ppl will see regardless....and actually having less theaters would help a movie run longer.So Saamy being in the theaters so long with more theaters is a bigger deal then padaiyappa id think.iono thats how i see it but yes there are more aspects to it then just theater numbers.maybe if we're lucky two stars movies will come out d sametime.
Id say vikram is getting there and shouldnt be put in the same arena as surya and ajith.and ajith really fell of with anjeneya(omg worst movie ever)As for your comment abt vikram and his flops vs rajini...well there is more talent out there now then when rajinis movies ran all over d place...but i dunno abt the geography of india so those names realli dont do much for me but i get ur point.but isnt vikram being scouted out by other industry like bollywood...i kno rajini has gone there and his movies have flopped there.so....
anyways ive said a mouthful as it is but i enjoy ur comments Bala and hope for many more.
- From: vengayam (@ 12.40.40.194)
on: Thu Dec 18 18:52:06 EST 2003
Guys, the announcement for next Rajini's move is at last out. Rajini himself proudly released the name of his new movie in a fully-packed press meet. The movie is gonna be,
ENAKKU 60 UNAKKU 18.
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