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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: kannan (@ 209.185.189.241) on: Wed Apr 4 10:50:48 EDT 2001
  
  It is true that IR and SPB are good fans of RDB and infact SPB has told about this in an interview sometime back but I heard through a source that a song in the film named "Aanandha gummi" called "Oru kili orugudhu orimayil pazhagudhu" was orchestrated by RDB which IR had composed because he wanted to work for IR. I dont know how far this is true but I still thought it is worth mentioning here.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Apr 4 12:14:28 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  
  "Just as RDB (however inferior he may be to IR) cannot be brought into this discussion, ARR is out of bounds too."
  
  What's that supposed to mean?
  If you meant it quantitywise(only),I withdraw my question.
  
  Hari,
  
  Popularity and Talent:
  
  One could be most popular without being talented.
  One could be most talented without being popular.
  
  This doesn't mean at all that one could not be most talented and also most popular.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.234) on: Wed Apr 4 12:32:25 EDT 2001
  
  Trend, you never give up do you :-)
  
  OK, I need to modify my statement to read "Just as RDB (however inferior or superior he may be to IR) cannot be brought into this discussion, ARR is out of bounds too." - which is what I meant. I'm glad you asked for an explanation before assuming non-existant insults to ARR!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Wed Apr 4 12:43:41 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  
  Thanks for the clarification.COOL
  
  
• From: vin (@ 192.128.134.68) on: Wed Apr 4 14:44:20 EDT 2001
  
  Taken from sify.com. I'm sure ARR would love the LM award.
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  'Lataji's voice sounds so spiritual. She should only be given special songs. It is my way of paying respects to her,'' feels renowned music director A R Rahman about the country's melody queen and Bharat Ratna Lata Mangeshkar.
  
  Justifying his logic in asking the melody queen to sing only a bhajan
  in the upcoming Lagaan directed by Ashutosh Gowarikar for producer-actor Aamir Khan.
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• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Wed Apr 4 14:56:46 EDT 2001
  
  MS: :-)) thanks.
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 199.67.138.20) on: Wed Apr 4 15:05:47 EDT 2001
  
  MS, srinath
  I agree, It is not appropriate to compare RDB here, but this thread, what we are doing so far?.
  
  RDB is good MD, but he is getting more credit, than he deserves, IMHO. I have listened lot of RDB songs, I still feel 'O haseena wala' in teesri mangil is a great song, way ahead of that times.
  Anyhow, I dont want to digress anymore.
  
  LV.
  You said you are not going to respond, fine. That ends a whole stupid discussion, you are trying to make out here. I can see a desperation in your last thread, when you said, IR could never dream of composing few RDB songs you mentioned, and I can quote lot of songs Of IR, RDB would have never even to reproduce, even if he tried to copy.
  
  
  Regards
  e.hari
  
  
• From: hari (@ 129.116.226.162) on: Wed Apr 4 17:47:35 EDT 2001
  
  "One could be most popular without being talented. One could be most talented without being popular.
  
  This doesn't mean at all that one could not be most talented and also most popular."
  
  Well, I never ever suggested that. Please read LVs posting, my response was to that. he said -
  IF IR was as talented, he wud have got a fraction of the popularity.. blah blah.. which is junk, IMO.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Wed Apr 4 19:19:39 EDT 2001
  
  A slight digression ( referring to Vijay's post):
  
  By the time ARR started giving songs to Lata Mangeshkar, her voice was not spiritual but nothing more than a ritual in hindi songs :-) MDs gave/give her the songs because she was Lata :-) Talented and more melodious singers like Kavita Krishanmurthy, Alka yagnik,sadhana and a fresh breed of vibrant hindi singers must be given more chances in hindi than the fading voices of Lata, Asha in hindi, KJY and Janaki in Mallu/tamil. By singing all these songs they woudl just endanger the reputation they had built over years.
  
  Of course SPB still rules..recent "uLLam koLLai pOgudhe" is just awesome :-)
  
  
• From: GV (@ 64.228.136.178) on: Thu Apr 5 00:40:06 EDT 2001
  
  MS: SPB is much younger than KJY, Lata, Janaki and the others that you are comparing him with:-)))
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.38) on: Thu Apr 5 01:24:01 EDT 2001
  
  Dear srinath,
  
  I'm sorry but there's definitely one thing I forgot. I have heard IR's music in about 50 films, maybe that's too less compared to the 500 odd films /albums he's done. So you dont consider me qualified enough to comment on whether he is the greatest md or not. But how many songs of the other mds have YOU heard? Ask yourself this question,and you'll see that even YOU are not qualified to come to the conclusion as to who is the greatest.
  
  Its true that Lata has had a god-given voice. But the nuances, the expression , the spirituality, the range, flexibility and versatility are self-acquired. You dont know her struggle in perffecting her diction in various languages, the amount of practice she put in to perfect her breath control which is massive. The amount of 'riyaaz' done, and the quickness with which she is able to reproduce the fastest taans of ravi Shankar's sitar in terms of musical notations on the spot. Its no joke to remain the queen from the 1940's when she started to about 1995 (whereafter her charm has fully gone). And thats 55 years. As far as her voice cracking as early as 1990, I suggest you go see my earlier post and listen to her ghazal albums with Jagjit Singh, her album with Bhimsen Joshi, Lekin,Rudaali,Maachis,Heena and a private album of patriotic songs.
  
