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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: mahalaxmi (@ m12.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Tue Nov 24 07:27:34 EST 1998
  
  hi friends,
  can anyone please clarify whether
  margali poove(may madham) is indolam
  oruvan oruvan mudalali(muthu) is sindu bairavi
  
  what is the raga of these songs
  jana gana mana
  vande mataram(not arr's, the old version)
  neerarum kadal udutha(tamil thai praise)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Nov 24 10:03:56 EST 1998
  
  Dorairaj: SANKARA NADHASWARUBAHARA is in MADHYAMAVATHI, Omkara is in Sankarabarnam - I think they did it to confuse people. The other song with a Raga change of the original is DORAGUNA, which is a Thyagaraja Krithi set in BILAHARI, but in the Sankarabarnam film, it's sung in Kalyani.
  
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Nov 24 10:15:42 EST 1998
  
  Vasu: Jalakku is certainly in Chakravakam, I'm not too sure about Anandha Kuyilin, I didn't like the song much, so I didn't take close notice.....
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Nov 24 10:53:29 EST 1998
  
  Lakshmi: Correct on both counts....
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Nov 24 11:09:39 EST 1998
  
  Mahalaxmi:
  
  Margali poove is in Suddha Dhanyasi, with some parts in Hindolam, where ARR has used the Shruthi Bedham technique....hence, a confusing one to identify.
  
  Vande mataram - The Original was in DESH too, I believe.....
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Nov 24 11:26:31 EST 1998
  
  Ragapriyan: I'm a bit unsure, we need someone like SRIKANTH to help us. As far as I know, C Major in Western equals Sankarabarnam in Carnatic and Bilaawal in Hindustani, except the fact that the latter two have Paryogams and Gamakams which are exclusive to them, while C Major is a straight scale.
  
  In the song you speak about, if the M2 occurs, It may be MISHRA YAMAN, as that is basically Sankarabarnam, with the M2 occurring. If the song has a Kalyani sound to it, Mishra Yaman, is a little like it too. It is like a mix of Sankarabarnam and Kalyani. It is a Hindustani Ragam, rarely used in Carnatic Music.....I'd like to hear this song, is it available on the web? I may be able to give a definite comment then.
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Tue Nov 24 17:05:14 EST 1998
  
  Thanks Geetha for confo. Ive won 50% of the bet :).
  
  Mahalaxmi:
  I tried playing margali poove on the keyboard basing it on Hindolam. only diff. betn Hindolam & Sudhadhanyasi is the former uses M2 (s g2 m2 d1 n2 s), while SD uses Pa. its extremely pleasant to hear just by traversing the notes of hindolam. I could almost play the full song using hindolam notes itself (of course no gamakas, thats where i believe arr probably uses Pa-Da, or Ma-Pa shakes)
  
  to all:
  presently im hobbying "converting" songs into keyboard note equivalents, anybody willing same can open up.
  
  Cheers
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ spider-th064.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Nov 24 22:14:06 EST 1998
  
  Hi
  Im sorry i gave the wrong swaras for hindolam and sd. hindolam is sg2m1d1n2s, SD is sg2m1pn2s. they differ in Pa & D1 not as i stated in prev. post. just a slip.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Nov 24 22:40:09 EST 1998
  
  Mahalaxmi:
  
  Once I tried playing jana gaNa mana on Keyboard.
  It appears to use only the white keys and runs
  almost one full octave. So my guess is that it
  is in Shankarabharanam. If you are interested
  I can post the Keyboard notes for it here.
  
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Nov 24 23:35:59 EST 1998
  
  Geetha:
  
  I don't know if the song, yE shaam is available on the web.
  But you should be able to easily get an audio cassette containing
  songs from the movie, Katti Pathang from some audio store in the UK.
  The movie's songs continue to be popular since the 60's and even
  now. Apart from this wonderful song it also has excellent tunes such
  as pyaar dhiwaanaa hOthaa hai by Kishore and naa kOyi
  umang hai by Lata. The songs are worth listening a thousand times!
  
  For yE shaam, once the first swara is taken to be Pa (of the
  lower octave) and others set in relation to it, all swaras come
  in line with Shankarabharanam. There are no foreign swaras creeping
  in. Anyway I would be still be interested in knowing whether it is
  correct to call this shifted look as Shankarabharanam.
  
  I have one question about another song. Yesterday I was trying to
  trace the song, kungumapottin mangalam from the movie,
  Kudiyirundha Kovil. It is a beautiful song. It appears to me that
  much of the song revolves around m1, p, d1 and n1, with some occurences
  of g2 and S. The song's pallavi starts from p and ends in p. If this
  is the case, which raga should I classify this song in?
  
  (P.S. I am using the s r1 r2 g1 g2 m1 m2 p d1 d2 n1 n2 S
  notation. So watch out: what I call as g2 and n1, you may be used to
  calling them as g3 and n2.)
  
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Wed Nov 25 09:05:27 EST 1998
  
  Mahalaxmi:
  I tried too, but not fully, the jana gana mana anthem. im interested in the notes, can you pls post them ?
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02963.mayo.edu) on: Wed Nov 25 10:24:00 EST 1998
  
  Hi Ragapriyan
  
  I am not sure if you read my last note. Its Ok if you are not convinced but there is definitely a M2 in the last line of the anupallavi/charanam. Infact the beauty of this line is the use of M2. I am talking about Ye shaam... if you are wondering.
  
  
• From: mahalaxmi (@ 203.197.130.192) on: Wed Nov 25 10:33:09 EST 1998
  
  HI,
  geetha,vasu,ragapriyan,
  thanx for ur valuble
  information.i really benefitted from it.bye .
  
  have a nice day
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-ta081.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Nov 25 12:26:54 EST 1998
  
  Can anyone list out TFM songs based on Kapi ragam?
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-b-asy-4.rutgers.edu) on: Wed Nov 25 18:30:43 EST 1998
  
  songs that i know are based on kApi are :
  
  1. Hey, paadal ondru (from the movie "priya")
  
  2. idhu kuzhandhai pAdum thAlAttu (oru thalai rAgam)
  
  3. ada mApilla (from mApillai)
  
  4. kAdhal rojAve (from Roja)
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Nov 26 01:36:49 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  Yes, I did read your last posting about M2. But,
  as I mentioned in my first posting about the song
  (in which I gave the notes as far as I could trace)
  I did not trace fully till the end of the charanam.
  I will sit down with my keyboard and see where
  M2 occurs. Then I will get back with a comment
  on that.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Thu Nov 26 03:01:05 EST 1998
  
  Mahalaxmi & Vasu:
  
  Here are the notes for jana gaNa mana.
  Follow the Shankarabharanam notes (all white
  keys on the Keyboard.) Lower octave is denoted
  with a "-" and upper octave with a "+".
  
  jana.. sr gg gg
  adhi.. gg g..gg rgm
  bharat.. g..gg r..rr n-rs
  punjab.. s..pp p..p ppp..p mdp
  dravid.. m..mm m..mg rmg
  vindhya.. g..g gg..gr ppp mm
  uchchala.. g..gg rrr rn-rs
  tava.. gm pp pmg rmg
  gahe.. g..g.. rr rr n-rs
  Closing lines..
  jana.. pp pp p..pp
  p..pp mdp
  m..mm m..mg rmg
  jayahE.. nns+ ndn dpd
  sr gg gg rgm
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Fri Nov 27 01:02:41 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  I do not remember well the end part of the
  anupallavi/charanam of yE shaam. So I am
  trying to get the song recorded from somewhere.
  But I understand from what you say, that at the
  point where the anupallavi/charanam ends and
  the song gets back to the pallavi, the M2 occurs.
  Perhaps to have a smooth transition?
  
  Thanks for all your answers.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Fri Nov 27 06:00:50 EST 1998
  
  In the movie, Kavikkuyil, (MD: IR) Balamurali
  Krishna has sung the following song..
  aayiram kOdi kaalangaLaaga.
  
  Then, in the devotional album, Krishna Gaanam,
  (MD: MSV) there is this song...
  kOdhaiyin thiruppaavai
  
  I feel a lot of similarities between these two
  songs. By any chance, are they set in the same
  raga?
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-we064.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 27 07:36:11 EST 1998
  
  Saketh:
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02956.mayo.edu) on: Fri Nov 27 14:21:35 EST 1998
  
  i Ragapriyan Its good that you are trying to get the song recorded (its a wonderful song). I think the last line of the anupallavi/charanam has an M2 to give different
  feel ( a sort of freshness); but immediately the composer continues with Pa and while coming down is back on his M1 on the way to Sa. MD's frequently use this
  technique. Raja's favorite is N3/N2 usage; MSV numerous so difficult to pick out his favorite; ARR's favorite is G3/G2. This shifts are quite common in cinemusic.
  Infact some of the Hindustani ragas and a few carnatic ragas also have this prayoga.
  
  
• From: pee soo (@ semiramis.erlm.siemens.de) on: Sun Nov 29 23:22:55 EST 1998
  
  Can somebody please tell me the raaga of the following songs:
  
  *) 'kaNgaL engE... kaNdana.." a marvellous melody from the movie karNan.
  *) raahangaL pathinaaru, uruvaana varalaaRu from thillu mullu
  
  thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: vaishnavi (@ 1cust228.tnt48.chi5.da.uu.net) on: Mon Nov 30 00:38:42 EST 1998
  
  Hi every one!!
  
  I am very much interested in music. I regret not
  learning carnatic music during school years.
  I started to learn and I have notes and play piano a little bit, mostly self taught. It is clear when not use anthra kantharam when I play. but when it comes to listening I have no idea.
  I would like learn how to find ragas for songs...
  
  Does any one have any suggestions?
  Are there cassettes ? if so who?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.28.65) on: Mon Nov 30 02:02:07 EST 1998
  
  pee soo,
  iam not sure if 'kangal' is set in suddha dhanyaasi.
  
  

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