  As far as the 'vomit on the road' part goes, thats the only place for a third-rater like you, understand. I hope I am not unfortunate enough to meet an obscene-minded, narrow-minded and arrogant,insane person like you.
  
  AMEN FOREVER!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu Apr 5 01:43:17 EDT 2001
  
  GV:
  
  point noted :-)
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ 209.148.140.175) on: Thu Apr 5 02:03:31 EDT 2001
  
  Why not look at it from the point of symbolicism. Latha is definitely the most famous musician in India. From all corners. But IR isn't. Maybe in that sense we can accept about IR getting it. I mean, out of India, you won't find Latha so famous. Say with Tamils from outside of India. How many Malaysian and Srilankans know Latha more than PS. It won't do to look at something like worthiness because all records are broken one time or another. Just because you give medals in the name of a famous person does not mean that person hasn't been overtaken. Likewise is the case with Latha and IR. I am trying to be unbiased, for if I were to let my opinions play a role, then of course I wouldn't be able to figure out why so. But Latha is considered very big throughout India.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.233) on: Thu Apr 5 10:19:16 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  ROTFL :-)))) I hope this is your last 'last post' :-) Get a kerchief to wipe the froth off your mouth :-)
  
  
• From: L (@ 203.197.82.67) on: Thu Apr 5 10:27:48 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  
  No - I've changed my mind. Use the kerchief to clean the filthy matter that you've excreted here instead!!
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.233) on: Thu Apr 5 10:42:09 EDT 2001
  
  Aruvi:
  Lata Mangeshkar and IR are contemporaries, even though the overlap occured much after Lata's peak. Maybe they'll end up awarding her the Lata Mangeshkar award one day ;-))) Awarding this to IR is ridiculous. They could probably give it to up and coming singers to motivate them. They shouldn't give it to any MD in the first place - maybe a debut award for an MD, if at all. I am not at all saying that such an award should not have been instituted in the first place. It's just that awarding it to a person of IR's calibre shows short-sightedness and immense provinciality in assessing other people's achievements.
  
  LV:
  I KNEW IT :-) Another "excellent" point from a Lata fan :-) Let me take another guess...you've got one more "last post" coming...right? :-) Can't wait to see what else occupies the esteemed mind of a Hard Core Lata Fan :-))))
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Apr 5 12:27:11 EDT 2001
  
  LV: another flame here for you :-)) as i mentioned before lathA is (rather was) flawless. (as i write i am listening to latha's collection.) the one and only reason i don't latha's singing is that her songs lack jIvan (this is not a blasphemy nor a statement of an arrogant ignorant blah blah blah). imo, in light music, emotions take the prominent role and everything comes only third (there is no second when emotions is the first :-), thanks bAnA). i also know decent hindhi to appreciate the poesy of those good-old hindi songs (so please don't bring in the language barrier argument). the one album which she did really well was mira bhajans set to music by her brother hridhayanAth. besides that, i am yet to find one film song of latha's that moves me. all these are subjective and hence there is no argument here. this is the kind of argument you have been carrying on for so long; so let's leave it at that.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 144.92.164.198) on: Thu Apr 5 13:54:28 EDT 2001
  
  aruLaracan: listen to "megha chaaye adhi raat" from Sharmilee or "aap ki nazron ne samjha" - excellent expression.
  
  Dude- Lata isn't popular because of any fluke. Comparing with IR is not reasonable, but unwarranted criticsm is unwarranted too.
  
  
• From: Music fan (@ 63.75.49.120) on: Thu Apr 5 14:11:27 EDT 2001
  
  The fact that LM is still considered a potent force after 50 years while Raja has already been forgotten after a mere 15 years shows who is better.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Apr 5 14:51:46 EDT 2001
  
  
  "The fact that LM is still considered a potent force after 50 years while Raja has already been forgotten after a mere 15 years shows who is better."
  
  You should improve your math skills...2001-1976 = 25 and not 15..Actually, it's time to celebrate a silver jubilee for Raja. Let me try to throw some seeds without heaving Lata inside. To talk about Lata one should be a sincere perceiver of her sound. Whether Raja's music is forgotten or still alive fully depends on who and how one hears them. Many songs of Raja are musically ever green and not in the reach for many MDs. It is a big wonder that how Raja had come up rather easily with such perfect situation matching songs is a million dollar question? Raja created songs for the situations and others traverse in the opposite way. The fluency of Raja in amalgamating various instruments and peasing both your ears and mind is still a completely astounding factor. We have enjoyed his great music abilities all these years and first we must be thankful to the Almighty! I can feel your sarcasm even in loosing something extraordinary. With Raja keeping away from the scenario one can hear a lot hell of barkings around (Would compare with NY city traffic). Refresh your ears with Bharathi songs. Sit and listen..listen throgh your inner sense then you feel how much music lives and how much Raja in it..coz..a music, a music that has gone beyond your ear drums, that has gone still deeper can no easily be forgotten..... Take a deep breath!!
  
  
• From: Layman (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Apr 5 14:54:17 EDT 2001
  
  For argument's sake, let us say that a Swarup Kishen award is instituted for the best batsman. And let us say that Sachin is chosen for this award. Does it make sense?
  
  Give it to the best umpire, maybe.
  
  If the LM award was given to a singer, perhaps there was a justification - not going into the relative merits of LM and the award winner. But a LM (singer) award for a composer? Gimme a break!!!
  
  And when it comes to creativity, IR stands head-and-shoulders above LM.
  
  

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